Name some completely "original" films.

Just about everything by Quentin Tarantino

not really, his films are nearly always a mishmash of homages to other films, the end result is something new but by their very nature his films are not that original.

Resevoir dogs i would probably agree with you on though
 
You know I think spider-man was a very original idea. not the movie but the comic book. before him superheroes had all the luck. good looking, idolized, gets the girl, and superpowerful.

spider-man was a nerdy teenager who got picked on. he was dirt poor. the city hated him. his alter ego inteerferred with his personal life dramatically. webslinging was a very original idea.

Extremely original. but then again he was still a superhero and superheroes had been done before. you can be influenced without ripping off somebody else's work, and the way many here have talked about Avatar, saying Cameron should be sued for plagarism, is just kind of one big WTF?
 
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This is truly a film unlike any I've seen before, and I haven't seen anything quite like it since.
 
Have you seen any of the films I've named? How do you define originality?
I'm not the person you asked, but I did find it odd that you said "you don't have to look that far" and then you listed a bunch of movies I never even heard of.

but you do ask a good question. I think jediangel gave a pretty good definition, and if a movie meets that standard than it can be considered original. That doesn't mean some movies can't be even more original than others, but unless it's a rip off, then people shouldn't be labeling something as unoriginal.

But how do you define originality? Without saying "hasn't been done before" because you could say that about almost every movie, even remakes.



edit... I think Beatlejuice is a very original movie, but one could argue "it's about ghosts and ghouls haunting a house and it's been done before" It still had a lot of originality to it just like avatar. I think BJ was probably the first movie that humanized the ghosts in such a down to earth way, and the villain was pretty cool too.

Yes forced relocation has been done before in history, and a person defecting to the other side has been done before. But there has never been a movie where humans forced the relocation of extra terrestrials. That's why it is unfair to make it sound like some kind of rip off.
 
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This is truly a film unlike any I've seen before, and I haven't seen anything quite like it since.
Blair witch project meets the Wonder Years meets Mtv reality tv where everybody argues all the time and gets drunk in the pool.
 
Blair witch project meets the Wonder Years meets Mtv reality tv where everybody argues all the time and gets drunk in the pool.
That's about as far off as you can possibly get. :huh:
 
well the way the camera was used has been done. it appears to have that "back in the old days vibe" and it's got mtv reality tv show written all over it. why should I care what these people are arguing about? that's how I felt watching that trailer and that's how I felt watching mtv.

I'm not saying it's a bad movie. I haven't seen it. But I'm saying we could probably nitpick the hell out of that and call it unoriginal just like you did for avatar. the preview already provided a lot of obvious influence.
 
But you're wrong about the "obvious influence". It wouldn't be nitpicking to say that "Avatar" shares the same basic story of "A Man Called Horse", "Dances With Wolves", and "The Last Samurai" because it does. It's not the exact same story of course, but they all share the same basic premise. "Tarnation" is a documentary assembled over the course of Jonathan Cauoette's lifetime using home video footage that he shot as a way of coping with his disturbing circumstances and the mental illness of his mother. He edited it using a Mac, spliced it in with footage from old films, and constructed it basically as a therapeutic exercise. It's not fiction.

It would help if you would watch the film before making such judgments.
 
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Tarnation is a documentary right?

Thought the OP meant original narrative films.

Although Walking Life is quite excellent and a pretty good example from your list of an original movie.
 
Tarnation is a documentary right?

Thought the OP meant original narrative films.

Although Walking Life is quite excellent and a pretty good example from your list of an original movie.
Tarnation is indeed a documentary, but I've never seen any film quite like it, documentary or otherwise. If we're talking pure originality and not just originality of narrative, Tarnation is worth mentioning. If the OP really did mean strictly narrative films then I guess take out Tarnation, a few Guy Maddin films, and Waltz With Bashir.

But yes, Waking Life definitely fits.
 
