No X-4

[N_z0]

Let's face it... Wolverine is the most popular character among comic fans, cartoon fans and movie fans alike. He will always be the center of it all; he brings in the money. Not to mention you can do more with him... His healing factor has allowed for him to do unthinkable things, such as facing Phoenix (Which, to me, still seemed outside of even his boundaries). His adamantium skeleton gives Magneto a toy to play with (What if Cyclops was in the forest scene? He wouldn't be able to be thrown out...). So many unfortunate factors make Wolverine the lead.

Your reasoning is sorely lacking. It didn't have to be Wolverine to take out Jean. If they wanted to Storm to take her out, they could have. If they wanted a team effort, they could have written it that way. They wanted Logan to take her out so they had the scene play out where she would try to to demolecurize Logan but his healing factor would help him out. Had they wanted to kill Wolverine in that scene (HA!) they could have.

I agree though, with the X-men Wolverine is the most popular character among the general audiences.

 

[triplefive]

Your reasoning is sorely lacking. It didn't have to be Wolverine to take out Jean. If they wanted to Storm to take her out, they could have. If they wanted a team effort, they could have written it that way. They wanted Logan to take her out so they had the scene play out where she would try to to demolecurize Logan but his healing factor would help him out. Had they wanted to kill Wolverine in that scene (HA!) they could have.

I agree though, with the X-men Wolverine is the most popular character among the general audiences.

Wolverine stabbing Jean is one of the places where they chose to stay true to the source material.

ETA: perhaps "stay true to" is too strong. They chose to use an event from the source material.

 

[XCharlieX]

And might i say the language barrier between comic and film is the reason many folks on these kinds of boards diss great films. I dont speak comic. I speak film.

 

[triplefive]

And might i say the language barrier between comic and film is the reason many folks on these kinds of boards diss great films. I dont speak comic. I speak film.

It's an expectation thing. Comics are meant to create mental imagery, and we all have different ideas of how we expected things to play out.

 

[danoyse]

But ah, can sombody pull up a list of people who produced X-3. I heard that Jackman was a producer...if so that would x-plain alot. Ditto with X-2, somebody please check on that.

He didn't produce X2. John Palermo was one of the producers on X3, and he is Hugh's business partner in his new production company, Seed Productions, which will be producing the Wolverine movie.

But again, it's a good business move. To go from an actor unknown in the US, who replaced the first actor to play the role in the first film--to an opportunity to have a producer role in a sequel, who wouldn't be crazy to go for that opportunity?

It's the same with Halle. She didn't have much of a role in the first two movies...and is in place to want (and get) a bigger role.

It's not a case of people having no respect for their characters, it's simply a smart business move.

 

[danoyse]

Your reasoning is sorely lacking. It didn't have to be Wolverine to take out Jean. If they wanted to Storm to take her out, they could have. If they wanted a team effort, they could have written it that way. They wanted Logan to take her out so they had the scene play out where she would try to to demolecurize Logan but his healing factor would help him out. Had they wanted to kill Wolverine in that scene (HA!) they could have.

Well, it was a team effort to get to Jean...they had to take out Magneto first, and that meant Bobby stopping Pyro, Storm creating a fog so Colossus could toss Wolverine and distract Magneto so Beast could give him the cure. It was only then that Wolverine went after Jean...and he was the only one who could logistically get close.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

agreed, if storm got close, she's dead like anyone else... only thoose with quik healing factors ( deathstrike can too) can get near her

 

[XCharlieX]

I wonder if colossus skin would rip apart.

 

[Neto Magnus]

you ppl have it all wrong. What they should've done was throw Leech at her.

 

[XCharlieX]

How can anyone throw leech that far when they have no powers? lol

 

[danoyse]

you ppl have it all wrong. What they should've done was throw Leech at her.

But he only takes away powers at a certain range...what if she blew him up before they could get him close? They wouldn't risk a kid like that.

 

[danoyse]

How can anyone throw leech that far when they have no powers? lol

That's right...good point!

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

yea, the steel.

 

[Neto Magnus]

How can anyone throw leech that far when they have no powers? lol

Storm coulda made a tornado dealy like she did with Wolverine in X1. (which made no sense in that movie)

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

LOL... Nice coinsedence...(i think i spelt the word wrong)

 

[TrailerCues]

Storm coulda made a tornado dealy like she did with Wolverine in X1. (which made no sense in that movie)

Storm would have to be pretty far away from Leech & would have to make one hell of a Tornado in a matter of minutes & also in X1 they had Jean to control Wolverine landing where he did. How would Leech get to his target with no one to control his flight ? & Storm can not be anywhere near Leech so not even that would work

 

[XCharlieX]

Storm coulda made a tornado dealy like she did with Wolverine in X1. (which made no sense in that movie)

Ah

Mother Nature knows her craft well.

