Time to give X-Men 3 some recognition...

[Theweepeople]

FOR BEING INCLUDED INTO BOX OFFICE MOJO'S 214 MOVIE LIST OF BIGGETS SECOND WEEKEND DROPS.


Cheers. Hip hip hoorah!!!!

X-Men The Last Stand ended up being 72th on the List.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm?page=2&p=.htm






Fascinating. I searched throughout the 214 list and I could not find X-Men 1 and 2. Also, I could not find Spiderman 2 which had a 200 million budget(only 10 million less than X3) or Spiderman 1. I did find that 4 other comic book classics such as Catwoman, Batman and Robin, Constantine, and Blade II all had smaller 2nd weekend drops than X-Men 3. The two comic book classics that had higher drop offs are Electra and Hulk.






After analyzing the budgets and critic reviews of all 214 films I came to the conclusion that most of these films had one or two things in common.
Critics either hated the movies or the films had weak profit percentages.







Props to Fox for deceiving the majority the X-Men 3 fanbase before the movie came out and for destroying a significant portion of the fanbase. The last time I saw a similar trend was the transition between Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. The main difference was Batman Forever had a good domestic gross considering it's budget. X3's domestic gross is pretty weak and if an X-Men 4 is made by Fox it will bomb just like Batman and Robin did.

 

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I doubt it about the bomb thing if they made a 4th.
Especially if you take into acount that most of the general public like the movie.

 

[Theweepeople]

I doubt it about the bomb thing if they made a 4th.
Especially if you take into acount that most of the general public like the movie.

I personally know people that loved the movie and I know people that hated it so your comment about the general public liking this film is not true. TLS is clearly the most polarizing of the 3 X-Men films. I know people who liked X-Men 1 and 2 and some who thought the first 2 movies were okay. However, I don't have any friends or acquaintances who disliked the first 2 X-Men movies. On the other hand, most people I know who've seen X-Men 3 either love it or hate. These movies in a franchise don't bode well for future sequels to be made because the polarizing attitudes of the fans generally indicates the movie has flaws and the fanbase feels betrayed.

 

[ntcrawler]

I personally know people that loved the movie and I know people that hated it so your comment about the general public liking this film is not true. TLS is clearly the most polarizing of the 3 X-Men films. I know people who liked X-Men 1 and 2 and some who thought the first 2 movies were okay. However, I don't have any friends or acquaintances who disliked the first 2 X-Men movies. On the other hand, most people I know who've seen X-Men 3 either love it or hate. These movies in a franchise don't bode well for future sequels to be made because the polarizing attitudes of the fans generally indicates the movie has flaws and the fanbase feels betrayed.

Right on!

I have heard disappointments and nitpicks about the first two, but never the level of anger that the third movie generated. It really is a sign that something is wrong, regardless of what box office profits say.

 

[PoSeiDon]

kewl. here is to X4!

 

[ntcrawler]

kewl. here is to X4!

Now that's one movie that everyone can stand united FOR! cheers!

 

[borinquenknight]

Only if its done right! Avi needs to police Fox!

 

[MaleRogue]

No we just need an X4
WHOEHOE D

 

[Theweepeople]

Only if its done right! Avi needs to police Fox!

I will never trust Avi again. I remember a year ago after the Ain't it cool script review of X3 was released Avi called X-Men fans who didn't like the script idiots!!! Then he and Fox both said the script reviewed was old and many changes to it had been made. So Avi and Fox basically spent a whole year lying to fans about what was going to be in X-Men 3. Therefore, I would like to see an X-Men movie made by another movie studio. Once Marvel gets the rights back to X-Men from Fox then the franchise will be in good hands. Marvel should get the rights back in 4 years. Since Fox is going to make spinoff movies(Wolverine and Magneto) they won't have time to make actual X-Men films before their contract with Marvel runs out.

 

[borinquenknight]

Then I take back the Avi statement. But would really like to see a Dreamworks Xmen.

 

[danoyse]

Oh lord, do some people need lives.

Wow, the movie is number 72!!! Oh, it's all over now.

Honestly, could you be any more obsessed with that second week drop?

And considering "Pirates" had a $55 million opening day, I have to imagine (unfortunately), that "Superman" will be joining that list quickly as well.

Theweepeople, unless you have actually conducted a survey with every single member of the general public, you do not know what they think.

