NEW full TRAILER!!!

[Dark Detective]

I loved the teaser but this...eh I don't know

Yeah, the teaser looked good, but I am now officially worried about this movie.

 

[theMan-Bat]

hey guys can anyone post the transcript of the trailer... i dont understand the final part.. when scarlett said.. "you have to..??" can any one help me?

Scarlett Johansson/Silken Floss doesn't say, "You have to," in the final part, she says, "The Octopus always finds his nemesis sooo destructing."

 

[theMan-Bat]

The trailer, as a trailer, looks fine. No complaints other than that crappy modern music that ruins the atmosphere for me. But it does NOT look like The Spirit. At all. Rogue_Trooper said it had atmosphere, camp, sexiness, fear, etc... I ask: Where the hell is the FUN?! Nothing i've seen (including the first teaser, which i LOVED, mind you) has shown any hints of fun. It's just a bunch of seductive women playing characters written out of character. It's Samuel L. Jackson playing a character i've never seen act the same way in the comics. The camp the wrong kind of camp.

and you speak the problem: It's FRANK MILLER'S SPIRIT. Since production he's been trying to say it's Eisner's character, and everything seen says otherwise. and that's a PROBLEM. I enjoy Frank Miller. I love the guy's work. I own everything i can get my hands on, and i eat it up. But The Spirit is sacred. Miller can do whatever he wants to Batman, Superman...whoever. But The Spirit was Eisner's and always remained Eisner's, even through Darwyn Cooke's run. It's always been Eisner. You want contemporary? Read Cooke's run. That's how the Spirit film should be.

If you can accept changes to Batman in the Burton films and Nolan films than you should be able to accept changes to the Spirit in Miller's film. Some people just can't accept changes and don't want the characters to evolve. If Batman’s wardrobe can change, I’m willing to give it a try for the Spirit. If you can accept Leger's Joker, who doesn't look like Bill Finger & Bob Kane's comic book Joker or act like him, who's skin is not permanently [FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]chalk [/SIZE][/FONT]white and doesn't kill with the signature Joker venom, you should be able to give Samuel L. Jackson's Octopus, who's not white and we see his face, a chance. Miller has kept what's most crucial about Octopus. Jackson's Octopus wears the Octopus gloves, various disguises, and is a psychopathic criminal mastermind. Miller's doing nothing that violates major aspects of the Spirit. He's embellishing the characters. I commend Frank Miller for keeping what's most crucial about the Spirit. If Frank charged in with a Spirit who was not a detective, whose main romantic interest was not the Police Commissioners daughter, named Ellen Dolan, my reaction would have been, "This is not the Spirit."

 

[theMan-Bat]

It looks like ****. As an animation style it's not entirely without merit

First you said it looks like ****. **** has style and merit?

but it has nothing to do with Eisner.

It's based on Eisner's comic strip.

A lot of it looked like the same approach that Sin City took without Rodreguiz's team to polish it. Flat backgrounds juxtaposed awkwardly with subtly lit people.

In other words, **** with style and merit?

The women are hot, but they all give off the impression of the same stereotypical ****e. Ellen Dollan being introduced with "Keep the mask on" and then giving her the line "You make me want to do all kinds of bad things" makes me wish a woman would take a strap-on to Miller's ass and give him a black eye for good measure.

Stereotypical ****es? How exactly has Miller turned Ellen Dolan into a ****e? How are the other women ****es?

What the **** is up with Samuel L. Jackson? That music? The whole badass posturing? None of this is remotely close to The Spirit and all of it is so formulaically Miller that the only thing that comes close to saving it from being offensive is just how banal it has all become.

The Octopus is suppose to be a badass villain.

 

[theMan-Bat]

I bet Will Eisner's turning over in his grave...R.I.P. Eisner.

For anyone to say "Eisner's turning over in his grave" is being a bit of a boob. This is what Eisner wanted. Will Eisner said to producer Michael Uslan, "Don't limit yourself to what I did in 1940 or 1950. Make it relevant for today and for the needs of movie going audiences of today. These are things you need to do and you shouldn't be tied to something because it was in the 11th issue."
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=002715

About the tv movie, Eisner said, "I was sorry for them, because I felt that they had turned out kind of a bland piece of work and spent about a million and a half dollars doing this pilot. I felt that they made an uninspired movie, and it didn't surprise me that it was a failure and didn't catch on."
http://www.richmondcomix.com/irving/eisner.html

