Namor the Sub-Mariner

I thought for a brief minute that Namor was going to be the main bad guy in the Avengers movie, and that he was leading an army of Atlantians (plus some giant sea monsters) in an invasion of New York. And that got me thinking, the best way to introduce him (in my opinion) is to have him be not just a villain in a movie but the major villain who is threatening all of New York or America. By the end of the film he isn't killed or defeated but retreats back to Atlantis, and possibly seen as less of a bad guy by that point of the film. He could be the major villain in an Avengers movie or a FF movie, but I think that would be the best way to introduce him, then when he has his own solo movie staring him the audience will already see he isn't just another good guy or anti hero, but a character who is both good and bad.
 
I think the way SS was handled in FF2 is the way to go with Namor.
 
I think it would be a really interesting idea to present Namor as a bad guy who is bent on conquering New York. Silver Surfer was shown great but he was sort of acting under the control of Galactus. I think Namor should be shown to be running the show, acting of his own free will and ordering his soldiers to follow his orders. Then when they are stopped at the end of the film he should somehow change slightly to show that he isn't all bad.
I just think showing him to be, maybe not as dangerous as the surfer, but a mega level bad guy with evil plans would be good so that when he has his own movie he isn't just another cookie cutter good guy or an anti hero like Batman or Wolverine.
Imagine if, in the Avengers movie, the Skrulls were Atlantians, the giant dragon like thing chasing Iron Man was a giant sea creature, and Namor was leading them all in an attack on New York.
 
I prefer Namor introduced in FF than Avengers. I'd like a classic battle between the Torch and him (even though the classic battles were with the original Human Torch). Also, Namor creates more of a love triangle with Sue and Reed. Namor just belongs there more fittingly than appearing in the Avengers first.

Of course, if the Avengers are involved, then wouldn't Cap recognise him (provided that the Invaders existed in the 1940s and Namor was part of that team)?
 
I'd rather someone secretly causing conflict between the humans and Atlanteans like Krang.
 
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It would just be so interesting to me if America's 1st intro to the character in movies was as a villain. But not just a villain, a major threat that could destroy or take over all of New York or California. Then in his own film we isn't seen as just a hero.
Because of Atlantis I can see much of the movie done in green screen, like Sin City.
 
Avengers 2, Fantastic Four reboot sequel, Iron Man 3, whatever.

Well, not whatever. Not something small like versus Spider-Man. It should be against a huge force like the FF or the Avengers or SHIELD, something big to show how big his threat is.
 
FF would be good only if that franchise reverts to Marvel.

I don't want FOX to get rights to Namor.
 
The best approach for introducing Namor is an origin film like Donner's Superman. You get to know this guy & his world well & you see that he's torn regarding his identity. He's a bit like Ariel in The Little Mermaid, wanting to be more human than anything else - even though our world feels alien to him. At the end of the picture, something happens to him or his people at the hands of the Nazis or Red Army & he becomes disillusioned with mankind, slowly plotting an attack. You end the film with him sitting on his aquatic throne giving the order to invade & you show the invasion in an Avengers film. I get chills at the thought of a Submariner film like that. I've been aching for one for decades now. I was thrilled that Tim Olyphant & Steve Zahn had a convo about Namor comics in A Perfect Getaway. Marvel needs to hurry up & make this movie happen. Personally, I think Namor & his forces are the perfect threat for an Avengers 2.
 
The best approach for introducing Namor is an origin film like Donner's Superman. You get to know this guy & his world well & you see that he's torn regarding his identity. He's a bit like Ariel in The Little Mermaid, wanting to be more human than anything else - even though our world feels alien to him. At the end of the picture, something happens to him or his people at the hands of the Nazis or Red Army & he becomes disillusioned with mankind, slowly plotting an attack. You end the film with him sitting on his aquatic throne giving the order to invade & you show the invasion in an Avengers film. I get chills at the thought of a Submariner film like that. I've been aching for one for decades now. I was thrilled that Tim Olyphant & Steve Zahn had a convo about Namor comics in A Perfect Getaway. Marvel needs to hurry up & make this movie happen. Personally, I think Namor & his forces are the perfect threat for an Avengers 2.
Maybe he can 1st be seen as a bad guy in Avengers 2, and then spin off into a solo movie where we get his full origin. Sort of like rewinding the clock in his solo movie to show/explain his actions in the Avengers 2 movie. To show that he was a bad guy in that movie, but like Magneto, he had his reasons and he isn't completely bad. And show him more good in his solo.
 
If a Namor movie were to be made, how would they handle the concept of people actually talking underwater? It's easier in cartoons but in real life talking underwater is quite difficult.
 
I fear they have to get that movie rolling before Cameron decides to make Avatar 2: Conquest Of Pandora, or else people might perceive an underwater movie as a blatant rip-off
 
Has there been any recent news on the sequel?
 
not that I'm aware of. but I'm not really looking forward to it, not a fan of the first one, so I really have no idea other than it will probably be underwater, the visuals will be great and the story will be old and tired
 
If a Namor movie were to be made, how would they handle the concept of people actually talking underwater? It's easier in cartoons but in real life talking underwater is quite difficult.

First thing that came to mind was "telepathically" talking for Namor and the people of Atlantis.