In fact...head over to Entertainment Weekly's mid-year movie winners/losers article...and find this:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1210545_1_0_,00.html

WINNERS
X-Men: The Last Stand So what if director Brett Ratner tends to come off as a tad...crass? And so what if you think that he's a hack? He's having all the laughs now. Ratner stepped in late in preproduction and piloted X-Men: The Last Stand to a shockingly stupendous opening; it's the biggest earner in its series and it's really 2006's only smash hit to date. That's especially good news for star Hugh Jackman, who stands to profit immensely from his own Wolverine spinoff franchise.

Other winners include Sony and Brian Grazer (for "DaVinci Code" which also received mixed reviews and had significant drop in it's 2nd weekend), Tyler Perry (for "Medea"), Vince Vaughn, and horror movies, due to the big opening day for "The Omen". I should point out that "The Omen" had significant drops as well.

"Losers" include Tom Cruise for MI3, WB for "Superman Returns" (and EW is owned be the WB) and the underperforming "V For Vendetta", "The Lake House, and "16 Blocks," Lindsay Lohan, Basic Instinct 2, and aging action stars.

And I should point out that while I was being completely sold out from every theater playing "Pirates of the Carribean" last night...X3 was still playing at every single theater.

What bomb is still playing over a month later?

 

[Theweepeople]

Oh lord, do some people need lives.

Wow, the movie is number 72!!! Oh, it's all over now.

Honestly, could you be any more obsessed with that second week drop?

And considering "Pirates" had a $55 million opening day, I have to imagine (unfortunately), that "Superman" will be joining that list quickly as well.

Theweepeople, unless you have actually conducted a survey with every single member of the general public, you do not know what they think.

In fact...head over to Entertainment Weekly's mid-year movie winners/losers article...and find this:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1210545_1_0_,00.html



Other winners include Sony and Brian Grazer (for "DaVinci Code" which also received mixed reviews and had significant drop in it's 2nd weekend), Tyler Perry (for "Medea"), Vince Vaughn, and horror movies, due to the big opening day for "The Omen". I should point out that "The Omen" had significant drops as well.

"Losers" include Tom Cruise for MI3, WB for "Superman Returns" (and EW is owned be the WB) and the underperforming "V For Vendetta", "The Lake House, and "16 Blocks," Lindsay Lohan, Basic Instinct 2, and aging action stars.

And I should point out that while I was being completely sold out from every theater playing "Pirates of the Carribean" last night...X3 was still playing at every single theater.

What bomb is still playing over a month later?

I knew you couldn't resist posting a message in this thread. Too bad your response has almost nothing to do with my initial post. Like I have told you a number of times statistics speak for themselves. You and entertainment weekly can tell me that the general audience enjoyed X-Men 3 but, the numbers say something different(profit percentage baby).

By the way, I never said X-Men 3 was a bomb. Merely, a box office domestic disappointment.

 

[danoyse]

I knew you couldn't resist posting a message in this thread.

Because it's so entertaining.

Too bad your response has almost nothing to do with my initial post.

Sure it does. You're basing the entire future of X-Men on it's 2nd weekend. Oooh, #72. Is that supposed to be an intimidating number? Top 10, maybe...but 72?!

Like I have told you a number of times statistics speak for themselves.

Well, only the statistics you seem to count. X3 is also:

-First film of the year to reach $200
-Right now the highest grossing film of the year (Pirates should take care of that soon, though)
-Highest grossing film of the entire series.
-Has pushed the X-Men films over $1 billion worldwide.

You claim this film wasn't very profitible for Fox...which considering how much they spent making it, won't be as high as the first two on it's own.

However, with the DVD (however many versions they decide to release, not to mention the inevitible box set of the entire trilogy) still come, and several spinoffs in the works....this franchise has been quite profitable for Fox.

That's why they call it a franchise, as much as I hate to use the word.

You and entertainment weekly can tell me that the general audience enjoyed X-Men 3 but, the numbers say something different(profit percentage baby).

Actually, Entertainment Weekly gets their info from Exhibitor Relations, http://www.ercboxoffice.com/erc/main.html, so they're not just pulling figures out of the air.

And read the response above again about "profit percentage, baby."

By the way, I never said X-Men 3 was a bomb. Merely, a box office domestic disappointment.

Hardly.

 

[javon]

FOR BEING INCLUDED INTO BOX OFFICE MOJO'S 214 MOVIE LIST OF BIGGETS SECOND WEEKEND DROPS.