During an interview for Meanwhile on March 7, 2000, Eisner said, "The television movie left me feeling very sorry for Warner Bros., I felt sad for them. I sent them a condolence note because they spent all this money and came up with a mouse. And I don't mean M-A-U-S. [laughs]
Filmmakers very often don't really, I think, understand the fact that a cartoon strip, cartoon story, or even a book, has a characteristic of its own that, to adapt it into film, requires a great deal of creative application. There are some comics that lend themselves easily...Batman [and] Superman lend themselves easily because they're both circus characters, and circus is very easy to film. But when you try to take something like The Shadow, or even Dick Tracy, both were failures at the box-office. Warner Bros. made a very honest attempt to be faithful to the character of The Spirit, and that was a mistake."
http://www.aspiritedlife.com/blog/2007/04/will-eisner-interview-from-2006.html

During a brief interview with MTV, Miller said, "The only way to honor Will Eisner was to forge ahead. If I'd done some dusty old rusty old monument to The Spirit, he would have risen from the grave and throttled me. So I forged ahead. I did something I thought would be bold and new."
http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1585984&vid=226728

 

[BETArayBill]

wow im sorry but that tralier was just awful and just killed my anticpation for this movie

 

[The Shadow]

For anyone to say "Eisner's turning over in his grave" is being a bit of a boob. This is what Eisner wanted. Will Eisner said to producer Michael Uslan, "Don't limit yourself to what I did in 1940 or 1950. Make it relevant for today and for the needs of movie going audiences of today. These are things you need to do and you shouldn't be tied to something because it was in the 11th issue."
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=002715

About the tv movie, Eisner said, "I was sorry for them, because I felt that they had turned out kind of a bland piece of work and spent about a million and a half dollars doing this pilot. I felt that they made an uninspired movie, and it didn't surprise me that it was a failure and didn't catch on."
http://www.richmondcomix.com/irving/eisner.html

During an interview for Meanwhile on March 7, 2000, Eisner said, "The television movie left me feeling very sorry for Warner Bros., I felt sad for them. I sent them a condolence note because they spent all this money and came up with a mouse. And I don't mean M-A-U-S. [laughs]
Filmmakers very often don't really, I think, understand the fact that a cartoon strip, cartoon story, or even a book, has a characteristic of its own that, to adapt it into film, requires a great deal of creative application. There are some comics that lend themselves easily...Batman [and] Superman lend themselves easily because they're both circus characters, and circus is very easy to film. But when you try to take something like The Shadow, or even Dick Tracy, both were failures at the box-office. Warner Bros. made a very honest attempt to be faithful to the character of The Spirit, and that was a mistake."
http://www.aspiritedlife.com/blog/2007/04/will-eisner-interview-from-2006.html

During a brief interview with MTV, Miller said, "The only way to honor Will Eisner was to forge ahead. If I'd done some dusty old rusty old monument to The Spirit, he would have risen from the grave and throttled me. So I forged ahead. I did something I thought would be bold and new."
http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1585984&vid=226728

well, A.) I do think Eisner wanted the makers of a Spirit movie to actually use the character the Spirit and B.) I don't think many movie going audiences are liking it, so far and its not "relevant for today". What it is, is Sin City 2 and a piece of crap form the looks of this trailer.

 

[theMan-Bat]

wow im sorry but that tralier was just awful and just killed my anticpation for this movie

No need to be sorry. Can't please everyone. I really like the trailer a lot. To each their own.

 

[theMan-Bat]

well, A.) I do think Eisner wanted the makers of a Spirit movie to actually use the character the Spirit

And here he is.

and B.) I don't think many movie going audiences are liking it, so far

Let's see:

looks pretty sweet

Certainly looks interesting.

Not bad.

It certainly looks intriguing.

Very Sexy

Looks pretty trippy. As with all films with Miller's name attached, the cinematography is awesome.

And was that Mendes that said the "Shut up and bleed already" line? It surprisingly impressed me, considering I always thought she was very bland in other movies. The delivery was nice. Reminded me of Pfeiffer as Catwoman.

i like what i see so far.

seems...interesting

Look, I read Eisner's comic's as a kid, I'm 30, but I'm really digging the way this trailer looks.

Saw it. Loved it!! It's all looking good. Frank Miller used a very appropriate technique to shoot this film. Good job.

Looks like a music video. Intriguing, though. While I'm not really into the green-screen movies, I think I'll have to see this one.

Looks like whole lot of fun to me though. t:

I think it looks great.

it looks amazing but i dont like the compilation of the trailer. went from the women to the octopus, just seemed hacky. but i am looking forward to it for sure

It looks nice......

i personally look forward to this, its not 100% Eisner's spirit, but it looks entertaining.

It looks ok. The women are hot, and the Spirit looks like a goofball, so they got that much right. Not digging Sam Jackson's Octopus or the color palette. It'll be worth seeing.

Not a fan of the character, but Eva Mendes's scene's in the movie simply have sold, especially when she drops the towell, my god.

