Nevada Caucus...

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  1. cookiva Registered

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    No, you are right. It is the reason.

    But if Edwards had the backing of the unions, he would be winning Nevada. Thats true, plain and simple...
     
  2. The Senator Registered

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    What a wonderful statement.:whatever:
     
  3. Excel O-bama-ama-ama-ay-ay

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    In reguards to the debate...

    Please; Barrack and the questiners put her in her place and made her sound stupid more than once.

    She talks about how Bush used fear to get people to agree with him by talking about what terrorists MAY do if we dont listen to him and do what he says...and then goes onto suggest terrorist may test barrack because hes inexpirienced!

    She did the exact same thing. She trying to make voters afraid that if Barrack was President, he coud get tested the same way the PM in England did; I wish Barrack had called her on it but he has more class and manners than that because frankly she would have looked extremely stupid.
     
  4. cookiva Registered

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    Wow, I didnt even see that line. What the hell....?
     
  5. hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    Which makes the unions look even stupider because Edwards is the one who's running particularly for them.

    It's idiocy like this which has made the union vote completely irrelevant. They'll just continue to vote mainstream Democrat instead of someone who is either better for the country or better for them.
     
  6. cookiva Registered

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    QFtmfT
     
  7. Chris B Registered

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    Two new polls show him in striking distance of Hillary and Obama so I think he could do well. I think he could come in second.

    On a related note, I'm predicting Hillary and Romney victories in Nevada.
     
  8. Kelly #RESIST

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    Teachers Sue to Block Hotel Workers’ Union Vote in Nevada Caucus
    STEVE FRIESS

    Published: January 12, 2008
    LAS VEGAS — Nevada’s state teachers union and six Las Vegas area residents filed a lawsuit late Friday that could make it harder for many members of the state’s huge hotel workers union to vote in the hotly contested Jan. 19 Democratic caucus in Nevada.



    The 13-page lawsuit in federal district court here comes two days after the 60,000-member Culinary Workers Union Local 226 in Nevada endorsed Senator Barack Obama, a blow to Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Obama addressed the Culinary Union at their hall earlier Friday.
    The lawsuit argues that the Nevada Democratic Party’s decision, decided late last year, to create at-large precincts inside nine Las Vegas resorts on caucus day violates the state’s election laws and creates a system in which voters at the at-large precincts can elect more delegates than voters at other precincts. The lawsuit employs a complex mathematical formula to show that voters at the other 1,754 precincts would have less influence with their votes.
    The at-large precincts are being established because thousands of hotel workers cannot leave work to participate in the midday caucuses in their home precincts. The Nevada State Education Association has said it would not endorse any Democrat, but some of its top officials have endorsed Mrs. Clinton. The association’s deputy executive director, Debbie Cahill, for instance, was a founding member of Senator Clinton’s Nevada Women’s Leadership Council.
    Nobody from the either union could be reached for comment late Friday. One plaintiff, Vicky Birkhead of North Las Vegas referred questions to the plaintiffs’ attorneys, who also could not be reached.
    “This could shut down those precincts in the casinos and keep culinary members from voting,” said Jon Ralston, a political pundit with The Las Vegas Sun, who broke the story on his blog. Mr. Ralston said it is unclear whether there are ties between the lawsuit and the Clinton campaign but, he predicted, “Even if they’re Hillary supporters, the campaign’s going to say they had nothing to do with it.It is unclear when the court will hear the matter.


    Questions to answer?

    • What campaign does this help?
    • Who's campaign, if any, is behind this lawsuit?
     
  9. StorminNorman Registered

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    Teachers Union's :down

    I don't like this lawsuit.

    If the judge sides with the NVEA, it helps Clinton.
     
  10. Kelly #RESIST

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    But doesn't the Culinary Unions ability to vote where they work help Obama.....IMO, if they simply make them go back to the public caucus sites, doesn't that make more fair? Think about it....why is ok for the Culinary Union to vote where they work, but its not ok for Teachers to vote where they work?
     
  11. StorminNorman Registered

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    Most Culinary workers will have working hours at the time of the Caucuses. Most teachers will not.
     
  12. Matt IKYN Guy Groupie

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    I don't like this a bit. Being able to vote where you work is ridiculous to begin with. Here's an idea Nevada...instead of having these caucus' anyway, just have a regular primary. Then you will have polls open all day and chances are, people who want to vote...can.
     
  13. Kelly #RESIST

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    So what? you can say that about several different groups of people in the work place......and actually thats pretty much bull crap. If you are a coach, or a teacher involved in extracurricular activities which many are....then they may very well work into the evening...I know I do.

