Nell2ThaIzzay
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^ As a fan, I don't even think I would be interested in it if they followed the comics exactly now that I am over the age of 10.
Nell2ThaIzzay said:^ As a fan, I don't even think I would be interested in it if they followed the comics exactly now that I am over the age of 10.
EndlesIn said:What movies are those? Please share. your not thinking realistic. I love Brain Singers Vision of X-Men because he made the Characters believeable to this world. Nothing over the top just perfect. Most of the X characters would look so stupid if they kept it to the T and if they follow the Comics fully the Movies would interest people besides the Fans.
Abaddon said:So the characters of Storm,Cyclops,and Rogue were all faithfully adapted in your opinion?
FieryBalrog said:Well Cyke is also a no-nonsense leader, and he DOESNT hang on Xavier's word to do his job. In the comics when Logan and Cyke first meet and Cyke forms the new team Logan acts up, and Cyke immediately lays down the law. I would have really liked to see that. But no, Cyke is made to look dumb to make Logan look cool. In fact there's dialogue devoted to that exact purpose- like when Cyke messes up the jet landing and Logan jumps on him, there was no purpose for that scene except to hype up Singer's Mary Sue Logan. I really like the movies, but I didnt like that.
Mistopurr83 said:I never said anything about them following the comics exactly. I said I'd rather see them follow the comics accurately and "accurately" does NOT = exactly! Nell you just can't comprehend.
Nell2ThaIzzay said:They were accurate.
Nell2ThaIzzay said:They were accurate.
thegameq said:Do you think these X-films are all they could have been? Are you a fan of the comics? Make no mistake, I'm not ignorant to the myriad difficulties of bringing a complicated CB like the X-Men to the big screen, but there could have been more and it could've been better.....again, it's like it's more like someone's..... attempt at an X-Men movie.
The other thing you have to understand is that everybody knows by now---especially the fans--that you can make a CB movie faithful to the source material and have it be successful. No, it won't appeal to everyone, the scifi/fantasy genre never does. There's really no excuse anymore other than the so many that have already been mentioned--and that's just what they are, EXCUSES. As much as I enjoy the X-films, I can't consider them X-men movies because they don't come across as such. Again, they come off as someone's best try at making an X-Men movie. Almost like some kind of...quasi-scifi flick with one foot in fantasy and the other in reality.
Come on man, I'm not trying to force my opinion on you or anyone else on this board, but you must understand the fustration the fans feel. Especially knowing X-Men could've been done properly. But it just wasn't.
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!! STOP USING THE POWER RANGERS AS A COMPARISON TO AN CB X-MEN FILM!! SUPERMAN AND SPIDERMAN DID NOT COME OUT LIKE THE POWER RANGERS AND NEITHER WOULD AN X-MEN FILM!! (not aimed at you Nell) COME UP WITH A BETTER EXCUSE!
thegameq said:Do you think these X-films are all they could have been? Are you a fan of the comics? Make no mistake, I'm not ignorant to the myriad difficulties of bringing a complicated CB like the X-Men to the big screen, but there could have been more and it could've been better.....again, it's like it's more like someone's..... attempt at an X-Men movie.
The other thing you have to understand is that everybody knows by now---especially the fans--that you can make a CB movie faithful to the source material and have it be successful. No, it won't appeal to everyone, the scifi/fantasy genre never does. There's really no excuse anymore other than the so many that have already been mentioned--and that's just what they are, EXCUSES. As much as I enjoy the X-films, I can't consider them X-men movies because they don't come across as such. Again, they come off as someone's best try at making an X-Men movie. Almost like some kind of...quasi-scifi flick with one foot in fantasy and the other in reality.
Come on man, I'm not trying to force my opinion on you or anyone else on this board, but you must understand the fustration the fans feel. Especially knowing X-Men could've been done properly. But it just wasn't.
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!! STOP USING THE POWER RANGERS AS A COMPARISON TO AN CB X-MEN FILM!! SUPERMAN AND SPIDERMAN DID NOT COME OUT LIKE THE POWER RANGERS AND NEITHER WOULD AN X-MEN FILM!! (not aimed at you Nell) COME UP WITH A BETTER EXCUSE!
Mistopurr83 said:Besides, users like Nell and Sundown are just saying the things they say in order to make excuses for something they like. I don't even think users like them read an x-men comic before the movies. I bet they just saw the movie first and than did research on the comic characters on sites like uncannyxmen.net.