I personally loved the trailer, and I love how crazy Samuel L. Jackson looks in a nazi uniform. No one can say this is not Eisner's movie because no one has seen the movie, their simply going by two trailers that they've seen.

Looks like many movie going audiences like it or at least find it interesting and intriguing.

and its not "relevant for today". What it is, is Sin City 2

I guarantee that Sin City 2 will be different than this.

and a piece of crap form the looks of this trailer.

Can't please everyone.

 

[rogue trooper]

well, A.) I do think Eisner wanted the makers of a Spirit movie to actually use the character the Spirit and B.) I don't think many movie going audiences are liking it, so far and its not "relevant for today". What it is, is Sin City 2 and a piece of crap form the looks of this trailer.

A.)

B.) Have you seen the comments at YouTube? They are liking it alot.

 

[C. Lee]

If you can accept changes to Batman in the Burton films and Nolan films than you should be able to accept changes to the Spirit in Miller's film. Some people just can't accept changes and don't want the characters to evolve. If Batman’s wardrobe can change, I’m willing to give it a try for the Spirit.

Batman's suit has changed some over the years in the comics....the Spirit's clothes didn't. Blue suit with white shirt.

 

[rogue trooper]

I guess it's never too late for change.

....but more importantly, it will be Miller's grasp of the spirit(pardon pun) of Eisner that will make this movie.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Batman's suit has changed some over the years in the comics....the Spirit's clothes didn't. Blue suit with white shirt.

Well, for decades Batman's wardrobe was blue and grey and yellow in the comics, then Tim Burton made it all black, and kept the yellow, and there were complaints about Batman in all black too, in '89. Batman wearing black and retaining the yellow belt in the movies eventually became accepted by most fans. The Spirit wearing black and retaining the red tie in the movies seems to be becoming accepted now by most.

 

[theMan-Bat]

the look just isn't right for the Spirit. I think the criticism would be more along the lines of 'It looks unique, but just not right for the Spirit.'

The shadowy Noir look is absolutely right for the Spirit. The Spirit was a Noir comic.

 

[The Shadow]

Its too noir. I liked the noir in the comics but this is like black dark. I guess we will always have different opininions. But I am not the only one that thinks hes ruining it. I think 50% of the fans are disappointed and 50% are pleased with it. So, it just matters how you look at it. But, in my opinion its not unique at all its copying the film style of Sin City. And from the looks of the advertisements, Miller is putting sexual themes that aren't and shouldn't be in the comics. And he is focusing on it way too much. True, Eisner did use attractive women in his comics. Its the Spirit. But from the looks of it, Miller's adaptation has the spirit being intimate with every women he sees. This is not present in the Spirit and I don't like it. My opinion though.

 

[C. Lee]

Well, for decades Batman's wardrobe was blue and grey and yellow in the comics, then Tim Burton made it all black, and kept the yellow, and there were complaints about Batman in all black too, in '89. Batman wearing black and retaining the yellow belt in the movies eventually became accepted by most fans. The Spirit wearing black and retaining the red tie in the movies seems to be becoming accepted now by most.

I wasn't a big fan of Burton's vision.

I can accept the fact that comics use dark blue to represent black....but a white shirt is very hard to confuse with a black one. It just doesn't work for me.

And I agree with the Shadow's post above....sexual innuendo and flirting from the series appears to be amped up a thousand percent in the trailer.

 

[Mr. Credible]

well, that was definitely better than the teaser, which was abysmal, to say the least... "my city, she cries". what a stupid idea for a teaser/poster when hardly anyone today has heard of this guy. this new preview, though? not bad.

but it was still... weird.

the women looked hot, obviously... but i got nothing about the story from that trailer. i had no idea who the spirit is, and i still don't.

and sam jackson? terrible, as always, from what i could tell. how that man gets work i'll never know. he hasn't been good since pulp fiction.

 

[THOR]

Yeah, the teaser looked good, but I am now officially worried about this movie.

+1! The teaser got me excited, this full trailer did the complete opposite! I will wait for Netflix on this one I think now.

 

[Sandman138]

First you said it looks like ****. **** has style and merit?

Japanese pornographers seem to think so. Secondly, I said the trailer looked like ****. I then said the animation style was not without it's merits, but the trailer is **** because the merits of that style do not outweigh the deficits of applying that style to The Spirit.

It's based on Eisner's comic strip.

Didn't say the movie or the story, I was talking about the visual style. Which, in hindsight, I amended because there are definitely times where you can see the style emulating Eisner's. On the whole though, shots like that scratchy white figure moving into an explosion on a red background leave me at a loss for their influence and there are a lot of them in there.

In other words, **** with style and merit?

Actually, this time it is the other way around. There is style and merit that lacks proper execution and ends up becoming ****.

