Nordic Aliens

[Shivsguy616]

Then the explanation for Thor is that he's a Norse God. There is no explanation how gamma rays create giant green monsters, or how a spider bite can alter someone's DNA, regardless of radiation. These things just happen, but since they're veiled by the explanation of "science" some people think that that makes them more acceptable on face value. It's ridiculous.

Exaclty! Without suspending our disbelief, there would be no superheros in these films!

 

[The Infernal]

This thread misses the point like the thread in the Captian America movie section claiming that his serum is a steroid and that they should change the movie to remove it.

Don't turn them into something they're not.

 

[afan]

What needs to be explained? They live in seperate dimentions.

There is an explanation: They're gods. Why can Thor control the weather? He's the god of thunder. Why is Thor stronger than almost everyone? He's a warrior god. Why does Thor have a magic hammer? Gods are magical. Pretty simple.

These are explanations...........That's all I'm saying, Thor and Asgard need to be explained.

 

[Shivsguy616]

These are explanations...........That's all I'm saying, Thor and Asgard need to be explained.

So, what's the problem?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This thread misses the point like the thread in the Captian America movie section claiming that his serum is a steroid and that they should change the movie to remove it.

Don't turn them into something they're not.

Exactly. Why ruin the concept of the gods? It's a fine concept on its own. It doesn't need to be further explained with aliens who visited Earth and, what, liked the Vikings' beards and helmets so they stuck around, modeled themselves after the Vikings, and decided to subjugate them? Beyond being unnecessary, that's just a stupid explanation.

 

[afan]

So, what's the problem?

No problem...........I may have misinterpreted some of Corp's earlier posts. I thought he was dismissing the need to explain Thor and Asgard.

I do however believe that godhood for Asgard and Asgardians is more problematic than an inter-dimensional type explanation.

 

[Drz]

Apparently. I still don't understand why it's such a big deal for the Asgardians to simply be the gods of Norse myth. Just leave their origins vague if it's such a huge problem. Leave the alien crap for Earth X.

Because then they're gods with logic. People forget that a God is someone worshipped and that can create live. Hence they are still gods, but with actual logic behind them.

 

[Shivsguy616]

No problem...........I may have misinterpreted some of Corp's earlier posts. I thought he was dismissing the need to explain Thor and Asgard.

I do however believe that godhood for Asgard and Asgardians is more problematic than an inter-dimensional type explanation.

Oh, okay. I see it as one in the same.

 

[The Infernal]

I do however believe that godhood for Asgard and Asgardians is more problematic than an inter-dimensional type explanation.

If you're any bit religious you might have to rethink that. I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean that people worshiped these gods for centuries and other religions still thrive. How is a story about an outdated pantheon any less or more believable than half the stuff that people subscribe to through their worship?

 

[Vartha]

Nothing confusing......the Marvel Movieverse explains it's inhabitants, giant green monsters are created by gamma radiation, wall-crawlers are bitten by radioactive spiders, etc. . They may be fantastically impossible explanations but they are explanations for the existance of Marvel's heroes. My only point is Thor, the inhabitants of Asgard and the relationship they share with Earth will also need an explanation.

WHY do they need explaining?
We as mortals don't comprehend the science of magic, why even go into the explaination in a movie that has limited time to tell a story?

I don't recall ONE person questioning the ,magic in any of the LotR films came from. Or even any of the Camelot realted films.

The only thing I've heard to explain any of the Asgardian beliefs so far is the unseen World Tree connects us all. WHY go into any other detail on something that's unseen to mortal eyes let alone understood by the mortal mind?

 

[Shivsguy616]

If you're any bit religious you might have to rethink that. I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean that people worshiped these gods for centuries and other religions still thrive. How is a story about an outdated pantheon any less or more believable than half the stuff that people subscribe to through their worship?

I didn't think that this was the issue in question... but if it is, I agree.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Because then they're gods with logic. People forget that a God is someone worshipped and that can create live. Hence they are still gods, but with actual logic behind them.