    Bottomline is this, why is it "all of the sudden" the caucus format does not work in Nevada? The Culinary Union asked for this to up the vote for the one they have chose to endorse......lmao.......it is as obvious as what the Teacher's Union is doing.....SO, you simply go back to the public forums of the Caucus as they have been done in the past. It's not rocket science here......if you want to help them out, then you change the caucus time to a longer period, so that they can be included.....

    Hell I have voting booths 100 feet from my classroom, yet because of the laws in place I can't vote there........so what do I do, I change my schedule alittle so that I can be a part of the voting process.....
     
  14. StorminNorman Registered

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    The Hotel Industry is far more important - short-term economically - than Teachers for the state of Nevada. Thats why they get the perks. I don't like it - but thats why it happened. If the Teachers Union truly was outraged by this, they should of filed suit last year! If the Culinary Industry backed Hillary over Obama - there would of been no suit. When they thought this decision wouldn't hurt their candidate of choice - they had no problem with it. Now that it does - they are morally outraged.

    Please.:whatever:

    I agree with Matt, though - the best solution is to get rid of the Caucus and do a Primary. Its the obvious, rational choice.
     
  15. Kelly #RESIST

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    LMAO, its not being done as a perk.....its being done to get their person as #1......if it were a perk, it would have been done...LOOOOOOONG before now. And yes, very true, a primary would work much better.
     
  16. StorminNorman Registered

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    No - it was a perk. This decision of letting them vote near their workplace took place months before the Union endorsed Obama.

     
  17. Kelly #RESIST

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    Norman, just because it was done before the announcement, does not mean they did not know who they were going to endorse. That vote was probably taken months ago, and then announced closer to the caucus itself.....if it were a perk, then why was it done now.....during a time where there is no clear front runner? Please......perk my ass.....yeah a perk to get Obama more votes.....its politics, thats how it works. LMAO, hell I don't care, I could go with Clinton or Obama at this point.....but that is not perk to help them out.....thats a perk to help Obama out. OF COURSE, they did that before they made their announcement of who they were endorsing, if they did it afterwards, then even the dumb people of Nevada could see its a push for Obama.
     
  18. StorminNorman Registered

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    But there was a clear front runner when the decision was made. This election was Hillary's. Period. No doubt in anyones mind. She was going to win everything - go the distance - etc. etc.

    And then Iowa.

    Chances are the Union would not of been in a position to support Obama at the time of this decision because the polls had Obama back as much as 37% in the polls. A Union wouldn't lend its name to a candidate that is considered by all to be slaughtered.

    Now if this announcement was made after Iowa - you could raise the Conspiracy flags. Since that is not the case, you are hearing hoof prints and shouting Zebra!

    If anything, this is clearly a political move by the NVEA.
     
  19. Kelly #RESIST

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    Well, then we are going to have to agree to disagree......because I think its bull****ola...........it was done for Obama, IMO of course.....she is still ahead there, in the end.......its still all up in the air.


    I think that ANYTHING that gets more of the vote out is a good thing, let me make that clear..............but it should be all around, not just this group because they are large in number.......allow EVERYONE more of an opportunity to caucus.....


    It's politics, and it smells of politics.....hence my ****ola comment.
     
  20. StorminNorman Registered

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    Oh it does have a certain smell. I just think you are attacking the wrong side. This lawsuit is ONLY in the courts because the Culinary Union backed Obama. It was the NVEA that is playing the political game.
     
  21. EdRyder Registered

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    We discussed this in another thread already and clearly this is a black eye on another dirty Clintonian tactic.
    This was unanimously voted in committee last year, 4 of the 6 plaintiffs in the lawsuit were on that committee.
    ????
     
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    Judge Dismisses Nevada Caucus Challenge

     
  23. Kelly #RESIST

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    No actually I'm attacking both sides, that is just the side that we have been discussing......the entire situation is alot smelly......lol
     
  24. souvlaki Registered

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    I don't get how people are turning this into a debate against Barack Obama. Fair or unfair, this was voted on LAST YEAR. No one debated this until LAST WEEK. They had months to protest this decision, and they chose to wait until Barack Obama won the endorsement. It really doesn't matter whether or not this is fair or unfair for a certain group of people, what the debate comes down to is noone had a problem with this decision until Obama received the endorsement. Like others have said, we wouldn't even be having this discussion had Hillary received the endorsement, because chances are this lawsuit never would have come about.
     
  25. Kelly #RESIST

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    Yep I just heard that on the news Ed, I figured that is how it would go since it had the blessing of the DNC....


    Late last year, you do realize it is only January right?


    And I agree it smells on both sides......but its politics, and that always has an odor.
     

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