N.W.A. Straight Outta Compton

I just saw this... not bad. Not bad at all. I'm huge N.W.A. fan, so naturally I don't like that Ren, Albanian and Yella got the short end of the stick.
 
Bruce Malone said:
What was Spike's last great film? I don't think he's done anything really great since the 1990's.

He might be at risk for losing cred for his 90's films due to how bad the Oldboy remake was.
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Inside Man bro!
 
That film was not bad but it was one of his least Spike lee-ish films he's done.
 
Saw it last night and thought it was incredible. It truly lived up to its highest expectations. It will be a tragedy if it doesn't at least get nominated for Best Picture IMO. I don't know if I have much to say past what was already stated.

This is one of if-not the best depictions of "ghetto" suburbs that I've ever seen on film. Everyone in the film - both the good and bad - feels like a fully fleshed out person. That may sound like a strange thing to say, but I feel like most other film depictions of "ghetto people" come off as complete caricatures that can't process anything other than drugs, sex and rap music. Sometimes I even get the sense that certain writers are deliberately trying to portray blacks as people that have nothing common in whites even at the most basic human level. This doesn't have that. While Gary Gray does send the point across that the group comes from a culture that a suburban middle-class white kid wouldn't understand, he also manages to make them very relatable. I could see a part of myself and of my group of friends in the members of the NWA and I'm sure most of the viewers felt the same.

I've heard some people say that it portrays the group in a cleaner light than in reality but I don't think that's true. Dr. Dre's situation notwithstanding.

MC Ren unfortunately got the short end of the stick. Obviously Yella and Ren wouldn't have as big of a role as the other three, and not everyone will agree with me but I think the idea made sense for a biopic. It would be like doing a Beatles film where Paul and John aren't at the forefront. Yella however was a lot more memorable and had presence within the group (and a more charismatic actor), but Ren came off as a token fifth member for most of the film. It's understandable why he expressed disappointment in that even if he genuinely liked the film. Also I don't think there was any mention of Arabian Prince.
 
Ren kinda came off as the big, angry guy. He would pop off a smart ass comment now and then but he seemed like the muscle of the ensemble. He was a good ass writer, but it was always just implied. Easy was the leader, Cube was the disgruntled lancer, Dre was the smart guy and second in command, Yella was the fun loving womanizer.
 
Saw this over the weekend and it's excellent. All of the performances were really strong. Suge Knight scared the hell out of me. I hope this film is up for some awards when Oscar time rolls around because it deserves some love.
 
A big problem that I've noticed in biopics is the tendency to "sanitize" there subjects. They want to emphasize the "genius" of the person, or their positive qualities. But they tend to be reluctant to get into some of the more negative stuff. I feel that if you really want to do a proper "biopic," you need to show the good AND the bad.

Like it or not, the Dee Barnes incident is a famous part of Dre's life. And to not include it feels, wrong. And I find Gray's justifications, unconvincing at best and disingenuous at worst.
 
The only way to do a truly unbiased biopic is if the person is dead or if they have no involvement whatsover, like Zuckerberg and Social Network. Fincher and Sorkin made him out to be just a horrible individual.
 
Well from what I understand that film was based off of a book by two guys who had a grudge against Zuckerberg. So I question how accurate it is as well, just in reverse. I tend to hold Patton up as a really good example of how to do a balanced biopic. It shows his genius and charisma, but doesn't gloss over his flaws either.

Speaking of which, not including the Dee Barnes assault is the equivalent of the people who made Patton going "that whole slapping a solider incident, it's not important enough to include or even reference. Oh and neither was his tendency to shoot his mouth off at the worst possible times."
 
Nah I think the Dee Barnes thing is worse than that.

It would be like making a Beatles biopic and not including that Lennon was kinda an a*****e
 
Loki882 said:
Well from what I understand that film was based off of a book by two guys who had a grudge against Zuckerberg. So I question how accurate it is as well, just in reverse. I tend to hold Patton up as a really good example of how to do a balanced biopic. It shows his genius and charisma, but doesn't gloss over his flaws either.

Speaking of which, not including the Dee Barnes assault is the equivalent of the people who made Patton going "that whole slapping a solider incident, it's not important enough to include or even reference. Oh and neither was his tendency to shoot his mouth off at the worst possible times."
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It isn't accurate at all. They even reference that in the movie that most of what we saw most likely isn't true. The basis of the movie is that most of the story is told through deposition aka people's points of view. In the end, Rashida Jones' character says that 95% of what was said is most likely perjury.