And if a psychic was there they could do it too i think. A physical toss is what confused me.

Toss the child. lol

 

[ntcrawler]

Wolverine stabbing Jean is one of the places where they chose to stay true to the source material.

ETA: perhaps "stay true to" is too strong. They chose to use an event from the source material.

Except that in the source material Wolverine doesn't do it or distract Jean because he claims to love her, but because Jean asks him to, knowing he's the only one that can do the job. What was the death tally in Endsong? At least 6 times, 4 successful and 2 unsuccessful attempts at "snikting" her.

 

[ntcrawler]

Well, it was a team effort to get to Jean...they had to take out Magneto first, and that meant Bobby stopping Pyro, Storm creating a fog so Colossus could toss Wolverine and distract Magneto so Beast could give him the cure. It was only then that Wolverine went after Jean...and he was the only one who could logistically get close.

Only because the writers who put the movie together said so. It'd steal away from Wolverine's screen time if anyone else tried to directly appeal to Jean. I can't possibly believe that Jean would feel no connection at all to Hank or Ro, people she's known for years and years, instead of just to Logan, who she's known for not more than 1-2 weeks.

 

[Goddessreicho]

He didn't produce X2. John Palermo was one of the producers on X3, and he is Hugh's business partner in his new production company, Seed Productions, which will be producing the Wolverine movie.

But again, it's a good business move. To go from an actor unknown in the US, who replaced the first actor to play the role in the first film--to an opportunity to have a producer role in a sequel, who wouldn't be crazy to go for that opportunity?

It's the same with Halle. She didn't have much of a role in the first two movies...and is in place to want (and get) a bigger role.

It's not a case of people having no respect for their characters, it's simply a smart business move.

I could have sworn that Hugh was an X-3 producer, but your prolly right. I knew he had tight connections to it tho. Oh well, I was only a little off.

So very true. If anyone of those cast members has the oppurtinity to carry on the franchise it's Hugh and Halle. They have the power, prestige, postioning, and the money to make it happen. If there is more to the franchise, expect ALOT more of Halgh!

 

[Majik1387]

How can anyone throw leech that far when they have no powers? lol

It would be a group effort.

 

[ntcrawler]

Storm would have to be pretty far away from Leech & would have to make one hell of a Tornado in a matter of minutes & also in X1 they had Jean to control Wolverine landing where he did. How would Leech get to his target with no one to control his flight ? & Storm can not be anywhere near Leech so not even that would work

The scenario as set up in the movie wouldn't work simply because you're missing useful team members (probably to ensure Jean's timely demise). Besides, Leach is not the only one who can steal powers. There's a certain southern belle who could take off her gloves, roll up her sleeves to expose as much skin on her arms as possible, and then with Kurt's help instantly BAMF over to Jean and give her a great, big power-sucking hug. And Rogue gives killer hugs you know. Then get Leach over there as quick as possible and sit down next to Jean. Jean would still be mighty upset and freaked out, but at that point her only weapons would be her fingernails and teeth

Anticlimactic? Perhaps. But if it means saving a life, I'd rather settle for a practical solution like this than unnecessary drama. One less grave in the backyard is always a good thing. Jean's worth the effort IMHO. She saved all their lives in X2, they should at least try to repay her by saving hers when she needs them most.

 

[N_z0]

Well, it was a team effort to get to Jean...they had to take out Magneto first, and that meant Bobby stopping Pyro, Storm creating a fog so Colossus could toss Wolverine and distract Magneto so Beast could give him the cure. It was only then that Wolverine went after Jean...and he was the only one who could logistically get close.

This is a movie. Characters are put in situations by the writers. If they want something to happen they'll do it. With the case of the X-men films, Fox gives said writers a list of things they want to happen.

 

[Neto Magnus]

Storm would have to be pretty far away from Leech & would have to make one hell of a Tornado in a matter of minutes & also in X1 they had Jean to control Wolverine landing where he did. How would Leech get to his target with no one to control his flight ? & Storm can not be anywhere near Leech so not even that would work

Storm can still blow him towards that direction in order for Leech to get close.

 

[ntcrawler]

With the case of the X-men films, Fox gives said writers a list of things they want to happen.

It's a pretty straightforward yet demanding list. Kill him and her, get rid of this one and that one, these two fall in love, that one gets to be the hero, these three disappear for no reason, etc.