The Dark Knight Rises Nolan not coming back?

[Crook]

BB was an epic movie about the beginning of Batman. TDK was a crime drama about the same guy. Why would a thriller be any worse then what we have already? Are you really wanting another crime drama? I think a mystery would be a good evolution to the series. We don't need anything epic, and we don't need another crime drama, so a mystery thriller sounds pretty good to me.

Why is a mystery worse then a drama? Diminish the crowd?

I never said I wanted another crime drama, though that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, given a different approach is taken. Godfather 1 and 2 shared many storytelling parallels yet both stood out as separate movies on their own right.

Memento was specifically cited as a guideline for the next movie. I do not think it needs to be spelled out that Memento was a much more slower and smaller narrative built for a niche audience. The sequel needs to expand or keep the

Couldn't you have said the same about TDK as apposed to BB? Look how it turned out? It was a success if you ask me. What are you thinking about?

TDK wasn't about mystery, so what are you talking about? The aspect that worried me about TDK was not enough action and too serious in tone for a summer movie. The story alone was fine.

Although I want a film that is more of a murder mystery/thriller, believe me I still want some summer movie action in it as well.

Take TDK, Nolan said he wanted to make a big city kind of crime drama. Well he did, but how many other crime dramas have that much explosive action not to mention that wild of a chase scene. Quite a few have chase scenes and some action elements but not on TDK's level.

Basically let me rephrase what I want that I should have stated in full in my original post. A murder mystery/action type of film. I didn't bother to really mention the action element before because that's always going to be standard with any film based on a comic character.

I'm in full agreement. All I'm arguing is the standards or level of thrill should not be lowered in fear of not topping TDK. They should be kept consistent or go over the expectations held by the prior film. Basic sequel rules.

 

[Batman137]

random, but i love nolan

 

[CJ]

Compared to the city-wide scale the Joker wreaked havoc on? Yes. Quite.

I agree with everything Crook has said thus far.

TDK had Gotham go through complete mayhem, chaos and anarchy. and they're going to follow it up with Batman solving riddles? No.

While Riddler does seem the logical choice, given everyone probably wants to know Batman's identity, since he's accused of murder, Riddler's still boring as hell and a total weakling.

IMHO, The only way to follow up TDK is to recast the Joker. Nobody can top Heath's preformance, but i'm sure Nolan could find a talented actor who can give us a more than enteraining take on the character.

Besides, Joker and Batman are destined to fight each other forever. Joker's busted out of jail dozens of times in the comics (And in TDK) And we're supposed to believe he's going to stay locked up for the rest of his life? Bull. He's going to find a way out.

Joker's been around for ages, you can't just have one actor pass away and suddenly throw away a great storyline (TDK's sequel was supposed to feature Joker as the main villain) just becuase of his unfortunate death.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

im pumped for inception! have no idea what it's about but still....

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

i agree with everything crook has said thus far. Tdk had gotham go through complete mayhem, chaos and anarchy. And they're going to follow it up with batman solving riddles? No. While riddler does seem the logical choice, given everyone probably wants to know batman's identity, since he's accused of murder, he's still boring as hell and a total weakling. The only way to follow up tdk is to recast the joker. Nobody can top heath's preformance, but i'm sure nolan could find a talented actor who can give us a more than enteraining take on the character. Besides, joker and batman are destined to fight each other forever. Joker's busted out of jail dozens of times in the comics (and in tdk) and we're supposed to believe he's going to stay locked up for the rest of his life? Bull. He's going to find a way out. Joker's been around for ages, you can't just have one actor pass away and suddenly throw away a great storyline (tdk's sequel was supposed to feature joker as the main villain) just becuase of his unfortunate death.

o-p-i-n-i-o-n.

 

[BestGirl]

I agree with everything Crook has said thus far. TDK had Gotham go through complete mayhem, chaos and anarchy. and they're going to follow it up with Batman solving riddles? No. While Riddler does seem the logical choice, given everyone probably wants to know Batman's identity, since he's accused of murder, he's still boring as hell and a total weakling. The only way to follow up TDK is to recast the Joker. Nobody can top Heath's preformance, but i'm sure Nolan could find a talented actor who can give us a more than enteraining take on the character. Besides, Joker and Batman are destined to fight each other forever. Joker's busted out of jail dozens of times in the comics (And in TDK) And we're supposed to believe he's going to stay locked up for the rest of his life? Bull. He's going to find a way out. Joker's been around for ages, you can't just have one actor pass away and suddenly throw away a great storyline (TDK's sequel was supposed to feature Joker as the main villain) just becuase of his unfortunate death.