Also, Mark Zuckerberg didn't create Facebook because his girlfriend broke up with him. He's had the same girlfriend (fiance now) since before he started Facebook.

And Patton wasn't completely true either. They left out Patton's anti-semitism for the most part.

Blackman said:
Nah I think the Dee Barnes thing is worse than that.

It would be like making a Beatles biopic and not including that Lennon was kinda an a*****e
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Kinda? Lennon was a huge a*****e who used to beat his wives and children. His son hated him for the longest time. :funny:

One of my problems with Straight Outta Compton is more because we know how they actually were. They were just fun guys who liked to fool around. They were also a*****es too and they underplayed that fact. They're not evil or anything, but they were people who made mistakes and did a lot of bad s**t too. Any time they did some time of crazy s**t the movie tries to justify it.

I still liked the movie, because I accepted that biopics tend to whitewash people's lives and it's more about the idea than getting the facts.
 
Basically nothing that happened to them was their fault, and they made sure to stress that anytime the cops rolled up on them it was out of pure malice. Which is more than likely accurate, but I'm sure they played up the drama.
 
The cop part I'm not doubting at all. Racism involving police officers has always been problem in areas like LA. I'm doubting more of the fact that they had them doing nothing wrong at all.

During the scene where Dre saw dogfighting happening, I couldn't help but think in real life Dre actually gambled in those fights (I don't know if he actually did but I think that scene went differently in real life).
 
terry78 said:
The only way to do a truly unbiased biopic is if the person is dead or if they have no involvement whatsover, like Zuckerberg and Social Network. Fincher and Sorkin made him out to be just a horrible individual.
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Also if the family/estate aren't so controlling.
 
Contrary to popular beliefs, Dre was the only one in the group to ever have a criminal record. The rest never got in trouble with the law besides the incident in Detroit (which was completely unjustified to begin with).
 
"Ray" is a good example of a biopic that shows both the genius and flawed sides of its subject...

Still haven't seen this. Hoping to get a window some time this week.
 
Just saw this. Pretty good. Got the feels a few times and I'm so far outside of NWA's fan base that it ain't even funny. But Gray's a good director as I liked all the Friday comedies.

8/10
 
Parker Wayne said:
It isn't accurate at all. They even reference that in the movie that most of what we saw most likely isn't true. The basis of the movie is that most of the story is told through deposition aka people's points of view. In the end, Rashida Jones' character says that 95% of what was said is most likely perjury.

Also, Mark Zuckerberg didn't create Facebook because his girlfriend broke up with him. He's had the same girlfriend (fiance now) since before he started Facebook.

And Patton wasn't completely true either. They left out Patton's anti-semitism for the most part.



Kinda? Lennon was a huge a*****e who used to beat his wives and children. His son hated him for the longest time. :funny:

One of my problems with Straight Outta Compton is more because we know how they actually were. They were just fun guys who liked to fool around. They were also a*****es too and they underplayed that fact. They're not evil or anything, but they were people who made mistakes and did a lot of bad s**t too. Any time they did some time of crazy s**t the movie tries to justify it.

I still liked the movie, because I accepted that biopics tend to whitewash people's lives and it's more about the idea than getting the facts.
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I didn't say that the movie was perfect (it wasn't) in that regard. Merely that it was better than most.
 
