Norman is so macho

[Immortalfire]

Downing that liquid before the lab test, then throwing down and smashing the vial. Then later throwing the liquor glass away, breaking it of course, when talking to his alter-ego.
Oh yeah, at dinner sharpening the knife in a manly way.

His favorite snack:

Let's hear it for macho man, Norman Osborn!

 

[Hobgoblin]

Last night I realised that as corny as the Goblin was at times in the movie, he was actually more deadly than Doc Ock was. Sure, Ock had his energy machine that could have killed half of New York, but it didnt go off. Yes, he killed the doctors in the hospital, but that was his tentacles doing, Otto was aghast at what they had done. Besides that, I dont recall Octopus having killed anyone.

Then there was Norman, who set out to hurt and kill people. The board of directors? Dead. Mendel Stromm? Dead. He attcked an old lady, an innocent girl and a tram load full of children. Plus, he was indifferent to the "collateral damage" of innocent bystanders. He set off missiles and his gliders machine guns at the World Unity Festival and nearly blew up the crowded bridge when he took out the trams control station.

Green Goblin > Doc Ock

 

[matthooper]

I really think people forget how good Dafoe was in that film. Most people just focus on the rediculous helmet, but he was a badass, and truly evil.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Last night I realised that as corny as the Goblin was at times in the movie, he was actually more deadly than Doc Ock was.

Norman's scheme was what?? Get his company back. Ok, got that. Then what?? Make Spider-Man join him??

Rather disappointing grand plan. He should have had another bigger agenda too. Stan Lee always had him trying to take over the underworld. Movie Goblin just seemed to be winging it.

At least Ock had a deadly scientific scheme that threatened to demolish New York.

Sure, Ock had his energy machine that could have killed half of New York, but it didnt go off.

So what?? If a serial killer is caught before they go on a mass murder spree, does that make them any less deadly??

Yes, he killed the doctors in the hospital, but that was his tentacles doing, Otto was aghast at what they had done. Besides that, I dont recall Octopus having killed anyone.

Several people went flying thru the tram windows when he shoved the passengers aside. Watch that scene again.

Then there was Norman, who set out to hurt and kill people. The board of directors? Dead. Mendel Stromm? Dead. He attcked an old lady, an innocent girl and a tram load full of children. Plus, he was indifferent to the "collateral damage" of innocent bystanders. He set off missiles and his gliders machine guns at the World Unity Festival and nearly blew up the crowded bridge when he took out the trams control station.

Oh yes, and Ock was so concerned about collateral damage and the safety of bystanders. Tossing the huge safe door in the bank at a bunch of bank customers. Raining showers of building debris on people as he smashed Spidey into the building wall, tossing a car into a cafe full of people, throwing passengers off the train, dropping Aunt May off the building "Butterfingers", he kidnapped MJ, and sped up and the ripped the brakes out of a train full of innocent people.

Oh yeah, he was a pussycat

Green Goblin > Doc Ock

Doc Ock > Green Goblin

I'll say this, Ock may have been written differently from the comics, but when he turned into a super villain, not only did he look completely badass, but he never let any stupid citizens give him any s***.

Why the hell did Norman just stand there and let all those people toss stones and sticks etc at him?? He's a friggin' super villain, go up there and bomb their asses man. You're the Green Goblin!!!

I really think people forget how good Dafoe was in that film. Most people just focus on the rediculous helmet, but he was a badass, and truly evil.

Well his performance was hampered by that awful costume.

Dafoe has a very expressive face [remember the mirror scene], but most of the time it was hidden behind that awful mask.

Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job, but the costume diluted his performance IMO.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Norman's scheme was what?? Get his company back. Ok, got that. Then what?? Make Spider-Man join him??

Rather disappointing grand plan. He should have had another bigger agenda too. Stan Lee always had him trying to take over the underworld. Movie Goblin just seemed to be winging it.

At least Ock had a deadly scientific scheme that threatened to demolish New York.



So what?? If a serial killer is caught before they go on a mass murder spree, does that make them any less deadly??



Several people went flying thru the tram windows when he shoved the passengers aside. Watch that scene again.



Oh yes, and Ock was so concerned about collateral damage and the safety of bystanders. Tossing the huge safe door in the bank at a bunch of bank customers. Raining showers of building debris on people as he smashed Spidey into the building wall, tossing a car into a cafe full of people, throwing passengers off the train, dropping Aunt May off the building "Butterfingers", he kidnapped MJ, and sped up and the ripped the brakes out of a train full of innocent people.

Oh yeah, he was a pussycat



Doc Ock > Green Goblin

I'll say this, Ock may have been written differently from the comics, but when he turned into a super villain, not only did he look completely badass, but he never let any stupid citizens give him any s***.

Why the hell did Norman just stand there and let all those people toss stones and sticks etc at him?? He's a friggin' super villain, go up there and bomb their asses man. You're the Green Goblin!!!



Well his performance was hampered by that awful costume.

Dafoe has a very expressive face [remember the mirror scene], but most of the time it was hidden behind that awful mask.

Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job, but the costume diluted his performance IMO.

I was wondering when you would show up.

True, the movie Goblin was FAR from perfect. Was Norman trying to recruit Peter a lame idea? Yes. Should he have incinerated the idiots on the bridge that threw garabage at him? HELL yes. Was the costume a "disappointment?" Absolutely.

HOWEVER. Lets just look at the facts. Otto was a danger to New York because he continually made the same error in his machines design. Making the mistake once? Acceptable. Making the same mistake twice while being a scientific super-genius is a true WTF. He was so dangerous because he was sloppy.