Anyone else from the surface would probably have helmets and ear pieces and all that jazz for communications, I'd guess.
 
not that I'm aware of. but I'm not really looking forward to it, not a fan of the first one, so I really have no idea other than it will probably be underwater, the visuals will be great and the story will be old and tired

Ah ok. I personally loved the first film so a sequel taking place underwater intrigues me.
 
I'd rather see Namor appear in a Fantastic Four movie by Marvel Studios.

The Avengers plate is already full.
 
The problem with him being in Avengers 2 would be that his invasion of New York with Atlantians on flying ships, with giant sea monsters too, would seem too similar to Loki and his "skrulls". So the FF might be better because it would be different. But the FF is still with the studio that made the bad films so we would have to wait till the rights go back. Wouldn't want them to mess with Namor like they messed with Doom or Galactus.
But I would really like to see Namor 1st introduced to everyone as a major bad guy. Then he is given his own film to show he is a good guy. To me personally, if he was 1st introduced in his own film he would probably be shown as a good guy and then showing any dark side to him might seem less dark because everyone knows him as a good guy. If everyone knows him as a bad guy 1st it would seem that the darkness is part of his true character and not just him in a bad state of mind.
And he should be in a movie that would show his power. If he is in a movie against Spider-Man or even Iron Man I think it wouldn't show how much of a threat he is, just make him seem like a smaller threat like Iron Monger or Green Goblin. But if he was in a movie against the Avengers, FF, or SHIELD, that would be a lot of opposition to him.
 
The problem with him being in Avengers 2 would be that his invasion of New York with Atlantians on flying ships, with giant sea monsters too, would seem too similar to Loki and his "skrulls". So the FF might be better because it would be different. But the FF is still with the studio that made the bad films so we would have to wait till the rights go back. Wouldn't want them to mess with Namor like they messed with Doom or Galactus.
But I would really like to see Namor 1st introduced to everyone as a major bad guy. Then he is given his own film to show he is a good guy. To me personally, if he was 1st introduced in his own film he would probably be shown as a good guy and then showing any dark side to him might seem less dark because everyone knows him as a good guy. If everyone knows him as a bad guy 1st it would seem that the darkness is part of his true character and not just him in a bad state of mind.
And he should be in a movie that would show his power. If he is in a movie against Spider-Man or even Iron Man I think it wouldn't show how much of a threat he is, just make him seem like a smaller threat like Iron Monger or Green Goblin. But if he was in a movie against the Avengers, FF, or SHIELD, that would be a lot of opposition to him.

I prefer tragic villains.

The thought of a character who wanted to co-exist with his human counterparts, as alien as they felt to him, turning over a tragic event is far more dramatic than just introducing him as an already evil entity.

He wants to be human, he wants to leave the waterworld behind, but the people up above do him wrong, maybe harm his family, maybe murder his human love interest, etc...something tragic enough to turn his heart to stone and make him develop a pronounced hate for mankind.

I don't want him facing the Fantastic Four. He's too big for 'em. This is a guy that's invading Earth from within & that can surround dryland a hundred times faster & with more troops than Loki will in this year's Avengers film.

You need the world's mightiest heroes to take him down. You need Thor. You need Hulk. You need Giant-Man. You need The Avengers.

Then, when all is said and done and enough people & atlanteans have died, you can have Namor & the people of Earth come to a truce. He realizes its a war neither party can win & returns to the sea as neither ally nor foe.

The character that comes to mind when I think of adapting Namor for film is Walter. E. Kurtz from Apocalypse Now. He starts off a good man, trying to make a real difference, but loses faith in mankind & turns on his own during the war. At the end though, he comes to the realization that he himself became part of the problem through his wrath & urges Willard to kill him.

There's so much potential for this character. Hopefully they won't mess him up.
 
I am not saying he should be a completely evil character. More like a Magneto bad guy, has his reasons and you can see he isn't totally evil but his actions in the film should be more of a bad guy than a hero. Like you said he and his troops and sea monsters invade and attack and many humans and Atlantians die because of his actions. If he was completely evil it would be hard to show him as a hero in his own movie. But introducing him as a bad guy (even with a good reason) (with a good side somewhere) would show that he isn't a straight hero and he isn't a hero who was angry (when he shows his dark side in his own film). I just think it would help to show he isn't just this Spider-Man good guy who got angry, but this guy between good and evil.
In the old comics Stan Lee would have characters like Sue Storm say that "He comes from his own kingdom, his own culture, and has his own values. Who are we to judge him based on our own?"
I do like the Apocalypse Now idea, great way to look at him. He should be a tragic villain, show he isn't straight evil or straight good. He should have moments that show he has or had goodness in him. Then in his solo film expand on that goodness more to show that he is heroic.
It would be like if Magneto got his own film where he was saving the day, suddenly he seems more heroic but he still was a terrorist.
 
^Magneto's definitely a good character to compare him to. Any ideas on casting? I want a real actor to play him, not an unknown. There's too many emotions he needs to showcase. I also want someone really tall to give him that instant superhuman look. An uber-white, scaly-skinned Alexander Skarsgard with black hair would be a good fit I think.
 
If a Namor movie were to be made, how would they handle the concept of people actually talking underwater? It's easier in cartoons but in real life talking underwater is quite difficult.
The Atlanteans could have a language that evolved specifically to communicate under water. Something using hand gestures combined maybe with high pitched sounds similar to whales and dolphins.
 

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