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Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, MC Ren and DJ Yella of N.W.A photographed on July 15, 2015 at Milk Studios in Los Angeles.
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In the wake of the release of the N.W.A biopic Straight Outta Compton, the iconic rap group’s music takes over Billboard charts.
On the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart dated Sept. 5, N.W.A notches its first top 40 hit, as “Straight Outta Compton” debuts at No. 38 (the survey's highest debut of the week). It’s not only the first top 40 hit for the act, but its first Hot 100 entry ever. Although first released in 1988, “Compton” is allowed to enter this week's Hot 100, as older songs are eligible to chart if ranking in the top 50 and showing notable gains in sales, streaming and/or airplay.
The bow is spurred by publicity generated by the hit film of the same name, which bowed in theaters on Aug. 14 and has earned $111.1 million at the U.S. and Canada box office through Aug. 23. The song sold 35,000 downloads in the week ending Aug. 20 (up 127 percent compared to the previous week) and tallied 5.7 million domestic streams (up 123 percent), according to Nielsen Music.
The track also debuts at No. 7 on Rap Streaming Songs, No. 9 on Hot Rap Songs, No. 11 on R&B/Hip-Hop Streaming Songs, No. 13 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and No. 20 on the overall Streaming Songs chart.
On Hot Rap Songs and Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, N.W.A also collects a debut with “F**k Tha Police” (also released in 1988), which bows at Nos. 20 and 25 on the lists, respectively.
N.W.A member Eazy-E also scores his third Hot 100 hit, as “Boyz-N-The-Hood” (from 1987) debuts at No. 50. It also launches at No. 14 on Hot Rap Songs and No. 18 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. It immediately becomes Eazy’s highest-charting single on the latter tally, surpassing the No. 30 peak of “Just Tah Let U Know” in 1995.
In terms of albums, N.W.A-related titles occupy 10 slots on the Billboard 200 chart, led by the group’s Dr. Dre at No. 3 with his new set Compton. Right behind him at No. 4 is N.W.A’s own Straight Outta Compton, which flies 30-4 (a new peak).
Eazy-E’s Eazy-Duz-It reenters at No. 32, Dr. Dre’s The Chronic rises 75-38, Dre’sDr. Dre — 2001 moves 62-55, N.W.A’s Greatest Hits returns at No. 93, the group’sIce Cube reenters at No. 99 with Death Certificate and at No. 118 with Greatest Hits, N.W.A’s The Best of N.W.A: The Strength of Street Knowledge also climbs back on at No. 119. Ice Cube’s 1990 album Amerikkka’s Most Wanted rounds out the N.W.A parade at No. 150, as it returns to the tally.
In total for the week ending Aug. 20, N.W.A’s album sales grew 234 percent to 47,000, while its song downloads soared 208 percent to 95,000. In terms of streams, the group collected 14.6 million clicks for the week (up 114 percent).
 
Blackman said:
So they might be making a spiritual sequel about the rise of Death Row...how ever none of the actors wil reprise their roles. I think that's freaking stupid but we'll see if this makes any headway
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/08/straight-outta-compton-sequel-daz-dillinger
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ShadowBoxer said:
If they do a Tupac movie they should cast the guy that played him here. Many people said they got chills or thought it was stock footage of the real Tupac.
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terry78 said:
http://hiphopdx.com/news/id.35171/t...e-working-with-john-singleton-on-tupac-biopic

He may be doing a biopic with Singleton. A few other sites have mentioned it but it's rumor right now.
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If these movies ever come to past (which I hope they do) then I hope it is not a water downed change the history type of thing like this movie. I hope for the Death Row movie they show the real falling out between Dre, Snoop and Pac where they felt disrespected that Dre wasn't really there for Snoop during his murder case and for Pac while I am a huge Tupac fan I hope they don't portray him as a saint t but show his flaws and troubles as well. What I would also like to see addressed is the rumors of if Pac did want off the Row or not. However for a Pac movie I hope they finally make it clear that Pac didn't rape that woman (who even admitted he didn't rape her) but that his friends did. However I don't ever see a movie truly doing them Justice like Walk The Line or Ray because Dre doesn't want to be shown like that nor does Snoop.
 
I am saddened that nobody appears to be clamoring for a biopic depicting the creative tensions between Yanni and John Tesh in the cutthroat new age music industry.
 
_Superman_ said:
If these movies ever come to past (which I hope they do) then I hope it is not a water downed change the history type of thing like this movie. I hope for the Death Row movie they show the real falling out between Dre, Snoop and Pac where they felt disrespected that Dre wasn't really there for Snoop during his murder case and for Pac while I am a huge Tupac fan I hope they don't portray him as a saint t but show his flaws and troubles as well. What I would also like to see addressed is the rumors of if Pac did want off the Row or not. However for a Pac movie I hope they finally make it clear that Pac didn't rape that woman (who even admitted he didn't rape her) but that his friends did. However I don't ever see a movie truly doing them Justice like Walk The Line or Ray because Dre doesn't want to be shown like that nor does Snoop.
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Doing a Tupac movie I think it's nigh impossible to show him in a completely positive light. He was really on some wild s*** his last few years/when he was on Death Row. I mean he really did a 180 from what he primarily was about before prison.
Paranoia, bad influences, etc. will do that to ya...
 
Blackman said:
Doing a Tupac movie I think it's nigh impossible to show him in a completely positive light. He was really on some wild s*** his last few years/when he was on Death Row. I mean he really did a 180 from what he primarily was about before prison.
Paranoia, bad influences, etc. will do that to ya...
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Agreed. Although I did like his later stuff. I agree with what you're saying and knowing his mom she'll try to make it seem like Suge forced him into all of that but really if you look at how he was acting after he got shot and went to jail you could really see the change in him. I was 15 when he died but will always remember how influenceall he was. Which is why I always says hip hop is in very bad shape since the 90's early 00.
 
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