Stereotypical ****es? How exactly has Miller turned Ellen Dolan into a ****e? How are the other women ****es?

"Keep the mask on" and "You make me want to do all kinds of bad things" these are the only two lines that we are given as an introduction to her character. Both are nothing more than abject sexual innuendo and an implication of perversion. Ellen Dolan is commonly considered a proto-feminist. What in that trailer conveyed this?

The Octopus is suppose to be a badass villain.

A) Just because Samuel L. Jackson has made a career out of making his performance synomous with the concept of badass doesn't mean that it is anything more than Samuel L. Jackson's interpretation of a badass.

B) When I said badass posturing, I referring to the trailer as a whole.

 

[rogue trooper]

well, that was definitely better than the teaser, which was abysmal, to say the least... "my city, she cries". what a stupid idea for a teaser/poster when hardly anyone today has heard of this guy. this new preview, though? not bad.

but it was still... weird.

the women looked hot, obviously... but i got nothing about the story from that trailer. i had no idea who the spirit is, and i still don't.

and sam jackson? terrible, as always, from what i could tell. how that man gets work i'll never know. he hasn't been good since pulp fiction.

I'm sure when you see the actual film, everything will fall into place.

I'll fill you in a little, The Spirit/ Denny Colt was a police detective who was killed and came back to life to continue to fight crime disguised. He, basically, is after criminal mastemind The Octopus, and along the way he encounters femme fatales who want to either seduce him, kill him, or both. Again, basically.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I saw this trailer when I went to see TDK yesterday and I very much disliked it. I do believe this movie will be awful.

Oh boy Frank Miller is at it again with his sexist sterotypes and republican Bull in a horny little boys package crap again. It's in that package so he can always pretend that that isn't his agenda.

We get it frank, women are only sex objects!

 

[Nirvana]

Saw this attached to The Dark Knight. Judging by the teaser I was already really looking forward to it. I really love the way Frank Miller does the art work for his films. The trailer has me looking forward to the film more.

 

[rogue trooper]

I saw this trailer when I went to see TDK yesterday and I very much disliked it. I do believe this movie will be awful.

Oh boy Frank Miller is at it again with his sexist sterotypes and republican Bull in a horny little boys package crap again. It's in that package so he can always pretend that that isn't his agenda.

We get it frank, women are only sex objects!

I am far from republican. Everytime I see Sean Hannity I want to slap him. But this is just very hyper- sensitive of you.

Do you even know anything about The Spirit and Will Eisner?

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

I am far from republican. Everytime I see Sean Hannity I want to slap him. But this is just very hyper- sensitive of you.

Do you even know anything about The Spirit and Will Eisner?

I would guess he does, since the trailer upset him as much as it confused and/or unsettled all of the other Eisner fans (who are not unobjectively loyal to Frank Miller) who have seen it.

Besides, even if he wasn't familiar with Eisner's work, what does that have to do with this trailer... in spite of some commendable moments (which I praised in an earlier post) it reeks of Miller cliches.

Here's a thought... since you claim to be an Eisner fan... if he WASN'T familiar with Eisner's Spirit... do you honestly believe he'd get a good idea of what Eisner's work on the character is actually about?

I saw the trailer with a friend who isn't into comics last night and his response was "wow, it's a movie about sex".


Here's what an uninitiated viewer would learn about 'Eisner's' work from that trailer... There's a man who dresses up in a mask (but we don't know why) and looks for women to have sex with. He is running around in dark alleys with a gun (but we don't know why) looking for more women to have sex with. Even this Ellen woman, who seems to be some sort of positive influence on the Spirit is just looking for kinky sex ('Keep the mask on") so she can "break all sorts of rules" with him.

Then, the womens' pimp shows up ( I guess he's their pimp... he's dressed like one in some scenes and is mad at the sex guy in the mask) and is asking why the sex fiend in the mask is so into women.

And then, the sex addict in the mask floats around in some smoke with a sex woman who wants to be with him forever...

Oh, and the sex guy in the mask shoots a gun (but we don't know why)... but, I think I already mentioned that...


Seriously, I liked a LOT about the trailer (see my previous post), but I actually know these characters. If I didn't know what this trailer was for, I would think it was a mainstream release soft core porn film with some sort of gun toting nut in a mask. Honestly, the trailer doesn't even tell you WHY he's pointing a gun at a naked Sand Saref... who is she? Is he a rapist? What is his character about...? Other than sex?

Put yourself in the shoes of the general audience, who don't know Eisner from Adam... and you get reactions like "Wow! It's a movie about sex!".

 

[Jokerin2012]

The trailer got me hooked onto Spirit and now all I wanna do is learn about the Spirit.