Fantasy Netflix's The Witcher - General Discussion Thread

[DarthSkywalker]

That last episode certainly was something.

 

[TheVileOne]

Just finished season 2 and really enjoyed it after a slow first 2 episodes. Keen to see the wild hunt in season 3.

Such as?

That's going to be the tricky thing about a fourth game. Maybe it won't be you playing as a Witcher at all, or maybe you will be playing as Ciri based off the Witcher ending of the game, and it will be different since she has a completely different set of powers than Geralt has in the game.

Or maybe you will just be a generic "V" type character and you basically create your own Witcher who exists within the world of the game.

 

[Marvolo]

The music this season has been so unimpactful and emotionally neutral.

 

[TheVileOne]

The music this season has been so unimpactful and emotionally neutral.

Getting rid of Sonya Belousova and Gione Ostinelli's music was such a big mistake. I worship the music of the game series, but I actually thought Belousova and Ostinelli did a great job of giving us something with emotion and character. It was so memorable.

Joseph Trapanese's music in S2 is just generic. Having him replace Belousova and Ostinelli was a major red flag for S2.



Here is Power and Purpose from S2:



Like it sounds OK. On its own, I think it sounds decent-ish I've heard much worse music for fantasy shows, but it didn't inspire me as much as the S1 music and songs.

 

[Marvolo]

If there is going to be another 2 year wait for season 3 I hope they up the scale and spectacle. This season felt small.

 

[TheVileOne]

If there is going to be another 2 year wait for season 3 I hope they up the scale and spectacle. This season felt small.

I don't think it will be quite as long as S2 which was mainly due to the pandemic, but I guess we'll see. All these new pandemic variants are creating more issues.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I don't think it will be quite as long as S2 which was mainly due to the pandemic, but I guess we'll see. All these new pandemic variants are creating more issues.

Well Blood Origin is coming next in 2022 and they haven't even started filming season 3 so 2023 is a safe bet.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well Blood Origin is coming next in 2022 and they haven't even started filming season 3 so 2023 is a safe bet.

I don't think we're going to be waiting a year for Blood Origin. I don't think Witcher S2 will be December 2023 though.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I don't think we're going to be waiting a year for Blood Origin. I don't think Witcher S2 will be December 2023 though.

Time shall tell.

 

[Iceman]

That's going to be the tricky thing about a fourth game. Maybe it won't be you playing as a Witcher at all, or maybe you will be playing as Ciri based off the Witcher ending of the game, and it will be different since she has a completely different set of powers than Geralt has in the game.

Or maybe you will just be a generic "V" type character and you basically create your own Witcher who exists within the world of the game.

How about Ciri and a new generation Witcher? As in not one you create yourself but another one like Geralt with their own personality. I would be up for controlling both.

 

[Iceman]

If there is going to be another 2 year wait for season 3 I hope they up the scale and spectacle. This season felt small.

I’d also like to see an increase in scale for season 3. They had a good while to lay the foundations now and can bring in new viewers with a massive S3 trailer.

 

[TheVileOne]

How about Ciri and a new generation Witcher? As in not one you create yourself but another one like Geralt with their own personality. I would be up for controlling both.

I mean the whole thing in the books and games is that Witchers are kind of dying out. There are very few of them left. The secrets on how to create new Witchers has been lost.

If you get her Witcher ending, Ciri I suppose is the closest thing to a new generation of Witcher. But she can be a Witcher due to her Elder Blood powers, which she's learned how to harness and control. But like School of the Wolf is pretty much on its last legs. Kaer Morhen is all but abandoned. Doesn't seem like the other schools are doing much better.

 

[Iceman]

I mean the whole thing in the books and games is that Witchers are kind of dying out. There are very few of them left. The secrets on how to create new Witchers has been lost.

If you get her Witcher ending, Ciri I suppose is the closest thing to a new generation of Witcher. But she can be a Witcher due to her Elder Blood powers, which she's learned how to harness and control. But like School of the Wolf is pretty much on its last legs. Kaer Morhen is all but abandoned. Doesn't seem like the other schools are doing much better.

