new 52 vs post-crisis

[Xak-Ell]

which do you prefer?

 

[Steamteck]

I really liked early post crisis but it went sour after a few years for me. The early post crisis was some of my favorite stuff whereas the 52 stuff just hasn't connected with me very well.

 

[Czar Colossus]

No brainer here.....New 52 sucks.

 

[Motown Marvel]

overall, Post Crisis...by far. I gave New 52 a shot, and it only resulted in me no longer buying comics after having been a wednesday faithful for over 15 years. its just garbage. i could have dealt with something new as long as it was done well...but the new 52 has just been crap ideas with crap execution.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

It's because of the New 52 that I'm reading more than just Batman. I came in after Final Crisis and dug some of the stuff they did but New 52 in my opinion rocks.

 

[hippie_hunter]

There are a lot of aspects of the New 52 that I don't like, but at the same time, there are a lot of elements of it that I do like and I think we just need to simply accept that DC will reboot their continuity every 25 or so years.

 

[RoughNTumble]

new 52 for wonder woman

post-crisis for batman

pre-crisis for superman and some new 52

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Exactly and it honestly needs to be done at times. The point of the crisis events was to help create a singular universal continuity that stories could interweave in.

The New 52 did that and for some characters like Wonder Woman, Flash, and parts of Batman it helped remake the character.

I couldn't read Justice League when I first came into comics because a lot had happened and I couldn't jump in. With the New 52 I could and I've been reading it ever since.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think you need to entirely reboot an entire continuity and new numbering to make stories new reader friendly. Writers IMO should be taking things like that into account regardless of the stories. And in the era of Wikipedia and TPBs, it's easier than ever. But the New 52 certainly gave DC some much needed momentum, no doubt about that.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

That's the thing they didn't reboot the entire continuity, just some of it. Green Lantern and Batman stayed mostly in tact. They acknowledged that Dick Grayson was Batman, Damian was still Robin, Barbara still had The Killing Joke happen, etc. Same thing with GL in regards to who was a lantern and who wasn't.

Some characters honestly needed a reboot cause even with wiki's it was hard to keep up. SHAZAM!, Wonder Woman, and more got a more refined origin and it allowed them to picked up easier by readers.

And like you said it gave DC serious momentum which is why they're neck-and-neck with Marvel right now.

 

[Hush]

New 52 currently is what I gotta read, so I like it. PC had just as much stupidity as people say new 52 had. This DC Universe is good....for now.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That's the thing they didn't reboot the entire continuity, just some of it. Green Lantern and Batman stayed mostly in tact. They acknowledged that Dick Grayson was Batman, Damian was still Robin, Barbara still had The Killing Joke happen, etc. Same thing with GL in regards to who was a lantern and who wasn't.

Actually even Batman and Green Lantern got changes. Batman became such a mess due to the New 52 that Snyder and the Bat-team decided to scrap their original plans of keeping Batman's history intact (from Frank Miller's Year One to No Man's Land, etc.) and completely give Batman a reboot. Even the Killing Joke no longer happened the way it originally happened. The only thing of the pre-New 52 continuity that remains of Batman is the Morrison stuff and that was simply because Morrison didn't finish his Batman run before DC decided to reboot everything.

Same with Green Lantern, Johns didn't finish his Green Lantern run so DC let their top writer finish it. But just like with Batman, everything asides from the Johns material has been completely undone now.

Some characters honestly needed a reboot cause even with wiki's it was hard to keep up. SHAZAM!, Wonder Woman, and more got a more refined origin and it allowed them to picked up easier by readers.

Not really. DC tidied up a lot of the messes COIE created for Wonder Woman with Infinite Crisis. Superman had just gotten a new origin with Johns' Superman: Secret Origin. And there really wasn't anything confusing about Captain Marvel's origin.

And like you said it gave DC serious momentum which is why they're neck-and-neck with Marvel right now.