Sun_Down said:I've never read a comic before the movies because I disagree with you? Then I wonder where those hundreds of X-Men comics in my basement came from. I wonder where that autographed copy of X-Men #1 that I got when I was five came from. I wonder what happened to every cent I ever got in allowance as a kid or why I still spend $20 a week in my local comic book store. I always thought I was a comic book fan of nearly 15 years, but I guess because I'm grateful for the X-Men film franchise, I'm not. I guess because I don't ***** and moan like a child, I am just a bandwagoner. Thank you Mistopurr for opening my eyes.
I wash my hands of this thread. If you want to continue your pointless complaining, go right ahead without me. I'm sure the FOX execs will be listening intently.
rjb182 said:Nell2ThaIzzay, I just wanted to say, awesome post. You've summed up the whole heart and soul of the X-Men. Well done.
Mistopurr83 said:Your absolutely right about what you say. You made a lot of good points there thegameq. Besides, users like Nell and Sundown are just saying the things they say in order to make excuses for something they like. I don't even think users like them read an x-men comic before the movies. I bet they just saw the movie first and than did research on the comic characters on sites like uncannyxmen.net.
Another thing is when you make characters like Pyro, Mystique, Deathstrike, Rogue, Ice Man and others into something they NEVER were in the comics... That is NOT what I call staying faithful or accurate! A faithful or accurate adaptation would've been something more like this. The X-Men films starting out the same way the comics did, not wearing uniforms/outfits they never had on, getting romantic relationships right, not screwing up the ages of the characters and telling story arcs in a similar way. That is accuracy! The x-men films turing out so unfaithful lies on the fault of one man who didn't do his homework here. All he decides to do is watch some episodes of the 90's cartoon (the only faithful x-men adaptation made so far) and then decides to do just this and that from there. So don't bother saying the x-movies are faithful/accurate b/c if you do, that is total ******ation.
Nell2ThaIzzay said:mistopurr, never make assumptions about my X-Men fandom ever again. I have been a fan of the X-Men since long, LONG before the movies ever came out. I've been wanting X-Men movies my entire life. But I "get" the X-Men, and I realize that there is more to the X-Men than just being a bunch of superheroes with super powers. There is a true meaning there, to not only each character, but to the mythos as a whole. X-Men in general (no matter the form) suffers when it strays from it's themes of oppression, and the political commentary. When they go into space, and alternate realities, and all of that kind of stuff, it suffers. And I feel that way about the comics, cartoons, video games, and if the movies end up taking that direction in future movies.
Don't you ever question my love of these characters again.
Now to this:
First off, yes, I am a fan of the comics. I am by no means an expert on the comics, but I am a fan of the comics. And yes, I do feel that the X-Men movies were all that they could have been.
Because as a fan, I take it as a sign of respect towards the fans, and towards the mythos, that someone like Bryan Singer came along and saw these characters as *more* than just comic book characters. He saw these guys as something to be taken seriously. And yes, it would have looked like Power Rangers if it was taken out of the comics. People always bring up Spiderman as a comparrison as to why the costumes could have worked, but there is a difference here; the character of Spiderman was done in all CGI, it wasn't a guy in a bright red spider costume. There is also the fact that Spiderman isn't as serious of a superhero as the X-Men are. Spiderman is a superhero who's purpose more is towards the bright colors and fancy powers, whereas the purpose of the X-Men is more of a social commentary, with superheroes to make it more interesting. Bryan Singer even said that he tried costumes more accurate to the comics, and they just didn't work.
Someone coming in and taking these characters seriously, and portraying them in a way that can be taken seriously by everyone is a sign of respect, as far as I'm concerned. It's a director understanding that these characters aren't just comic book characters, and that these movies aren't just comic book movies. These are stories with a true message fueling them, not just "super hero has to fight super villian to save cty"... no, it's something that everyone can relate to on some level. And it's something that is very real in our world, something that has happened, something that is still happening.
The X-Men is about things like the Holocaust, the Jim Crow Laws of the south, genocide, segregation, the camps that Japanese Americans were placed in during World War 2, the destruction of the Native Americans... it is abot every kind of prejudice that this world has ever faced. And that is something that is much deeper than "Spiderman gets bit by a spider and gets super powers, and Norman Oswell's company goes bankrupt, he's exposed to a toxin, his company gets stolen from him, and he goes crazy"
No, the X-Men is about a man who survived one of the greatest horrors this world has ever faced, the Holocaust. A man who has seen first hand the destruction that can be caused through human intolerance. And a man who is a double minority; he is not just Jewish, but he is also a mutant. And the world looks dubiously towards mutants because of the potential threat they can cause. And this is a man who knows first hand what can happen because of those dubious views upon a group of people, and will not sit idly by while his people gradually lose all of their rights, and become oppressed yet again.