Right and that was the case with the original Star Wars trilogy too with the Jedi almost gone, but there is always a chance of more as long as a property endures and doesn’t die out. Ciri is a huge character now in this mythology and they could easily write in the possibility of a future if they wanted that to coincide with her effects on the world. Even without that, one young new Witcher to take on the baton is enough, as long as they make them every bit as good as game Geralt. The raised scale I’m asking for can come from elsewhere, don’t necessarily need an army of Witchers.

 

[Marvolo]

Emhyr with the uno reverse card at the end.

 

[TheVileOne]

Right and that was the case with the original Star Wars trilogy too with the Jedi almost gone, but there is always a chance of more as long as a property endures and doesn’t die out. Ciri is a huge character now in this mythology and they could easily write in the possibility of a future if they wanted that to coincide with her effects on the world. Even without that, one young new Witcher to take on the baton is enough, as long as they make them every bit as good as game Geralt. The raised scale I’m asking for can come from elsewhere, don’t necessarily need an army of Witchers.

Eh the Witchers aren't really Jedi. Even in Witcher 3, Geralt has a very frank attitude about Witchers dying out. He's very much OK and at peace with it.

The Jedi are noble champions of democracy. The Witchers are glorified rat catchers. Their job is to kill monsters, stay on the path and move on to the next job. They aren't there to keep the peace or keep tyrants in line or quell uprisings.

The Witchers do not have this honorable lineage and legacy. Their guilds take in children who are sacrificed and mostly don't even survive during the Trial of Grasses. Really, The Witcher guilds are are a crapsack bunch in an already crapsack world.

Making a new generation of Witchers who will bring order and justice to the Continent is not what the story is about and sort of goes against the themes and ideas that Sapkowski came up with.

If you want to make the comparison, Witchers are like the anti-Jedi.

 

[Iceman]

Eh the Witchers aren't really Jedi. Even in Witcher 3, Geralt has a very frank attitude about Witchers dying out. He's very much OK and at peace with it.

The Jedi are noble champions of democracy. The Witchers are glorified rat catchers. Their job is to kill monsters, stay on the path and move on to the next job. They aren't there to keep the peace or keep tyrants in line or quell uprisings.

The Witchers do not have this honorable lineage and legacy. Their guilds take in children who are sacrificed and mostly don't even survive during the Trial of Grasses. Really, The Witcher guilds are are a crapsack bunch in an already crapsack world.

Making a new generation of Witchers who will bring order and justice to the Continent is not what the story is about and sort of goes against the themes and ideas that Sapkowski came up with.

If you want to make the comparison, Witchers are like the anti-Jedi.

Right yeah, that’s all true. I wasn’t saying Witcher are like Jedi. Just saying another franchise has it’s core powered individual type dying out as part of its story, and that all it takes is for the franchise to not die out and for demand for more content to continue (with profit to be made by companies and license holders) for an out to be written in to allow things to continue. And in this case you don’t even need multiple Witchers, one young one with a future is enough and that one will have the benefit of an older Ciri to interact with (unless they want to make her a playable character too). The series seems like it’s boosting Ciri’s profile too.

Witcher 3 is the best fantasy game of its type and I’d be very surprised if we don’t get new mainline games eventually that are aimed to be W3 scale. Can’t really see how CDPR are going to continue long term otherwise as people are not going to trust any new major IP from them straight after Cyberpunk but the Witcher itself still has a lot of goodwill. Once they are done with remakes it’s surely the next step.

 

[TheVileOne]

Right yeah, that’s all true. I wasn’t saying Witcher are like Jedi. Just saying another franchise has it’s core powered individual type dying out as part of its story, and that all it takes is for the franchise to not die out and for demand for more content to continue (with profit to be made by companies and license holders) for an out to be written in to allow things to continue. And in this case you don’t even need multiple Witchers, one young one with a future is enough and that one will have the benefit of an older Ciri to interact with (unless they want to make her a playable character too). The series seems like it’s boosting Ciri’s profile too.