Or replace the Joker with multiple villains. Batman battled the Joker throughout most of TDK and Two-Face at the end. Give him three supervillains in BB3 like Catwoman, the Riddler, and someone else. That should give Batman a challenge and entertain the audience.

Just don't allow it to turn into SM3.

 

[CJ]

Not opinon.

FACT.

 

[CJ]

Not opinon.

FACT.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Not opinon.

FACT.

not FACT. FAIL.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Or replace the Joker with multiple villains. Batman battled the Joker throughout most of TDK and Two-Face at the end. Give him three supervillains in BB3 like Catwoman, the Riddler, and someone else. That should give Batman a challenge and entertain the audience.

Just don't allow it to turn into SM3.

the problem with SM3 wasnt the amount of people, it was the execution of them. BB & BR sowed us that as long as they are all intermingling plots that have to do with each other, you can have many people in a movie.

just my two-cents.

 

[Figs]

I'm in full agreement. All I'm arguing is the standards or level of thrill should not be lowered in fear of not topping TDK. They should be kept consistent or go over the expectations held by the prior film. Basic sequel rules.

See, were on the same page then.

I sure as **** don't want the thrills or edge of your seat anticipation/excitement to be lowered either. I just want a good portion of the film to be Bruce/Batman trying to solve some **** in the batcave and on the streets. I still want some major action whether it's a bit of Batman fighting or another chase or something else waste. I just don't want a similar crime drama theme but more of a mystery one...but with some good action in the mix.

 

[Naked Shia]

Anarchy is nothing near chaos. A lot of people tend to melt these to concept but they have nothing in common.

I'm for the mystery thriller. But it should end with a BG figt scene: with batman fighting at least twenty thugs at the same time. In the small street, say a dead end, without the possibility to escape and timerunning against time for sme reason. This kind of huge, epic fight could be the last action scene we need.

 

[Charlie The Red]

Well man, something tells me Batman's going to kick ass in the movie one way or the other. I think your wish will be granted, perhaps not in that way.

 

[Figs]

not FACT. FAIL.

Agreed.

 

[Golgo-13]

You don't scale things down coming off the biggest film of the decade. You guys are crazy.

Yes we know, but trying to top it with the 'bigger and better' attitude most likely will be disasterous.

Nolan said that TDK was gonna be a different film from what BB was, before he started shooting it. Make Batman 3 a different film from TDK, and not TDK sequel.

 

[jmc]

Even though Batman 3 shouldn't be scaled back, the problem is where do you go after TDK? Bigger explosions and more action for the sake of it? Do we want it turned into some Michael Bay-esque piece of garbage?

 

[Fresh Prince]

Even though Batman 3 shouldn't be scaled back, the problem is where do you go after TDK? Bigger explosions and more action for the sake of it? Do we want it turned into some Michael Bay-esque piece of garbage?

Hey watch ya mouth boy yo. But listen best way is not try to compete but make a great movie. Simple as that. Besides the action can be better. And well yeah just bascially try and make it a great movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That's all well and good, but there was still plenty of spectacle within all those little character moments. None of us can deny that the action and thrills of the movie allowed for a wider demographic going to see it.

You diminish this crowd greatly if you were to scale it down into a mere mystery thriller. That might have been ok for the first introductory film, but not when you're following up a juggernaut.

I'm sure we'll still have spectacle, it just might not be the big "look at this building explode" kind. It might be in the fight scenes, chase scenes, ect.

And yes, the big explosions and such where exciting, but if you ask anyone what the most intense part of TDK was, most people will tell you it's the ferry scene, and that scene didn't have any explosions. What was one of the most talked about Joker scenes? The magic trick, and the first scar speech. Again, no explosives.

What interests the audience is a compelling villain. If it was all about the SPX, Hannibal Lecter would not be one of the most beloved villains of all time.

 

[Alex Logan]

Not opinon.

FACT.

No, not fact. Nice try though.

 

[firstclassclown]

Nolan has nearly a billion reasons to come back. And his first reason is to continue/complete a great story. Too many open holes and possibilities for a great director to pass up. Nolan = Greatness

 

[terry78]

You have to top an actual tractor trailer flipping over on LaSalle St. onto its back. You have to.