Cheers. Hip hip hoorah!!!!

X-Men The Last Stand ended up being 72th on the List.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm?page=2&p=.htm






Fascinating. I searched throughout the 214 list and I could not find X-Men 1 and 2. Also, I could not find Spiderman 2 which had a 200 million budget(only 10 million less than X3) or Spiderman 1. I did find that 4 other comic book classics such as Catwoman, Batman and Robin, Constantine, and Blade II all had smaller 2nd weekend drops than X-Men 3. The two comic book classics that had higher drop offs are Electra and Hulk.






After analyzing the budgets and critic reviews of all 214 films I came to the conclusion that most of these films had one or two things in common.
Critics either hated the movies or the films had weak profit percentages.







Props to Fox for deceiving the majority the X-Men 3 fanbase before the movie came out and for destroying a significant portion of the fanbase. The last time I saw a similar trend was the transition between Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. The main difference was Batman Forever had a good domestic gross considering it's budget. X3's domestic gross is pretty weak and if an X-Men 4 is made by Fox it will bomb just like Batman and Robin did.

That is Great! Go X-men 3!

 

[liamoversion2]

Because it's so entertaining.



Sure it does. You're basing the entire future of X-Men on it's 2nd weekend. Oooh, #72. Is that supposed to be an intimidating number? Top 10, maybe...but 72?!



Well, only the statistics you seem to count. X3 is also:

-First film of the year to reach $200
-Right now the highest grossing film of the year (Pirates should take care of that soon, though)
-Highest grossing film of the entire series.
-Has pushed the X-Men films over $1 billion worldwide.

I take it now that you're just doing this for fun yeah?

What exactly does that prove? It made so much money so quickly because of the insane fanbase who had waited three years for it. Isn't that much completely obvious to you?

 

[danoyse]

I take it now that you're just doing this for fun yeah?

What exactly does that prove? It made so much money so quickly because of the insane fanbase who had waited three years for it. Isn't that much completely obvious to you?

Or the ones who just can't let it go because they didn't like it.

#72?? Is that what you're all clinging to now?

I'm just stating that it's been successful enough to keep the franchise going for Fox...and hardly a box office disappointment.

 

[Theweepeople]

Because it's so entertaining.

So much for your "someone needs a life quote."

Sure it does. You're basing the entire future of X-Men on it's 2nd weekend. Oooh, #72. Is that supposed to be an intimidating number? Top 10, maybe...but 72?!

How many more times are you going to take something I said out of context? I did not base the entire future of X-Men on it's 2nd weekend. This thread was started to simply show that X-Men 3 falls into a category of films on box office mojo that either struggled to make domestic money past their budgets or were hated by critics. Also, yes that is an intimidating number unless you can tell me about how great the majority of the other 213 movies on that list are.

Well, only the statistics you seem to count. X3 is also:

-First film of the year to reach $200.

So was the Matrix Reloaded which critics hated. It must be a coincidence that The Matrix Revolutions bombed. Or could it be that despite the fact that The Matrix Reloaded made a lot of money the fanbase was destroyed with this film along with the future Matrix movies.

-Right now the highest grossing film of the year (Pirates should take care of that soon, though).

See above rebuttal.

--Highest grossing film of the entire series.)

Austin Powers 3 was the highest grossing film of it's series. That does not make it a good movie.

Has pushed the X-Men films over $1 billion worldwide.

Yes and the spiderman series will have doubled that amount a year from now after Spiderman 3 comes. That's what happens when a movie studio gives a comic book director artistic freedom to develop a great film.

You claim this film wasn't very profitible for Fox...which considering how much they spent making it, won't be as high as the first two on it's own.

Of course I said this and my profit percentage statistics completely back up my claims.

However, with the DVD (however many versions they decide to release, not to mention the inevitible box set of the entire trilogy) still come, and several spinoffs in the works....this franchise has been quite profitable for Fox.

That's why they call it a franchise, as much as I hate to use the word.

This came out of nowhere. What does this have to do with my last response?

Actually, Entertainment Weekly gets their info from Exhibitor Relations, http://www.ercboxoffice.com/erc/main.html, so they're not just pulling figures out of the air..

Interesting article. However, it fails to refute the validity of my statistics.

 

[Theweepeople]

Or the ones who just can't let it go because they didn't like it.

#72?? Is that what you're all clinging to now?

I'm just stating that it's been successful enough to keep the franchise going for Fox...and hardly a box office disappointment.

