Netflix's She-ra revival

[FVD]

Personally, the art design is below average, but the storytelling at least is decent. As a child watching a couple of the She-Ra episodes (I followed He-Man more), the dialogue in that series looking back was pretty hokey though. Such a shame the 2002-3 series never got to the point of introducing Adora and She-Ra (those were amazing designs) for Season 3, so I guess I'll see where this series leads. I will be apprehensive if He-Man ends up in this format, however...

One thing I am okay with is Adora being a teenager like how Adam was in the 2002 series. I'll get used to the animation style too, I suppose. You don't necessarily want to over-sexualise a teen at the end of the day. And the creator the series does have an agenda with the way she's drawn some of the characters.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i can get past the designs as much as love the filmation stuff it basically was Victoria secret goes to war, so while im not keen on every design i am interested in some of the variations

all i care about is the actual story is good and the respect the lore of the series and i have no problem redoing secret of the sword only this time in reverse with her looking for her brother. i mean he has to exist in this version she still says grayskull and its not shown yet lol

 

[jmc]

She-Ra was idealistic not over sexualised. People need to understand the difference.

 

[Sithborg]

I fail how she isn't idealized in this. She is TALL. And clearly muscular. They get the idea across very well with the style they have chosen.

Anyway, I am likely going to end up binging this, since I am in bed sick. I have done the first four episodes so far. I am enjoying it. Adora, Catra, Glimmer, and Bo are great so far. The villains are interesting, and I want to know more about them. The backstory they are hinting is something I am excited to see expanded. I now would not be surprised to see He-man show up later on.

Here's hoping the shippers don't go insane. As it already is very, very friendly for the shipper obsessed.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Just finished it. Quite good overall and way better than a remake of a half-hour toy commercial has any right to be. Bring on season two!

 

[Sithborg]

Okay, finished it. Going to need some time to think about this without fighting sickness. But, definitely get an Avatar vibe. Catra has the potential to rival Zuko as a character.

But, I am really, really, really liking some of the lore implications. I don't necessarily think He-man is out yet.

 

[FVD]

It's also a bummer that She-Ra isn't a secret identity anymore. They better not do this with He-Man. Also interesting to find there are other Princesses of Power. I suppose that's to correspond with the Masters on Eternia.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Personally, the art design is below average, but the storytelling at least is decent. As a child watching a couple of the She-Ra episodes (I followed He-Man more), the dialogue in that series looking back was pretty hokey though. Such a shame the 2002-3 series never got to the point of introducing Adora and She-Ra (those were amazing designs) for Season 3, so I guess I'll see where this series leads. I will be apprehensive if He-Man ends up in this format, however...

One thing I am okay with is Adora being a teenager like how Adam was in the 2002 series. I'll get used to the animation style too, I suppose. You don't necessarily want to over-sexualise a teen at the end of the day. And the creator the series does have an agenda with the way she's drawn some of the characters.

Explain that lat bit if you would? What part of the character designs indicates "an agenda"? Also, if there is an agenda as you see it... What's the end game? What's the purpose of said agenda?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

She-Ra was idealistic not over sexualised. People need to understand the difference.

As a hetero young lad who watched both He-Man and She-Ra shows as a kid... I assure you that many boys fantasized about the female characters like classic She-Ra, Teela and Evillynn. You could have easily dropped those designs into the Heavy Metal animated film and most wouldn't bat an eyelash.

 

[Sithborg]

I suspect he is referring to the different body types we see the princess' have.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Okay, finished it. Going to need some time to think about this without fighting sickness. But, definitely get an Avatar vibe. Catra has the potential to rival Zuko as a character.

But, I am really, really, really liking some of the lore implications. I don't necessarily think He-man is out yet.

Sorry about your cold.


I just started this morning and this feels very much like a cross between the original Teen Titans show and Last Air Bender with a lot of potential. Would I prefer something more along the lines of say a Young Justice type design of characters and the like? Yeah. And in terms of general sophistication it leans a bit more into the Tern Titans side than the Avatar side BUT when it comes down to the dramatic elements they play it straight faced and well, at least considering its main audience. It's got a lot of fun potential if they can maintain this level of quality. On episode seven so I hope the season finishes strong.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I suspect he is referring to the different body types we see the princess' have.

I honestly didn't notice. I mean... I guess I just think different characters should look different.

Granted this is a show with a majority female cast of characters and that is gonna be scrutinized for a variety of reasons for good and ill.

