Name some completely "original" films.

[david icke]

This is the worst thread on all of SHH. Any movie that gets mentioned someone finds something thats vaguely similar to another movie and claims "its unoriginal".

I did a 12 page paper on Tolkien, his works, and his history/theology/beliefs. While he certainly took ideas from various religions, myths and tales, he actually SHAPED them into what they are now. They don't call him the Godfather of High Fantasy for nothing.

I mean, someone says Waterworld - which is a pretty good shot at naming an original movie, and they counter with "WELL ITS MAD MAX IF HE LEFT THE WATER ON!"

Are you ****ing stupid? I could relate any movie to any other movie doing something like this and claim that none are original, but I don't want to look like a jackass.

Dude/Dudette, I don't care if you tattooed your 'thesis' on JRR tolkien on JRRTolkien's buttcheeks, you have posted the dumbest thing so far in this thread, so I wouldn't be throwing out the word 'stupid' so casually.

There is f all wrong with discussing how original or not other peopel suggstions are, and I fail to see why a comparison of Waterworld to Mad Max is stupid.
It is the same as Mad Max, just with added water. Post Apocalyptic, with folk fighting and scavenging for supplies, with a lone warrior type at the centre, a reluctant hero type who nevertheless bonds with some folk.

What is stupid is posting up that Tolkien invented elves and dwarves. I don't care what you posted up later in explanation, but what you posted up initially was flat out wrong and dumb.

and anyway, what Tolkien wanted to do, and did, was create a British fantasy story, as he felt there had not been one since Beowulf. A British one, I shall stress, in case you miss the point. This was brought up and discussed on a UK south Bank show doc that was broadcast when Fellowship was released. I hope that was in your 'paper'.

If you cannot see the blatant similarities between Mad Max and Waterworld once it has been pointed out, I am truly flabbergasted.

edit: I just looked at the last page again and saw that your own contribution of what you thought was an original movie was 'Dude where's my car?', ok, I get where you're coming from now, holy cheesus.

 

[SouLeSS]

You missed the key word - "Essentially" in my post saying where he created elves/dwarves/etc. I know, reading is hard, it's ok. However, fact of the matter is, he IS considered the Grandfather of ALL HIGH FANTASY. He took ideas from mythology/theology/other olgies, and defined them in a way that no one ever had, or ever has since.

And just because it's a post apocalyptic setting based on one lone hero doesn't mean that it isn't an original movie.

I mean, seriously, if you want to get down to it like that, there are absolutely zero completely original movies from any era, ever. So in that case, yes, it's a moronic thread that seems more like someone started just to go "hahahah youre wrong its not original and youre stupid for thinking it is!" whenever anyone brings a movie up.

 

[SouLeSS]

You missed the key word - "Essentially" in my post saying where he created elves/dwarves/etc. I know, reading is hard, it's ok. However, fact of the matter is, he IS considered the Grandfather of ALL HIGH FANTASY. He took ideas from mythology/theology/other olgies, and defined them in a way that no one ever had, or ever has since.

And just because it's a post apocalyptic setting based on one lone hero doesn't mean that it isn't an original movie.

I mean, seriously, if you want to get down to it like that, there are absolutely zero completely original movies from any era, ever. So in that case, yes, it's a moronic thread that seems more like someone started just to go "hahahah youre wrong its not original and youre stupid for thinking it is!" whenever anyone brings a movie up.

 

[:eek:]

Most of David Lynch's movies must surely be considered original.

 

[david icke]

You missed the key word - "Essentially" in my post saying where he created elves/dwarves/etc.

That is still a lot of bollocks, the way you put it anyway. There were plenty of elves used in folklore beforehand. Using the word 'created' is the bollocks part. You should have said 'His 'Interpretation' of these archetypes influenced fantasy stories to the point where TLOTR influence is inescapable in a lot of fantasy stories today.

I know, reading is hard, it's ok.

Reading is easy, writing is hard, as you may find out one day when you gain a little self awareness and look back over your 'papers'.

However, fact of the matter is, he IS considered the Grandfather of ALL HIGH FANTASY. He took ideas from mythology/theology/other olgies, and defined them in a way that no one ever had, or ever has since.

This is not what you said before, you should have said something like that in the first place.