But you're wrong about the "obvious influence". It wouldn't be nitpicking to say that "Avatar" shares the same basic story of "A Man Called Horse", "Dances With Wolves", and "The Last Samurai" because it does. It's not the exact same story of course, but they all share the same basic premise.
so does that mean those movies were unoriginal as well? the only simmilariti with last samurai is a person falling in love with another culture. the samurai were criminals who wanted to keep Japan from entering the modern age. They had a beautiful culture, but they weren't really victims like the Indians or the Navi.

Having a few simmilarities and being a complete rip off aren't the same.


"Tarnation" is a documentary assembled over the course of Jonathan Cauoette's lifetime using home video footage that he shot as a way of coping with his disturbing circumstances and the mental illness of his mother. He edited it using a Mac, spliced it in with footage from old films, and constructed it basically as a therapeutic exercise. It's not fiction.

It would help if you would watch the film before making such judgments.
yes it would, but the description you just gave make it sound completely unoriginal. he didn't invent a new story. he just filmed his life. how does that count as original? that would be like me telling you what happend the other day and calling it my brand new original story. It's not a brand new story if it just happened the other day.

And really the whole reality tv is about as unoriginal as you can get. It's all my mom has been watching for the last 15 years. it's so freaking old and boring. It's been milked for all it's worth. And then splicing it with other people's movies? How is using film from somebody else's movie original?

You just made this movie sound like the most unoriginal movie of all time.
 
Cloverfield.
Blair Witch Project
Lucky Number Sleven
District 9
9
Toy story (already mentioned, but worth mentioning because it was the first of its kind)
Avatar simply for it's massive scale and scope and techonology....



Also, whoever said the LotR were just copying ideas is ****ing roflworthy. You realize that JR tolkien, essentially, created all high fantasy in his works, right? Dwarves, Elves, Hobbits, treants, all kinds of things.
 
so does that mean those movies were unoriginal as well? the only simmilariti with last samurai is a person falling in love with another culture. the samurai were criminals who wanted to keep Japan from entering the modern age. They had a beautiful culture, but they weren't really victims like the Indians or the Navi.

Having a few simmilarities and being a complete rip off aren't the same.
Did you miss the part where I said that they're not the same exact story? I said they share the same basic premise because they do: A white soldier in a foreign land comes in contact with an indigenous culture, adopts it as his own (or "goes native"), and then helps that culture retaliate against the white people who are encroaching on them. And yes, "Dances With Wolves" counts because the native tribes were not a part of his homeland. That is the basic premise that they all share. Of course the specifics are different, but I conceded to that in my original statement. I also said nothing about whether or not the movies themselves were original. You said I was nitpicking and I responded by saying that they all shared the same basic premise, which is not nitpicking, it's fact. I said nothing about their originality or lack thereof.



yes it would, but the description you just gave make it sound completely unoriginal. he didn't invent a new story. he just filmed his life. how does that count as original? that would be like me telling you what happend the other day and calling it my brand new original story. It's not a brand new story if it just happened the other day.

And really the whole reality tv is about as unoriginal as you can get. It's all my mom has been watching for the last 15 years. it's so freaking old and boring. It's been milked for all it's worth. And then splicing it with other people's movies? How is using film from somebody else's movie original?

You just made this movie sound like the most unoriginal movie of all time.
What the hell does reality television have to do with anything? Since you're clearly not reading (or understanding) what I'm writing, would it help if I let the always eloquent Roger Ebert explain the film to you?

" 'Tarnation' is the record of that pain, and a journal about the way [Jonathan Caouette] dealt with it -- first as a kid, now as the director of this film, made in his early 30s. It is a remarkable film, immediate, urgent, angry, poetic and stubbornly hopeful. It has been constructed from the materials of a lifetime: Old home movies, answering machine tapes, letters and telegrams, photographs, clippings, new video footage, recent interviews and printed titles that summarize and explain Jonathan's life. "These fragments I have shored against my ruins," T.S. Eliot wrote in "The Waste Land," and Caouette does the same thing.

His film tells the story of a boy growing up gay in Houston and trying to deal with a schizophrenic mother. He had a horrible childhood. By the time he was 6, his father had left the scene, he had been abused in foster homes, and he traveled with his mother to Chicago, where he witnessed her being raped. Eventually they both lived in Houston with her parents, Adolph and Rosemary Davis, who had problems of their own.