 

[Sithborg]

i can get past the designs as much as love the filmation stuff it basically was Victoria secret goes to war, so while im not keen on every design i am interested in some of the variations

all i care about is the actual story is good and the respect the lore of the series and i have no problem redoing secret of the sword only this time in reverse with her looking for her brother. i mean he has to exist in this version she still says grayskull and its not shown yet lol

I could be seeing things but

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they pretty much implied that Adora was from Eternia. It makes sense for how the line of She-Ra would be restored, since if the lines of She-Ra and He-Man were bloodlines, it would make sense they would have to go to Eternia if Mera ended the line of She-Ras after she moved Etheria.

Let me tell you, I am really, really looking for the flashback lore episodes. Mera sounds fascinating, a She-Ra that went bad.

Really looking forward to lore episodes. Hinted at some really interesting ideas. Do hope some more of the classic Horde villains show up. Mainly Leech and Mantenna.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I could be seeing things but

Spoiler

they pretty much implied that Adora was from Eternia. It makes sense for how the line of She-Ra would be restored, since if the lines of She-Ra and He-Man were bloodlines, it would make sense they would have to go to Eternia if Mera ended the line of She-Ras after she moved Etheria.

Let me tell you, I am really, really looking for the flashback lore episodes. Mera sounds fascinating, a She-Ra that went bad.

Really looking forward to lore episodes. Hinted at some really interesting ideas. Do hope some more of the classic Horde villains show up. Mainly Leech and Mantenna.

See, what I'm thinking is possible is:

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Maybe Mara didn't go bad. That AI seemed to be presented in a rather "gray" way. It could go in either direction. Maybe the AI was telling Adorable the truth about Mara but maybe that's from its POV. Mara's actions and reasons for what she did could be very different from how the AI characterized them.

I too hope the series gets to touching on the He-Man and Eternia siege of things but for now I think the next season should focus on what was introduced and explicitly laid out in season one. Maybe thread some hints at Adora's origin through season two and then give us something concrete about Adam and Eternia in season three. That's me though. I hope the show would also get a slight bump in its animation budget. There were a lot a good moments in this season but then there were times you could tell they had to skimp on certain ideas or moments. Like the final battle at Glimer's kingdom felt a bit chintzy because despite the inherent danger of the Horde coming to attack, both sides seemed really anemic in terms of numbers. There weren't a lot of the Horde there and until the other princesses showed up it was literally just Bo, Glimmer, the queen and She-Ra actively defending the castle despite the audience being showed palace guards and other people in the kingdom all the time. It came off like they simply hoped we wouldn't notice that there weren't that many participants in this season ending battle.

That quibble aside I enjoyed the show both for its dramatic action adventure elements but also for some funny moments that made me chuckle heartily.

"There's Force Captain orientation?"

"Adventure!!"

"I'm my own horse."

While I would prefer a different animation style/design I was more than able to overlook that and get into the characters and story.

 

[Sithborg]

I am going to hope and assume that they will get a similar 72 episode/6 season order that Voltron got. Plenty of time for lore.

 

[TheVileOne]

As a hetero young lad who watched both He-Man and She-Ra shows as a kid... I assure you that many boys fantasized about the female characters like classic She-Ra, Teela and Evillynn. You could have easily dropped those designs into the Heavy Metal animated film and most wouldn't bat an eyelash.

I mean Jason Biggs lusted after Ariel in the Little Mermaid in American Pie.

 

[jmc]

I fail how she isn't idealized in this. She is TALL. And clearly muscular. They get the idea across very well with the style they have chosen.

The traits of feminine perfection are long legs, perfect facial features, long flowing hair, wide hips and body curves. These traits have been in art since the days we were painting on caves. Characters like She-Ra and Wonder Woman are a representation of the ideal female. Sexualised means to take those traits and to push them to their absolute extremes without justification, which is something original She-Ra was not. This She-Ra frankly doesn't embody those traits at all, mostly because she's not a grown woman for a start. Her design is generic, almost intentionally made to play down femininity. The previous page shows what modern She-Ra can look like.

 

[jmc]

Explain that lat bit if you would? What part of the character designs indicates "an agenda"? Also, if there is an agenda as you see it... What's the end game? What's the purpose of said agenda?

