Superman Returns New interview with mike dougherty,now Iam worried the space journey left out?

Fatboy Roberts said:
Only if their cognitive thinking is such that playing "connect the dots" in an activity book is a taxing prospect.

Seriously, no, they don't NEED to see him flying around Krypton. Again, I'd have liked to see it. I bet it was shot nicely, and the music choice was fitting. And I'm sure I'll like it when I check it out on the DVD. But as SpiderDan made very, very clear in his attempts to explain his outrage--you can get the feeling this movie wants you to get WITHOUT ACTUALLY SHOWING YOU that Supes flew there in his weird Kooshball spaceship. Hell, they managed to pull that off in a SMALLVILLE episode. You're telling me Singer/Dougherty/Harris can't pull the same thing off without a 5 minute sequence of Superman looking at space rocks?

Thats' actually a worse indictment of the filmmakers than any of the "haters" you guys rail on constantly.
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You have just opened my eyes, my friend :up:

But I hope they will show scene with Superman's spaceship arriving, will they?
 
Let me get this straight -

Does this mean that all those shots of Routh that we have in the grey suit... That scene won't be in the theatrical release? Bummer.

In that case, where the heck do you guys think the film should ideally start off? With the crash? Or with Lex?

Structurally, I think the spaceship in Krypton scene would have been an ideal intro. But what would work best now?
 
The Grey suit will still be in the movie, because he crawls out of the ship wearing it.

I agree that I thought coming out of the credits into space, then having the ship streaking towards a giant mess o asteroids would have been cool, but the alternative now is pretty much just as good. Coming out of the credits into space, and then having this ship streaking AT YOU (almost Star Wars like) past you and down to earth, cut to Martha Kent doing what she does, and then the ship disturbing her, rattling her house, and then slamming into Smallville. So she gets in her truck to go investigate--and it's her boy.

Nice, jarring opening that makes for a better introduction of Superman's return to earth, I think, plus from there, right away, you get to why he left and how he feels.
 
i want to see the ship landing !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
The Grey suit will still be in the movie, because he crawls out of the ship wearing it.

I agree that I thought coming out of the credits into space, then having the ship streaking towards a giant mess o asteroids would have been cool, but the alternative now is pretty much just as good. Coming out of the credits into space, and then having this ship streaking AT YOU (almost Star Wars like) past you and down to earth, cut to Martha Kent doing what she does, and then the ship disturbing her, rattling her house, and then slamming into Smallville. So she gets in her truck to go investigate--and it's her boy.

Nice, jarring opening that makes for a better introduction of Superman's return to earth, I think, plus from there, right away, you get to why he left and how he feels.
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Agreed :up:

And then we will see Lex in FOS, that would be great!

Spaceship's arriving will look awesome! Cant wait for this scene.
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
The Grey suit will still be in the movie, because he crawls out of the ship wearing it.

I agree that I thought coming out of the credits into space, then having the ship streaking towards a giant mess o asteroids would have been cool, but the alternative now is pretty much just as good. Coming out of the credits into space, and then having this ship streaking AT YOU (almost Star Wars like) past you and down to earth, cut to Martha Kent doing what she does, and then the ship disturbing her, rattling her house, and then slamming into Smallville. So she gets in her truck to go investigate--and it's her boy.

Nice, jarring opening that makes for a better introduction of Superman's return to earth, I think, plus from there, right away, you get to why he left and how he feels.
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When you put it that way, it now makes me think that this would be much better in fact. Even if the Krypton scene IS included, I guess that would work better as a flashback, maybe while Clark is telling Ma Kent about it. What say?

About the grey suit - those pics with him in the ship looked darn nice. Yeah, he's wearing the same thing when he comes out, but I remember Guy Dyas saying a lot about how they've improved the ship design and I'd have liked to seen that in action.
 
rohitiyer said:
When you put it that way, it now makes me think that this would be much better in fact. Even if the Krypton scene IS included, I guess that would work better as a flashback, maybe while Clark is telling Ma Kent about it. What say?

About the grey suit - those pics with him in the ship looked darn nice. Yeah, he's wearing the same thing when he comes out, but I remember Guy Dyas saying a lot about how they've improved the ship design and I'd have liked to seen that in action.
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I hope Fatboy Roberts is right and we will get Supes in gray suit and ship's arriving.

I also want to see spaceship on-screen :up:
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
you can get the feeling this movie wants you to get WITHOUT ACTUALLY SHOWING YOU that Supes flew there in his weird Kooshball spaceship.
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You can get the general idea of it, of course, but I'm sure that won't have the same emotional impact as seeing it for yourself. Otherwise, why show anything in the movie at all? Imagine if Moore & Gibbons didn't show us the giant squid and the corpses in the street in Watchmen, and instead just having Veidt say "yeah, I obliterated half the city 35 minutes ago, blow me".
 
A Kooshball spaceship would look kinda stupid.... lol
 
That's not even close to the same--again, Watchmen was BUILDING to that point, thematically, tonally, the whole shebang. The entire story goes there in that moment because it has to, that's how the entire POINT of the novel is made.