Personally, I think that while the New 52 has given DC a lot of momentum with retailers (retailers like DC better than Marvel for lots of reasons), creatively Marvel is the better company. DC has done a lot to kill their creative momentum with the New 52 by alienating creators, very talented ones nonetheless.

 

[CrimsonMist]

I feel like New52 Wonder Woman could have existed pre-new52, which is why I think it was so good to begin with.

Overall, I feel like the quality of the books I started reading started off really strong and tapered off fairly quickly. My enjoyment and subsequent disappointment in Snyder's Batman had nothing to do with it being new52. His writing just sucked. I think for some books, that's all it ever actually came down to.

For Swamp Thing though, good as it is now, I feel alot of the changes Snyder made were ultimately pointless and hollow. For a character whose been out of the limelight for a long time, I didn't find any of the changes necessary and it ultimately made compelling characters trivial. With clever writing, you could maintain Swamp Thing's previous continuity in full and still get new readers. Kinda hoping Charles Soule can fix a few of those issues.

But I'm straying from the point. I'm gonna vote for post-crisis. As many problems as the post-crisis universe had, there was a very rich history there, with a vast selection of books that all felt and looked very different, while at the same time maintaining a uniformity of sorts. With the New52, there seems to be too much emphasis on uniformity and being a little more superficial and hollow in the story telling.

 

[Shazam]

That's the thing they didn't reboot the entire continuity, just some of it. Green Lantern and Batman stayed mostly in tact. They acknowledged that Dick Grayson was Batman, Damian was still Robin, Barbara still had The Killing Joke happen, etc. Same thing with GL in regards to who was a lantern and who wasn't.

Some characters honestly needed a reboot cause even with wiki's it was hard to keep up. SHAZAM!, Wonder Woman, and more got a more refined origin and it allowed them to picked up easier by readers.

And like you said it gave DC serious momentum which is why they're neck-and-neck with Marvel right now.

I disagree.....The whole thing is rebooted....

Batman has 4 sidekicks who were Robin, in 5years??

Green Lantern? Did Blackest Night even happen?

The original Justice Society are gone. "Proof"..........No Jay Garrick, Ted Grant.....nothing....

Wonder Woman is the love child of Zeus.

Superman wears armor and has no spit curl.....LOL

I like the romance of Superman and Wonder Woman in the New 52 ad Batman Zero Year. But that's it...........Post Crisis was much better.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Batman had Damian, that was post crisis.

Grayson grew up, Jason died, Drake took his place, then Damian. What's wrong with that logic.

Yes Blackest Night happened, they mention it a lot in the New 52, Black Hand was with the Indigo's (how Blackest Night ended) Neckron got brought back, etc.

JSA was part of the reboot sure along with some origins, like I said they were. Sure some things changed but many things stayed the same, and like I said before some changes were necessary.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say Marvel is better creatively because they've taken their own hits recently. Age of Ultron wasn't real liked, AvX wasn't what people thought it would be, a LOT of people aren't happy with All-New X-Men, they have a thousand Wolverine books, etc.

They both have epic highs and epic lows, both pre and post continuities, we should just try to enjoy what we have now. It's great to honor history in regards to comics but sometimes we need to respect what they're trying to do for the future comic book readers.

 

[TX85]

PC,I think New 52 is underrated But out of the two I defiantly have to go with Post-Crisis!!

 

[Shazam]

Batman had Damian, that was post crisis.

Grayson grew up, Jason died, Drake took his place, then Damian. What's wrong with that logic.

Yes Blackest Night happened, they mention it a lot in the New 52, Black Hand was with the Indigo's (how Blackest Night ended) Neckron got brought back, etc.

JSA was part of the reboot sure along with some origins, like I said they were. Sure some things changed but many things stayed the same, and like I said before some changes were necessary.

And I wouldn't go so far as to say Marvel is better creatively because they've taken their own hits recently. Age of Ultron wasn't real liked, AvX wasn't what people thought it would be, a LOT of people aren't happy with All-New X-Men, they have a thousand Wolverine books, etc.