It's pretty obvious they've gone for the whole 'body positivity' nonsense with the character design. The original characters were all heroic in their designs, tall, stoic, athletic figures. The whole 'all shapes and sizes' thing is a misguided idea that if you tell kids that anyone can be a hero they'll believe it. Reality is kids aren't stupid, they can figure out the difference between someone who is in physical shape and someone who is overweight. We're programmed to appreciate good looking things. The designs are a reflection of the same people who say 'anyone can do anything' without adding the sentence 'as long as you work hard at it'.

 

[Sithborg]

I really don't think that is what is shown at all. And do you really not realize the kind of damage your kind of views can cause? Especially with girls?

Yes, kids aren't stupid. Which is why they end up with the various disorders when they don't fit the constant barrage of what a woman should look like.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It's pretty obvious they've gone for the whole 'body positivity' nonsense with the character design. The original characters were all heroic in their designs, tall, stoic, athletic figures. The whole 'all shapes and sizes' thing is a misguided idea that if you tell kids that anyone can be a hero they'll believe it. Reality is kids aren't stupid, they can figure out the difference between someone who is in physical shape and someone who is overweight. We're programmed to appreciate good looking things. The designs are a reflection of the same people who say 'anyone can do anything' without adding the sentence 'as long as you work hard at it'.

Got it. No fatties.


Jesus ****ing Christ.

None of the characters on the show are obese or somehow incredibly out of shape and let's be serious here, most of them use magical super powers. Jean Grey does not actually have to look like she has since the Jim Lee era, like some plastic surgery enhanced porn star to actually do her job as a super heroine cuz she moves **** with her mind.

People seem to willfully misinterpret what is actually meant by body positivity because it's not saying "just be fat and unhealthy ". The fact is even giving as much effort as one can most people just are never going to be able to achieve a super hero/movie star body no matter how many weight loss selfies get posted online. In my 20's I used to train 5-6 hours every day AND assistant teach a martial arts class about four times a week. Despite all that effort I never got a Brad Pitt body. I was able to fly out to California and compete in martial arts real contact stick fighting matches (think a UFC match where punching, kicking and grappling are all a go AND your both armed with a sword length stick) despite not necessarily looking like an illustrator's idealized human body.

Maybe it's just me but I don't see the issue with a message that says that one shouldn't measure ones self worth based on not looking like a super model, especially for young girls.


I will also add that it's not at all like any of the girls on the show are in fact "fat" or obese. Glimmer is at best a bit chunky and even then there are human beings that are in real life just built that way and starving themselves and working out won't actually turn those girls in Angelina Jolie's in her prime no matter what. We all should be as healthy as we can be and eat right. We all should not use food to drown our sorrows in. Thing is the idea of body positivity isn't that you should just let yourself go. It's saying you have worth beyond your aesthetic and indeed sexual appeal. I think frankly it says a lot more about someone if they make huge blanket judgements about a person because they are not some zero percent body fat super model as compared to someone who despite not being the idealized super hero form made flesh still knows their own self worth.


And before the usual obtuse types show up... No that doesn't mean ****ing Roseanne Barr should play Wonder Woman you pretentious gits. That argument isn't even close to what the issue is here so please, save the edgelord act for 4chan.

 

[Primal Slayer]

As if having a 6 pack is realistic for everyone and means "healthy" lol.

I'm finding the show ok. It is a bit more on the childish side then I expected but it's a kids show through and through. The character models are a bit simplistic for my liking. I'll finish s1 but as of right now dont have plans to watch a s2 if we get one.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

As if having a 6 pack is realistic for everyone and means "healthy" lol.

I'm finding the show ok. It is a bit more on the childish side then I expected but it's a kids show through and through. The character models are a bit simplistic for my liking. I'll finish s1 but as of right now dont have plans to watch a s2 if we get one.

I think it definitely skews a bit much into "kid friendly" often so I get older fans like myself finding that not quite to their liking. But they are also pretty good with their relationships and dramatic and action elements. An early 2000's MOTU take would have been my own preference but this show definitely shows the promise of getting deeper and richer with its stories and character while still being a show aimed at a younger crowd.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, the same definitely could be said of the first season of Avatar.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I mean, the same definitely could be said of the first season of Avatar.

This. Similar to A:TLA this series has great potential with what they set up in its first season. And even if its first season is a few notches below TLA it's certainly in the old Teen Titans range when it was at its best. For sure it's put more stock into relationships and characterization than the old TT show did when it started.

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I am going to hope and assume that they will get a similar 72 episode/6 season order that Voltron got. Plenty of time for lore.

Noelle Stevenson has mentioned that she has completed at least 52 episodes, 13 episodes in each season.