This? this happens in the very beginning. It's not built to. It just happens. And again, SpiderDan gave the best reason for it NOT to exist: If SMALLVILLE can manage to wring the feelings you need to feel regarding this theme, without having Tom Welling fly to Krypton, I'm pretty sure Dougherty/Harris/Singer can get it done without that opening shot.

Someone explain WHY this shot of mopey superman in space would increase the emotional impact of the film STRAIGHT out of the gate. You're going to go from the rousing opening credits, tracking with a starship--and then 5 minutes of Superman looking at an exploded planet and being wistful--and then turning around to go home.

WHY would that increase the emotional impact? If anything, it sets a more melancholy tone for the whole movie that might unfairly taint EVERYTHING that follows with a little too-much emo, as opposed to the mysterious setting that the ship rocketing towards earth and crashing into an old woman's farmland will bring.
 
This is just terrible news....I`M SO DISAPPOINTED AND MY FAITH IN THIS MOVIE DROPPED SO MUCH :(
 
I always felt that something more interesting should happen in the Krypton scene... otherwise it'll just come off as a weak plot device (which it may not be, but it'll look that way).

I read somewhere that there are some explosions and such. Hopefully it's more significant than that.
 
THere`s the kryptonite asteroid field, him seeing the dome, the valley of elders with statues having the S symbol...oh man...I`m so disappointed...:(

****ing WB and its running time!!! THat didn`t do anything bad to the Lord of the Rings!!
 
I just hope that what fatboy said happens,and that the movie opens with the ship in space coming back from K and then the landing.I hope that atleast we get to see the ship landing with the ground and dust coming out and the ship leaving a trail of fire behind it and not just a scene in which we see lights through the window and then when martha comes out the ship is just there.
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
That's not even close to the same--again, Watchmen was BUILDING to that point, thematically, tonally, the whole shebang. The entire story goes there in that moment because it has to, that's how the entire POINT of the novel is made.
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Ah, but the same point could have been made without showing anything, couldn't it? Veidts claims could have been simply acknowledged as being true and that's that. The point is there, minus the shock element (emotional impact).
Someone explain WHY this shot of mopey superman in space would increase the emotional impact of the film STRAIGHT out of the gate. You're going to go from the rousing opening credits, tracking with a starship--and then 5 minutes of Superman looking at an exploded planet and being wistful--and then turning around to go home.
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It might not increase the impact straight out of the gate to those not familiar with movie's premise, but it would certainly help for latter scenes in the movie. Instead of Superman having flashbacks non-stop, why shouldn't audience think back a little, mm?

WHY would that increase the emotional impact? If anything, it sets a more melancholy tone for the whole movie that might unfairly taint EVERYTHING that follows with a little too-much emo, as opposed to the mysterious setting that the ship rocketing towards earth and crashing into an old woman's farmland will bring.
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Why? Err...uhmmm...because I said so! Yeah, that's why! And you're a communist traitor! LOL
You know, you have a way with words, that's for sure. I don't think it would taint everything, as the tone of the movie would have a nice progression from doomy and gloomy Krypton to an emotionally reflective Smallville to finally lighthearted scenes with Clark back at the Daily Planet.
 
If it's mirroring STM, then the Krypton scene would fit well. But then again, it's not mirroring STM, is it? :)
 
Hey remember, when they showed spaceship in Krypton? It was in teaser.
 
Yeah, i really really liked that. It was going to be a great and mysterious build-up to his comeback. :(
 
At least IKnowJudo TRIED to explain his reasoning. So far all I'm reading is foot-stamping. I know I've laid out why i think it's a great cut, but man...how is losing a scene of a guy flying around a bunch of rocks AT THE VERY BEGINNING going to make the movie feel RUSHED?

I mean--think critically here for a second. How does that even make sense? It's the BEGINNING of the movie. Before, you began with a ship in space entering an asteroid field. Now, you begin with a ship in space rocketing towards earth. How is anything fundamentally changed in the structure of the movie to the point where losing that 5 minutes makes the movie RUSHED?

Hows. Whys. I'm looking for those. Because half of this hand-wringing seriously doesn't make any sense when you guys try to explain it.

And here's another thing--keep in mind the movie isn't REALLY aimed at hardcore superfans who eat comics for breakfast and crap film-reels of the 78 movie: You think audiences will even really GET that their first look of Superman is superman in a spaceship wearing a strange grey suit flying around a bunch of space rocks? You know how potentially confusing that might be to an audience?

"Oh. I guess that's...that's Superman I guess. He's wearing grey though. Weird. Wait, why's Superman in a spaceship? He's SUPERMAN, right? I didn't know Superman needed a spaceship. He can fly and s**t, right? What's he looking at? I'm guessing that's a blown up planet. Is Superman touring Alderaan? HA get it? I remembered that Star Wars movie thing. So..okay, is he gonna get out of the ship? He looks OH--OH IT'S KRYPTON. Okay. He's looking at Krypton. I sorta remember that dome thing. Oh, hey he's--he's turning the ship around and....and he's leaving. Okay. Wait, why is Superman in a spaceship again? He's Superman. that IS Superman, right?"