The 72nd statistic is not all we have. You must have a short term memory because you keep forgetting my profit percentage statistics.

 

[Celestial]

Here's some simple figures:

On X3's second Friday, when it dropped 77.1% from the previous Friday, it took $10,309,481.

On SR's second Friday, when it dropped only an estimated 55.6% it took just $7,100,000 (estimate).

So would you rather have the lower percentage drop or the higher box office?

 

[CapBeerCino]

So would you rather have the lower percentage drop or the higher box office?

I'd rather have a better movie than what we got

 

[Celestial]

I'd rather have a better movie than what we got

I always want a better movie than the one I got. In this case, the one we got was better than I was expecting.

 

[CapBeerCino]

I always want a better movie than the one I got. In this case, the one we got was better than I was expecting.

In that case I'm scared to think of what you were expecting...

 

[JubJub BONKS]

Where the **** was Nightcralwer! Anmd where the maother ****ing hell was GAMBIT?!?!

 

[danoyse]

Interesting article. However, it fails to refute the validity of my statistics.

I have yet to see you back up your own statistics. In fact, you've said yourself that math is not your best subject.

Now I work in marketing, so let me explain a few things. And if you respond to any of this with "this has nothing to do with my post", you are clearly not reading them.

-You're calling X3 a disappointment because of it's profitablity. These movies are ranked according to their box office gross, not the profits the studio made. When you see that list at the end of December with the Top 10 highest grossing movies of the year, it's a good bet you'll see X3 on that list.

-$238 million, not to mention $400 million+ overseas, is an impressive number. $122 million opening weekend is an impressive number. First to reach $200 million in a year after a box office slump is an impressive number. A third film that pushed it's series over the $1 billion mark is an incredibly impressive number.

In terms of marketing, you don't go on about how much the studio made on it. You point to those numbers, which as I've said, are quite impressive, and go from there....into sequels, spinoffs, etc. Which for X-Men, are already underway. It's up to the studio to decide how much they're going to spend from there.

-Want an example? Take Hugh Jackman's Broadway show, "The Boy From Oz." Big hit musical, right? Well...mostly.

The show opened in October 2003 to not-great reviews, and the box office was slow enough that the theater columnists started swinging around like vultures claiming the show was a flop, would close by Christmas, and that Hugh had basically screwed his own career by taking a year off from action movies to place a song-and-dance man.

Well, that didn't happen. Word got out on Jackman's incredible performance (I saw the show, I can say it was incredible), and by January, it was the hottest ticket in town. The show was selling out every night, and got 5 Tony nominations.

But Jackman was slated to leave the show in September, and the show hadn't recouped it's investment. Technically, it wasn't a hit. They couldn't find an actor to replace Hugh so the producers asked him to extend his contract, but he was due to start another film (and at that point, was doing 8 shows a week on a broken foot), and wasn't able to stay.

So how did they make their money back? They opened up the house seats for the last weeks of performances, sold them for a staggering $350 a ticket, which sold out in a day. And when Hugh played his final performance in September 2004, the show had managed to recoup it's investment. Even the theater vultures were waving their white flags and calling it a hit.

Was the show a blockbuster? Not really. I don't think any investor got rich off of that show. But it is still..a hit, Tony-award winning musical.

As for Hugh? His career has skyrocketed since the show, even more since the first X-Men movie. They're even restaging the show in Australia right now as an arena tour. He could come back to Broadway reading the phone book for 2 hours and people would invest their money in a heartbeat.



Now, before you respond with one of your trademark "that has nothing to do with my original post" comments...it has everything to do with it.

The show didn't make a lot of money for their investors, but it was hit...one that opened up a lot of doors to make more hits.

The fact that the show barely recouped, or that X3 might not be as profitable...is just a footnote. It's for industry people to worry about.

 

[Theweepeople]

Here's some simple figures:

On X3's second Friday, when it dropped 77.1% from the previous Friday, it took $10,309,481.

On SR's second Friday, when it dropped only an estimated 55.6% it took just $7,100,000 (estimate).

So would you rather have the lower percentage drop or the higher box office?

Of course I would rather have the higher box office figures but, not at the expense of destroying half the fanbase and hurting the future of sequels and spinoffs.

Why do these arguments about how X-Men 3 is a domestic box office disappointment always degrade to Superman vs. X-Men or DC comics vs. Marvel comic wars? I want all comic book movies to be successful.