They both have epic highs and epic lows, both pre and post continuities, we should just try to enjoy what we have now. It's great to honor history in regards to comics but sometimes we need to respect what they're trying to do for the future comic book readers.

The time span is illogical......and you know it is.
Five years and four side kicks.......one of them shouldn't even be born until the 2nd one (Jason) one is thought dead. Where's the time for Dick to get thru high school? That's 4 years right there? Were they Robin at the same time?

Batman met Ras Al Ghul during Dick's time. He and Talia didn't get it on until later......

I guessl they were all living in Wayne manor at the same time and were Robin at the same time, DC simply screwed this up.

Blackest Night heavily involved the Old JSA resurrections (Earth 2 Kal-L was raised for instance).........so if Blackest Night did happen, is this a different one? No one is explaining that.

 

[Cain]

Blackest Night still happened just not the way we read it. Don't think Brightest Day happened at all though Aquaman's series is kinda picking up from where his arc there left off.

Anyway I'm with the guys that say there was just as much questionable crap post-crisis as there was genuinely great stuff. Since a lot of my favorite stories were published post-crisis I guess it gets the edge. The fact that I went from reading over 45 DC books before Flashpoint and then after Flashpoint I was reading around 33 and now read lesser than that I guess kinda says something in itself.

Granted a lot of the books I no longer read in New 52 is because they were cancelled (OMAC, I Vampire, Dial H, Demon Knights, Voodoo) not because I lost interest. Still I'm with the guys who say I'm sticking with it since it's the only DCU we got and there are still some books that I am genuinely enjoying. Then again I tend to be the type of person who accepts things for what they are and not what I want them to be. I'll say one thing out of the big 2 DC is the only one I'm really liking. Even if neither are really a patch on Image Comics and Valiant 2.0 right now IMO.

Though I was always more of a DC guy I also always read my fair share of Marvel. Buying over 20 books on average. Now it's been difficult getting back into Marvel after Civil War. There are a few stories I followed since then (Slott's Spidey, Waid's DD, Rucka's Punisher, Hickman's Secret Warriors/S.H.I.E.L.D. as well as F4 & FF, Adam The Blue Marvel and Planet Hulk).

For the most part I just genuinely don't like a lot of the writing over there though I am liking All-New X-Men. One of the few Bendis superhero books to really keep my interest and the first time I'm regularly reading X-Men again since that mess of a story where the 3rd Summers brother was brought in and that arc where Rogue was team leader back when Brubaker was on Uncanny and Mike Carey was writing X-Men.

 

[Jochimus]

Eh, I gotta say Post-Crisis. I honestly stopped reading anything New 52 about half a year in; the only DC title I'm on right now is BATMAN '66. Granted, that's not exactly Post-Crisis in any way, but it's the only DC book right now that I have any interest in.

 

[DareDemon]

I actually really like new 52, and I've read a bunch of post crisis (which I love). They're both cool to me, I like how these characters are damned in an eternal cycle separated by crisis after crisis. It's like Ragnorok, and considering these superheroes are viewed as godlike in universe, it works for me.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think it's pretty arbitrary to say which continuity had better stories, especially since the new 52 has two years of stories and post-crisis has 25, but I'd say new 52 I guess.

 

[ironman29758]

To me with the exception of a few characters here and there I prefer New 52 over Post Crisis.

 

[Shazam]

It would be nice to discover that one of the New 52 earths is a post-crisis earth.

That would be a way of giving us back the old stuff and keeping the new.

 

[KevanG]

I prefer the Post-Crisis stuff. They had an epic changeover from the old to the new. They stopped the entire multiverse from being destroyed and had everyone from all universes show up to help. To get to the new 52 we had Barry Allen be a jackass because he missed his mommy.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I hate the Teen Titans in the new 52, especially Tim. The DCU needed cleansing, but i hate how some things were done