X-Men is also about another man, a pacifist, who believes that through hard work, patience, peace, and diplomacy, that mankind can come to accept mutants as equals, and that the 2 forms of humanity can live together in prosperity.
X-Men is about a group of young men and women who go to an institution to learn how to best utilize their powers, not just for themselves, but also for the benefit of all of mankind. It is also about another group of young men and women who are going to take action, and stand up for what they believe in, and fight for their acceptance and equality, even if their actions are a bit radical, they aren't going to sit around and accept their fate.
And Bryan Singer got that. He saw that, and that's what he made them about in the movies. Exactly what they should have been about. Unlike characters like Spiderman, the X-Men aren't about super powers and colorful costumes. They are about something much deeper than that, with special powers and colorful costumes to make it a bit interesting.
Being more "accurate", as you say, towards the comics (which, by more accurate, you just mean the stuff like powers and costumes, not the things that the X-Men is truly about, the things that truly are accurate) would mean sacrificing the emotion and heart of the storyline, sacrificing the substance, for the flash. And that is not what the X-Men is about. That would have turned X-Men into a typical summer action film, just like Fantastic 4 or Daredevil, that you all seem to despise so much. But instead we got someone who, despite not being a fan initially, saw deeper than Cyclops blasting a hole through a mountain, saw deeper than Rogue flying around throwing tanks at Sentinels, and dug deep to find out just what X-Men was truly about. And he saw it. And he got it. And he brought it to life, just the way it should have been brought to life.
I honestly feel that people who think these movies weren't accurate don't truly comprehend the true meaning behind the mythos, and the true essence that ever character possesses, beyond a costume and a power. Yes, there were some inaccuracies, such as the characterization of Storm, Iceman, and Lady Deathstrike, but other than that, everything these movies have portrayed has been spot on to what the comic books are all about.
Too bad we never see Cyclops blast a hole through a mountain and bark out orders like a madman. He is still portrayed as a leader. He is still portrayed as someone who looks towards Xavier like a father, and someone who will step up and take Xavier's role should anything ever happen to him. He is portrayed as someone with an undying love towards Jean Grey, and just because some of you can't see beyond Wolverine's screentime doesn't mean that's not how he's portrayed. He is shown as somebody who is loyal to his teammates, or rather, his family.
Too bad we don't see Rogue flying around throwing tanks. She is portrayed as someone who is very scared because of her powers, something very accurate to the comics. She is portrayed as someone afraid to hurt the ones she loves because of her powers, and as such, she is afraid to get close, just like in the comics. And this next movie seems to have her questioning herself, and whether or not she should "cure" herself... just like the comics.
If you think these movies weren't accurate, then you can't see the forest for the trees. You don't know these characters beyond their costumes and their powers. And you don't comprehend that X-Men is more than a superhero story, but a story about true to our world realities, with a message deeper than "the good guy always stops the bad guy".
Nell2ThaIzzay said:...except for the fact that Wolverine goes at Cyclops all the time in the comics, cartoons, and every other form of medium the X-Men have appeared in as well... in fact, Cyclops goes back at Wolverine quite well. In the scene in Xavier's office, when Wolverine lashes out towards Cyclops, he's ready to blast Wolverine through the walls... in the scene in Wolverine's room, Cyclops goes at Wolverine "Better be careful, I might not be there next time" What they did between Cyclops and Wolverine was perfect. Wolverine definatley came out as the *******.
And yes they got Cyclops and Rogue correct. I will agree that Storm's portrayal wasn't accurate. But Cyclops is very much like his comic book self, and I think is one of the most accuratley represented characters. Quantity of screentime does not equal quality of screentime.
Rogue is spot on too. In the comics, Rogue is very uncomfortable about her powers, and thinks of them as a curse, and wants to be cured of them. And her being unconfident as she is in the movies is a very common thing for her. Sure, when she's all sassed up like in the 90's, she's really confident. But I've also seen many times, outside of the 90's era, where she breaks down and cries over her powers. And her reaction to Iceman over not wanting to hurt him is exactly how she reacted towards Gambit in the comics.
For those who think the movies were inaccurate to the comics, I think you need to go back and actually *read* the comics, not just flipping through all the pretty pictures.