That's an entirely abritrary definition of a god. The pagan gods didn't all just create life as a matter of course, they each had specific functions. You seem to be equating the word "god" more with the Abrahamic, big-G God, who's omnipotent. The pagan, little-G gods were just powerful beings who were connected to Earth and served some function in nature.

Odin was said to have created humanity with Ask and Embla, but again, why would that ever be something that would come up in the film? The Greek gods appear all the time without referencing their creation myths.

 

[The Infernal]

I didn't think that this was the issue in question... but if it is, I agree.

Yeah, I was just taking that one part of the statement and making the arguement that there isn't a great need for explenation since people have believed similar things througout the ages through actual religions and not just an entertaining story.

Just want to point out that I'm not really religious but can easily comprehend the concept without a need to have every aspect explained to me.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Just want to point out that I'm not really religious but can easily comprehend the concept without a need to have every aspect explained to me.

Yeah, exactly. One wouldn't make such leaps of faith in real life for obvious reasons, but in a film, the purpose of which is escapism and entertainment, illogical things are accepted.

In Ironman 2 for example; Tony's particle collider is clearly too small and imprecise to be of any use, but one takes the leap of faith and just enjoys it for what it is.

 

[afan]

WHY do they need explaining?
We as mortals don't comprehend the science of magic, why even go into the explaination in a movie that has limited time to tell a story?

I don't recall ONE person questioning the ,magic in any of the LotR films came from. Or even any of the Camelot realted films.

The only thing I've heard to explain any of the Asgardian beliefs so far is the unseen World Tree connects us all. WHY go into any other detail on something that's unseen to mortal eyes let alone understood by the mortal mind?

Where did I mention magic?

I think, unless again I am mis-understanding posts, most agree that the relationship between Earth and Asgard needs to be explained. It's the nature of the explanation that is a sticking point.

 

[afan]

If you're any bit religious you might have to rethink that. I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean that people worshiped these gods for centuries and other religions still thrive. How is a story about an outdated pantheon any less or more believable than half the stuff that people subscribe to through their worship?

Not even a bit.........my point isn't about the validity of any religious tenet....it's more about the practicality of Asgard,s explanation. If it is another dimension there can be a science to it's connection, it can make sense,i.e. if Asgardians can travel to Earth, Earthers can travel to Asgard.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

... and get kicked right back out by Heimdall.

 

[SuperFerret]

Earthlings. I don't know where this Earther thing came from, but it's bad.

And they're gods, that alone should explain how they can cross from Asgard to Earth, but normal mortals can't cross over to Asgard.

 

[afan]

... and get kicked right back out by Heimdall.

......after he checks the guest list.

 

[Vartha]

Where did I mention magic?

I think, unless again I am mis-understanding posts, most agree that the relationship between Earth and Asgard needs to be explained. It's the nature of the explanation that is a sticking point.

Asgardians are Magically based like the wizards in LotR to some extent Afan. Tolkien didn't explain too much of them other than they're a higher Being.
See someone with the movie mentioned the World Tree (the Norse axis through the nine worlds) connecting us all, Gods, giants, elves, dwarves and mortals.
It's a tree we mortals can't see. I'm not really sure Asgardians can't without magic either, but it's there.

 

[Vartha]

......after he checks the guest list.

heh I'd laugh if Lucly the Leprechaune were on that list.t:

 

[SuperFerret]

Yay verily! The hammer of Thor, son of Odin, shall help thee defend thy cereal from the pilfering children who plague thee!

 

[Vartha]

So Ferret any NEW new's on Thor toys you know of?

 

[Manowar]

Argued this before.........featuring Olympians in films based on mythical events like Jason and the Argonauts, or Clash of the Titans is one thing but featuring Oympians in a "real world" is another; to put them in a "real world" some relational expanation is necessary, the sticking point is how exhaustive the explanation must be.

The movie Hercules in New York stariing Arnold S. was a "real world" setting.

HAHAHA

 

[Webhead2006]

i am curious to see how the whole asgardian deal is going to be in the film.