Discussion: The DEMOCRATIC Party

[Spidey-Bat]

Immature? I'm sure there are millions of voters in NYC that feel the same way.

My comment about his rant immature has nothing to do with the bill itself. I thought it was borderline immature because of his body language at 0:20 and 1:28.

 

[Kelly]

Should the Caucus System in the Democratic Party be changed? According to this article it should....IF these things happened, IMO, it definitely should be changed for no other reason than to get back to the "one vote" process be upheld.

Also, to preface all of this, the "Democratic Change Commission" did nothing in the area of the Caucuses, so this will not be changed for the 2012 election.

Adding fuel to the speculation and rumor is a new documentary from a long time Democrat and documentarian, GiGi Gaston. Gaston insists she has irrefutable proof that the Obama campaign cheated and stole the primary from Hillary.

Documentary alleges fraud was rampant in early 2008 Democratic caucuses

 

[Schlosser85]

Oh, Alvin Greene, always a reliable source of comic relief.

(seriously what the **** is up with this guy??)

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Should the Caucus System in the Democratic Party be changed? According to this article it should....IF these things happened, IMO, it definitely should be changed for no other reason than to get back to the "one vote" process be upheld.

Also, to preface all of this, the "Democratic Change Commission" did nothing in the area of the Caucuses, so this will not be changed for the 2012 election.




Documentary alleges fraud was rampant in early 2008 Democratic caucuses

If the things alleged in this article / documentary are true, then it is absolutely appalling.

But I have to ask, just -how much- of an impact can these isolated instances have on the results of a -national election-, primary or otherwise? You have these instances happening to hundreds, or even thousands of people, but these national elections are won by thousands, or even tens and hundreds of thousands of votes.

And I'm also sure that if we wanted to find it, we could find the same types of things happening on the right as well, there were stories that I read during the election of Ann Coulter being registered in different states, and casting votes in states that she was not a resident of, and I'm sure she wasn't the only one on the right committing fraud like that.

What kind of scares me more than anything is the Democrats trying to create federal control over voter registration.

 

[Marx]

I still believe that caucases should be eliminated. There is no reason why it should be acceptable for one candidate to win the state's primary and another candidate to win the same state's caucus.

 

[Kelly]

If the things alleged in this article / documentary are true, then it is absolutely appalling.

But I have to ask, just -how much- of an impact can these isolated instances have on the results of a -national election-, primary or otherwise? You have these instances happening to hundreds, or even thousands of people, but these national elections are won by thousands, or even tens and hundreds of thousands of votes.

And I'm also sure that if we wanted to find it, we could find the same types of things happening on the right as well, there were stories that I read during the election of Ann Coulter being registered in different states, and casting votes in states that she was not a resident of, and I'm sure she wasn't the only one on the right committing fraud like that.

What kind of scares me more than anything is the Democrats trying to create federal control over voter registration.

I think the problem here is, it isn't happening within 10s of 1000s, it is happening within individual state's caucuses which in some instances is only 1000s.....on the road to becoming the Presidential Candidate.

Registration fraud is different from intimidation within caucuses...

I see a problem with Obama losing the Primaries (one vote) and winning all of the Caucuses (very easy to manipulate)

IMO, it would be very much to the Democrats positive if they would do away with the Caucuses totally and go only with Primaries.

BUT, if that were the case, we would have had a different Democratic Candidate in 2008, and I think they like having the power to manipulate who becomes their candidate.


As far as this happening in the Republican primaries and caucuses, I'm sure there are problems....BUT, in the Republican primaries, even their caucuses are "one vote, in private"....not the way that Democrats hold their Caucuses which sometimes goes way into the early morning hours....AND, are very hard for working Americans to get to because once they have started, you cannot participate. Republicans primaries and caucuses are set up much like how you would normally vote, therefore you have that day to vote, and once you have voted you are done.


I would like ALL Caucuses to move to the Primary style of voting.

How Do Democrats Select Delegates?


There are 1,784 precincts. The precinct caucuses begin at 6:30 p.m. on Thursday 3 January; attendees may register until 7 p.m. After everyone has had a say, attendees gather in like-minded groups, including undecideds. To be viable, a candidate must have a minimum level of support of 15-25% of the participants (varies based on number of delegates assigned to the precinct). After the first "round," supporters of candidates with less than the required percentage may join another group. Delegates pledge support to a specific candidate and are selected from the candidate supporters at the caucus. Iowa has 57 Democratic National Convention delegates.

http://www.iowacaucusresults.com/

How Do Republicans Select Delegates?


Republicans separate candidate preference from convention delegate selection. After everyone has had a say, attendees vote in a straw poll (paper ballot, counted by hand) to determine the winner. The attendees then select delegates, who do not have to declare which candidate they support. Iowa has 40 Republican National Convention delegates.

 

[Marx]

I see a problem with Obama losing the Primaries (one vote) and winning all of the Caucuses (very easy to manipulate)

IMO, it would be very much to the Democrats positive if they would do away with the Caucuses totally and go only with Primaries.

BUT, if that were the case, we would have had a different Democratic Candidate in 2008, and I think they like having the power to manipulate who becomes their candidate.

Exactly. The caucuses are the only reason Barack Obama won the party nomination.

 

[Kelly]

Sometimes a few thousand votes decide an election.

Also, even if it "only" happens to a few hundred people, that's still unacceptable.



Everyone here knows I'm a liberal, but "the right does it too" is no excuse.

I understand that, but it is far easier to manipulate a few 1,000 in Caucuses than it does 10s of 1000s in a Presidential Election where it is "one vote".

Liberal or Conservative, most people I talk to hate the Caucuses, mainly because they are part of the working world, and they don't have time to participate....

 

[Marx]

SENATOR JOHNSON HOSPITALIZED
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/09/democratic-senator-hospitalized/

 

[Kelly]

And the blame Bush brigade rolls on......*shakes head*


Maxine Waters blames racism, Bush for ethics charges

 

[Marx]

IS THERE A LIFE IN POLITICS FOR VICKY KENNEDY?
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/magazine/articles/2010/08/15/after_teddy/?page=1

 

[dnno1]

Sometimes a few thousand votes decide an election.

Also, even if it "only" happens to a few hundred people, that's still unacceptable.



Everyone here knows I'm a liberal, but "the right does it too" is no excuse.

The 2008 Presidential Election was not decided by a few thousand votes. It wasn't even close.

 

[Marx]

ALVIN GREENE INDICTED ON PORN CHARGES
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme...ene_indicted_on_obscenity_charges.php?ref=fpa

 

[Spidey-Bat]

"...in which he allegedly showed porn to a college student."

What college student hasn't seen porn?

 

[Marx]

"...in which he allegedly showed porn to a college student."

What college student hasn't seen porn?

It depends on the age of the college student. It is against the law in some states to view porn if you are under 18. (In other states, it is illegal for anyone under 21.)

 

[Marx]

SENATOR DURBIN RELEASED FROM HOSPITAL
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/14/durbin-out-of-hospital-after-surgery/

 

[Kelly]

"...in which he allegedly showed porn to a college student."

What college student hasn't seen porn?

*raises hand*

 

[Paradoxium]

That's because they didn't have computers, tvs and magazines back in those days

 

[Kelly]

We had magazines...

 

[Paradoxium]

Papyrus scrolls don't count Kel

 

[Marx]

 

[Kelly]

Well, there were no nude hieroglyphics....

 

[TimBisley]

Actually, I think there were plenty.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

*raises hand*

You lie!

 

[Paradoxium]