Caouette dealt with these experiences by stepping outside himself and playing roles. He got a video camera and began to dress up and film himself playing characters whose problems were not unlike his own. In a sense, that's when he began making "Tarnation"; we see him at 11, dressed as a woman, performing an extraordinary monologue of madness and obsession.

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The method of the film is crucial to its success. "Tarnation" is famous for having been made for $218 on a Macintosh and edited with the free iMovie software that came with the computer. Of course hundreds of thousands were later spent to clear music rights, improve the soundtrack and make a theatrical print (which was invited to play at Cannes). Caouette's use of iMovie is virtuoso, with overlapping wipes, dissolves, saturation, split screens, multiple panes, graphics, and complex montages. There is a danger with such programs that filmmakers will use every bell and whistle just because it is available, but "Tarnation" uses its jagged style without abusing it.


Caouette's technique would be irrelevant if his film did not deliver so directly on an emotional level. We get an immediate, visceral sense of the unhappiness of Renee and young Jonathan. We see the beautiful young girl fade into a tortured adult. We see Jonathan not only raising himself, but essentially inventing himself. I asked him once if he had decided he didn't like the character life had assigned for him to play, and simply created a different character, and became that character. 'I think that's about what happened,' he said.


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Jonathan Caouette not only experienced his life, but recorded his experience, and his footage of himself as a child says what he needs to say more eloquently than any actor could portray it or any writer could describe it."

It would help if you would bother to read the whole thing closely, because you're clearly not doing that with my posts.

If you can't understand the originality of Tarnation's technique, intent, and content, then I question the depth of your overall understanding of film making and art in general.

Also, it's spelled "similarities". If you don't know how a word is spelled you can either look it up since you're already on the internet, or you can just use a different word.
 
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Gladiator, Toy Story, Harry Potter, the One, Lagaan, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham, Inglorious Basterds, Memento, the Butterfly Effect, The Matrix. Shalll I go on? And for those of you saying Avatar is original I must say you are one of the people that have tried to deny any flaws to the film. The main story has been done so many times. You want a Disney example? Go watch Pochahontis. And didn't the sountrack seem familiar? Go listen to the soundtrack to Enemy at the Gates and Troy.
 
Please don't bring extremist fanboyism to the General Movies forum. That's what the Bat forums are for.
 
That doesn't make it original. It's a vampire movie. Vampires have been in movies and stories for centuries. That's a horrible example. Excellent movie. But a horrible example. It doesn't get much more unoriginal than that.

Out of all the movies I listed, that was the one I was not sure of posting, but not for the reasons you state.
The thing is, I've come across many people whos jaws dropped at the switchover point while watching that movie, like they had never had their expectations pulled out from under them like that before.
I'm not a horror expert, so I don't know of any other movie that went so far off into a completely different tangent as that movie, it did switch genres, and did so successfully.
edit: and for me, that was somewhat original.
 
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although based on chris van alsburg's (short) book, would jumanji be considered an original film? it took his book, and expanded upon it..
 
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And didn't the sountrack seem familiar? Go listen to the soundtrack to Enemy at the Gates and Troy.

not to cut in, but you listen to any film score by james horner, you'll hear music from before. Horner (and yes, I'm a fan of his) plagiarizes himself like no other.
 
Primer is the first movie that comes to mind when it comes to originality. Every tech geek should watch it. :up:
 
Hell, that's true for almost any composer. Any good composer has a distinctive sound and style that should be instantly recognizable.
 
Hell, that's true for almost any composer. Any good composer has a distinctive sound and style that should be instantly recognizable.

true.

Zimmer has Synths
Williams has rousing action cues
Young has choirs and ominus themes
Elfman has zany cues
Horner copies himself (that's not a bad thing either, love his Honey, I shrunk... score)
 
True. Williams has those horns, Elfman with the female or child-like chorus, Horner with the trumpets and chorus, Zimmer with the drums and electrical like sounds with orchestra, etc.
 

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