Norman's plan was lame, but at least he was effective at making it happen. Being 1 for 2 is better than being 0 for 2.

 

[Venomfan]

thats funny demogoblin i thought of the exact same thing a couple of days ago aswell, norman was much more villainous then ock, and the point that doctor octupus made up there about him being more dangerous cuz of he would have destroyed new york, u know he didnt plan on doing that, and didnt think it was gonna happen, that doesnt make him as dangerous as a guy who would be willing to do that willingly.

 

[Ongie]

Macho?

I think not.

 

[The Joker]

HOWEVER. Lets just look at the facts. Otto was a danger to New York because he continually made the same error in his machines design. Making the mistake once? Acceptable. Making the same mistake twice while being a scientific super-genius is a true WTF. He was so dangerous because he was sloppy.

I think we both know that is not the case. Octavius was misguided by the tentacles.

"Rebuild?? No, Peter was right......I miscalculated"

Then arms make him believe he had not miscalculated. That it was in fact working.

And you really can't diss Otto's scientific genius. He didn't test a serum on himself that had shown results of violence, aggression and insanity. Norman was desperate to save his company. Just like Octavius was desperate to make his dream come true.

See the similarity Raimi has done here?? Both became victims of their own scientific creations.

and the point that doctor octupus made up there about him being more dangerous cuz of he would have destroyed new york, u know he didnt plan on doing that, and didnt think it was gonna happen, that doesnt make him as dangerous as a guy who would be willing to do that willingly.

What difference does that make?? Whether he intended to or not, the fact is he was extremely dangerous because he was building something that would destroy the city, and he wasn't letting anyone stop him, and was willing to do ANYTHING to do it.

If you really want to split hairs, did Norman intend to destroy New York?? It looks like he was just trying to save the business he spent years building. And recruiting Spider-Man on side because he saw him as his only possible threat.

And LMAO! at Ongie's pic What movie is that from??

 

[Hobgoblin]

Macho?

I think not.

Boondock Saints is the movie.

Willem makes a damn fine woman. Um.....yeah. *puke*

No diss was intended on Otto's genius. Well, we can all agree that we have two supervillains that were badly watered down from what they could have been.

 

[matthooper]

Well, we can all agree that we have two supervillains that were badly watered down from what they could have been.

The helmet is the only problem I have with GG, and I have no problems with Ock. You couldn't have the exact same villians from the comics, it's a live action movie. You have 40 years of history to pack into a 4 hours of movie. An exact translation of any comic character would come out corny.

I think both villians pretty were done well. Most comic purists would have had a problem no matter how they were handled. I've loved Spider-Man since I was 3, and reading the comics up until about 10 years ago, and I thought they were both fine.

...but

...with all that said,

maybe they were watered down a bit. But not badly. It had to be done.

 

[The Joker]

No diss was intended on Otto's genius. Well, we can all agree that we have two supervillains that were badly watered down from what they could have been.

Definitely. Octavius more than Osborn though. The Goblin was written closer to the comics in characterization than Ock was.

Anyways, this thread is about Dafoe being macho. He was definitely that. How brutal was the final battle battle between him and Spidey??

Spidey got owned

 

[Hobgoblin]

Yes. He was definitely owned.

Norman could have been more badass and gone after a few industrial rivals, but his general attitude of entitlement was great. Taking a piece of Aunt May's desert, "Do what you have to with her and then broom her fast", "Out...am I???" The list goes on.

I love how when he is talking with Harry in the beginning and he is insulted he would drive a mere Jetta instead of a Rolls Royce in order to satisfy his moron son. Punk kid.

 

[Immortalfire]

Driving a Jetta is definitely, not macho.

 

[tzarinna]

Dafoe's body/GG > Doc Ocks body

 

[ReptileOrion]

Norman was the man in the first film. A lot of people talk about the costume but I didn't have a big problem with it. I would have prefered this costume over the one in the comics. I'm sorry but if Storming Norman would have had that man purse, that rubber mask, and the little elf hat the movie would have been a comedy. Here are my reasons why Norman is "macho"....

1. Tried to take control of his company situation - took the serum himself
2. Tried to recruit Spider-man - Norman is a businessman it is always good to business to try to recruit you competition. But since Norman was on the serum when Spidey refused he decided he must be eliminated.
3. Went after Spidey's family and friends.
4. Owned Spidey in the final battle

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I also thought Defoe's performance in Spidey was great, the costume never bothered me, its the performance that counts and Green Goblins was great.

 

[The Bruce]

Macho?

I think not.

 

[Dark Phantom]

Do you mind if I clarify Norman's plan. Because it seems that others are misinterpreting his intentions.

At first he did want revenge over the people that took his company, but that wasn't what drove Norman as a villian. During the mirror scene, GG says "Bringing you what you've always wanted...Power! Beyond your wildest dreams and its only the beginning!"

Right there you start to grasp Norman's plan for power. I saw it as Norman's thirst for power would soon take over NYC. So similar to how Spiderman became the hero of the city, Green Goblin would bring chaos and destruction. This is why I love how Rami wrote the first movie. It's all about the hero and villian reflecting each other. "I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero."

So Green Goblin couldn't let Spiderman stand in his way. If GG was to bring destruction and overthrow the city for a price, Spiderman would be an obstacle. So whats the best deal GG can make? "Join me, imagine what we can accomplish together. What we could create!" It's all about Norman's quest for power. He's a Jekyll/Hyde character, Norman's never felt so alive. And he thinks he's invincible, no mere citizen can harm him, except Spiderman.

And you know the rest...