And just because it's a post apocalyptic setting based on one lone hero doesn't mean that it isn't an original movie.

It has more similarities than that, nice way of skipping over the other ones I brought up just so you feel you have more of an argument.
What you have said could describe many movies, the postman, a man and his dog, etc, did I cite them? no, i cited Mad Max for the reasons you skipped over and did not quote.

I mean, seriously, if you want to get down to it like that, there are absolutely zero completely original movies from any era, ever. So in that case, yes, it's a moronic thread that seems more like someone started just to go "hahahah youre wrong its not original and youre stupid for thinking it is!" whenever anyone brings a movie up.

Why are you so angry? Dude where's your camomile?
There's an old saying, 'Every story has been told before, so if you tell one, tell it well.'
You're not the lone genius who knows everything that we mere mortals don't, I'm sure most folk on the thread are perfectly aware of this fact.
What folk are trying to do is bring up the stories that are most original in their telling, doing things in a way that made us feel we'd never seen that before.
What is moronic is coming in and calling the thread moronic, and therefore other people participating, and thinking you're the only one who knows it all.
It's just a bit of fun, bit of discussion, take it easy.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Most of David Lynch's movies must surely be considered original.

His movies are really based in traditional genres and styles, but he distorts them and plays with them to make the film his own. Wild At Heart is a mishmash of all sorts of old fashioned stories, and is essentially a road romance under all of the Lynchian nightmare stuff. And you could go on and on, but I do believe that Lynch's "originality" (which is neither a good nor bad thing, just as "unoriginal" is not necessarily a bad thing) comes in his technique and use of narrative.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

This is such a pathetic thread. The Avatar fans should just get over the fact that not everyone loved the movie.

 

[Sentinel X]

You missed the key word - "Essentially" in my post saying where he created elves/dwarves/etc. I know, reading is hard, it's ok. However, fact of the matter is, he IS considered the Grandfather of ALL HIGH FANTASY. He took ideas from mythology/theology/other olgies, and defined them in a way that no one ever had, or ever has since.

And just because it's a post apocalyptic setting based on one lone hero doesn't mean that it isn't an original movie.

I mean, seriously, if you want to get down to it like that, there are absolutely zero completely original movies from any era, ever. So in that case, yes, it's a moronic thread that seems more like someone started just to go "hahahah youre wrong its not original and youre stupid for thinking it is!" whenever anyone brings a movie up.

I don't think I even posted in this thread besides my opening post so what the **** are you talking about?

 

[Warhammer]

Pretty soon, y'all will be saying anything involving a good guy against a bad guy is not original.

 

[dark_b]

is Edward Scissorhandsan original movie? or Beetle Juice ?

 

[Hound55]

1. You're not going to find a "completely original" movie unless you go way back to the dawn of cinema and that was only because they didn't have standards set to adhere to... they were WRITING the standards.

2. People who belittle Avatar for being a Dances With Wolves/Pocahontas/Last Samurai, etc. knock-off... That in itself doesn't necessarily make it a BAD movie. I'm still yet to have seen it myself but something can be a complete remake of an existing piece and still be good... it just detracts from it a little because can often be seen as shallow and thinly veiled. I.E. would have to be absolutely ridiculously awesome in other facets to be considered the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Its already been established that the CGI is awesome (and is frankly the only reason why I plan to see the movie at all, because I've heard from too many people about how shallow other aspects of the film are... hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised) but that alone does not an awesome film make. There are tons of films which have been "a big leap forward in filmmaking technology" which aren't GREAT FILMS because that's all they brought to the table...

If this weren't the case the greatest films of all time list would be very VERY different...

 

[Darkness Falls]

Does American Beauty count ?

i'm not sure, i haven't seen many films like it

 

[X-Ray]

Being John Malkovich ?

 

[spider-neil]

Being John Malkovich ?

definately.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I think there have been stories about someone entering another person's mind for centuries.

Are there any original films out there? Depends on how you define originality. You can break any story down to one of three categories, Man Versus Man, Man Versus his enviroment, Man versus himself. Looking at it like that then there hasn't been an original story in a long, long time.

There can be original techiques and new technology, Tarnation and Toy Story are examples of this but the narrative's are nothing new.