Witcher 3 is the best fantasy game of its type and I’d be very surprised if we don’t get new mainline games eventually that are aimed to be W3 scale. Can’t really see how CDPR are going to continue long term otherwise as people are not going to trust any new major IP from them straight after Cyberpunk but the Witcher itself still has a lot of goodwill. Once they are done with remakes it’s surely the next step.

I think if you're not playing as Ciri, they will do something like Cyberpunk where you are playing like your own Witcher and you will get to sort of choose your own backstory like with V. Because I don't see a game where you are playing as Lambert, Eskel, or Letho. It's not like there still aren't other Witchers in existence on the Continent.

 

[lespaul59]

I want a Witcher 4 to be about Ciri and Geralt can sprinkled in like Cork was in W3. I don't really care about a create a Witcher style game. I'm not saying I wouldn't play it but my excitement would be far less that if Ciri is the main character. I'm not sure a W4 featuring Geralt would have me as excited as a W4 featuring Ciri. While Geralt is my favorite character Ciri is so close to him it's more like the two are 1/1A rather than them being 1 and 2.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well CDPR already indicated that the next Witcher game will likely have multiplayer in terms of things they might do differently.

 

[Reek]

well anyways i love witcher 3... and not sure what some of you expected with a half decent actor fanboying cosplaying for fun... but i have enjoyed both seasons for what they were. It's not like they are trying to make Ciri the next trendy Dany Targa---- ah f***.

 

[TheVileOne]

well anyways i love witcher 3... and not sure what some of you expected with a half decent actor fanboying cosplaying for fun... but i have enjoyed both seasons for what they were. It's not like they are trying to make Ciri the next trendy Dany Targa---- ah f***.

I actually like most of the cast. I can tell that Henry Cavill takes the material seriously and really cares. I think Freya Allan is perfectly cast. This season, I think Anna Shaffer even did a lot better as Triss Merigold. Looked and felt more like Triss in the books to me. Joey Batey as Jaskier is perfect. I think even Chris Fulton showed some promise as Rience.

I think the missteps this season are with Yennefer, Fringilla, and Francesca. They had to flesh out whole new subplots for them but in doing so they veered wildly from the book material and what they came up with was...not great. I'm not saying they shouldn't have come up with plots for them but it was not consistent with Yennefer in the first season or the books.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I actually like most of the cast. I can tell that Henry Cavill takes the material seriously and really cares. I think Freya Allan is perfectly cast. This season, I think Anna Shaffer even did a lot better as Triss Merigold. Looked and felt more like Triss in the books to me. Joey Batey as Jaskier is perfect. I think even Chris Fulton showed some promise as Rience.

I think the missteps this season are with Yennefer, Fringilla, and Francesca. They had to flesh out whole new subplots for them but in doing so they veered wildly from the book material and what they came up with was...not great. I'm not saying they shouldn't have come up with plots for them but it was not consistent with Yennefer in the first season or the books.

Yennefer is almost an afterthought in the actual books so giving her more to do has honestly just made her character awful in this series...that and the actress just doesn't get the character, Yennefer is a headstrong smart-ass not a full blown *****. Same problem Faye had in the live action adaptation of Cowboy Bebop.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yennefer is an afterthought in the actual books? Um...

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Yennefer is an afterthought in the actual books? Um...

Afterthought is probably a bit harsh but she isn't focused on enough on her subplot after the attack on Aretuza, pretty sure it's mostly her being a prisoner and dealing with Phillipa, the story revolves more around Geralt and Ciri's plot followed by all the shady things going on in Nilfgaard.

In the short stories she plays a larger role but this is before Ciri really becomes a player.

To be fair I haven't read the books in a couple of years so I may also not be remembering how much Yennefer is really in it outside of the lead up to Aretuza and meeting up at the end.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just finished season 2 and personally I really enjoyed it. Never played the games or read the books but thought that final episode was superb, with that ending getting an audible gasp from me.