Or you have a ship looking like a comet hurtling towards earth and seeming to menace a poor old woman, who knows what's coming out of that thing. An alien? A menace? A villain? Edgar from Men In Black? The old woman goes to inspect, a hand comes out of the darkness--and it's SUPERMAN. It's Clark Kent. And that's Ma Kent! Ahhh..okay, I gotcha. Awright, so why's he look like that and where's he been? Oh, hey, cool, they're already telling us. Nice.
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
At least IKnowJudo TRIED to explain his reasoning. So far all I'm reading is foot-stamping. I know I've laid out why i think it's a great cut, but man...how is losing a scene of a guy flying around a bunch of rocks AT THE VERY BEGINNING going to make the movie feel RUSHED?

I mean--think critically here for a second. How does that even make sense? It's the BEGINNING of the movie. Before, you began with a ship in space entering an asteroid field. Now, you begin with a ship in space rocketing towards earth. How is anything fundamentally changed in the structure of the movie to the point where losing that 5 minutes makes the movie RUSHED?

Hows. Whys. I'm looking for those. Because half of this hand-wringing seriously doesn't make any sense when you guys try to explain it.

And here's another thing--keep in mind the movie isn't REALLY aimed at hardcore superfans who eat comics for breakfast and crap film-reels of the 78 movie: You think audiences will even really GET that their first look of Superman is superman in a spaceship wearing a strange grey suit flying around a bunch of space rocks? You know how potentially confusing that might be to an audience?

"Oh. I guess that's...that's Superman I guess. He's wearing grey though. Weird. Wait, why's Superman in a spaceship? He's SUPERMAN, right? I didn't know Superman needed a spaceship. He can fly and s**t, right? What's he looking at? I'm guessing that's a blown up planet. Is Superman touring Alderaan? HA get it? I remembered that Star Wars movie thing. So..okay, is he gonna get out of the ship? He looks OH--OH IT'S KRYPTON. Okay. He's looking at Krypton. I sorta remember that dome thing. Oh, hey he's--he's turning the ship around and....and he's leaving. Okay. Wait, why is Superman in a spaceship again? He's Superman. that IS Superman, right?"

Or you have a ship looking like a comet hurtling towards earth and seeming to menace a poor old woman, who knows what's coming out of that thing. An alien? A menace? A villain? Edgar from Men In Black? The old woman goes to inspect, a hand comes out of the darkness--and it's SUPERMAN. It's Clark Kent. And that's Ma Kent! Ahhh..okay, I gotcha. Awright, so why's he look like that and where's he been? Oh, hey, cool, they're already telling us. Nice.
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:up::up:

Good argument
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
At least IKnowJudo TRIED to explain his reasoning. So far all I'm reading is foot-stamping. I know I've laid out why i think it's a great cut, but man...how is losing a scene of a guy flying around a bunch of rocks AT THE VERY BEGINNING going to make the movie feel RUSHED?

I mean--think critically here for a second. How does that even make sense? It's the BEGINNING of the movie. Before, you began with a ship in space entering an asteroid field. Now, you begin with a ship in space rocketing towards earth. How is anything fundamentally changed in the structure of the movie to the point where losing that 5 minutes makes the movie RUSHED?

Hows. Whys. I'm looking for those. Because half of this hand-wringing seriously doesn't make any sense when you guys try to explain it.

And here's another thing--keep in mind the movie isn't REALLY aimed at hardcore superfans who eat comics for breakfast and crap film-reels of the 78 movie: You think audiences will even really GET that their first look of Superman is superman in a spaceship wearing a strange grey suit flying around a bunch of space rocks? You know how potentially confusing that might be to an audience?

"Oh. I guess that's...that's Superman I guess. He's wearing grey though. Weird. Wait, why's Superman in a spaceship? He's SUPERMAN, right? I didn't know Superman needed a spaceship. He can fly and s**t, right? What's he looking at? I'm guessing that's a blown up planet. Is Superman touring Alderaan? HA get it? I remembered that Star Wars movie thing. So..okay, is he gonna get out of the ship? He looks OH--OH IT'S KRYPTON. Okay. He's looking at Krypton. I sorta remember that dome thing. Oh, hey he's--he's turning the ship around and....and he's leaving. Okay. Wait, why is Superman in a spaceship again? He's Superman. that IS Superman, right?"

Or you have a ship looking like a comet hurtling towards earth and seeming to menace a poor old woman, who knows what's coming out of that thing. An alien? A menace? A villain? Edgar from Men In Black? The old woman goes to inspect, a hand comes out of the darkness--and it's SUPERMAN. It's Clark Kent. And that's Ma Kent! Ahhh..okay, I gotcha. Awright, so why's he look like that and where's he been? Oh, hey, cool, they're already telling us. Nice.
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Very Nice Fatboy...You Da Man :up:
 
He's been going on trying to make everyone agree with him for the past few pages. Deal with it fatboy, not everyone likes it like you...Geez

Your not going to change my mind. Its like your working for WB...
 
On second thought... it might not have been cut at all. We might be reading too much into what was said.

Then again, that's what we always do. :)
 
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