Official 2010 MLB Thread

[FaT_tONle]

I am the biggest Yankee hater on here, but Yanks are the team of the 2000's. I know you can talk about the two in four years. But that's all that is.... two in four years. The Jeter/Mo/Pettites from 2000 are still there and they have another one in 2009. They should have won a couple of more. I don't see the Red Sox holding four ALCS pennants. I see the Yanks with double that. Two championships in the decade. A split with the Sox head to head in the ALCS. MORE division titles. More playoff appearances and victories. More regular season victories. Frankly... more success. You want to talk about early post season exists... Red Sox in 2005, Red Sox in 2008. 2006 they miss it entirely. Not to mention the struggles early in the decade. Yanks have been the class of MLB for the past twenty years. The Red Sox had their moments, much like the Colts or Steelers for an NFL comparison. It does NOT make them the team of the decade when they have had it equally handed to them by the Yanks these past ten years.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I agree about Boston and all that..

let's talk contraction, not sure if it would ever happen, but if you could eliminate anything between 2 or 4 MLB teams, which teams would they be?

Oakland and Toronto. Then move 2 NL teams to the AL. I'd say Brewers and Rockies. Maybe move KC to AL West.

I am the biggest Yankee hater on here, but Yanks are the team of the 2000's.

You're wrong on both.

 

[FaT_tONle]

You're wrong on both.

Not really... at least on the latter. You are obviously a bigger baseball fan than I am, but the one thing you never were and never will be (IMHO) is an objective one. Certainly not for the Yankees.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Bowing down to the Yankees doesn't make you objective.

 

[FaT_tONle]

It's not bowing down. It's the reality. Doesn't make anyone lesser or more of a fan either way. There are the haves and have nots. Teams that are blessed and others than are not. It's not all about the money either, which I have bashed more than anybody on here.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Mo money mo problems

 

[Kingfish]

let's talk contraction, not sure if it would ever happen, but if you could eliminate anything between 2 or 4 MLB teams, which teams would they be?

I don't think there's any need to contract teams right now, but the unbalanced schedule has gotten so out of hand that realignment should be discussed (it won't).

Actually, the fairest way I've ever read was to contract (or expand) any two teams, eliminate the AL and NL, divide 28 teams into four divisions of seven teams each and everybody plays every other team twice (once home and once away). Either use the DH or don't, but make it consistent.

Makes so much sense that of course it will never come to pass.

I am the biggest Yankee hater on here.

No you're not.

(I had a whole thing of counterarguments to the rest of your nonsense post, but then I got bored with the whole ridiculous notion of a "Team of the Decade," so never mind.)

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't think there's any need to contract teams right now, but the unbalanced schedule has gotten so out of hand that realignment should be discussed (it won't).

Actually, the fairest way I've ever read was to contract (or expand) any two teams, eliminate the AL and NL, divide 28 teams into four divisions of seven teams each and everybody plays every other team twice (once home and once away). Either use the DH or don't, but make it consistent.

Makes so much sense that of course it will never come to pass.

But then we won't have 20 Red Sox/Yankee games a year for Fox and ESPN to pimp.

 

[Kingfish]

Which is why it won't ever happen.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Baseball is the only league that is still segregated. DH here no DH there. Money here no money there. Congress needs to take action. But getting rid of the AL and NL is pretty bonehead. If the AL dominance continues then maybe, but NL teams have faired well in the Series so I don't see the reason. What we need is a minimum payroll. If teams don't meet the payroll or a certain number of wins them relegate them to the minors or some ****. Put pressure from the bottom up to close the gap. And the higher teams want to spend, the higher the luxuruy tax. Mets and Red Sox need to be penalized and the Yanks need to be doubly penalized from whatever the amount is now. There HAS to be consequences when a team like the Mets/Sox/Yanks overbid for two or more of the top free agents on the market in a given year.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Congress has more important things to worry about. Unless you were joking which I think/hope you were.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The guy from Utah was going after the BCS... I am sure there is someone in there that can take on Bud "I am clueless" Selig.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Only problem I see is you don't have the Cubs and Cardinals in the same division. But it wouldn't be that big of a deal since they'd only play 6 times a year. If it really mattered, move the Pirates/Reds to the East, Cardinals in the North, and Braves in the South.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Baseball is the only league that is still segregated

They really outta let the blacks in already

 

[Poeman]

It's not the Yankees. First, let me be picky. Team =/= Franchise. A team is a single season, a franchise is the team over multiple seasons.

For franchise of the decade, it's not the Yankees. It's the Red Sox. They won 2 World Series in 2004 and 2007. That's only a 4-year span versus the Yankee's 10-year span. Their comeback in 2004 is what wins it for them. No team in baseball had ever done what they did and no team probably ever will. People forget not only did they come back from a 3-0 deficit, they won 8 straight against two 100-win teams. They also came back from a 3-1 deficit in 2007 and went on to sweep the WS and almost came back in 2008.

As for team (that is single season) of the decade, it is the 2004 Red Sox because of what they did. In fact, not only are they the team of the decade, they are going to be a candidate for team of the century when it is all said and done.

I disagree with you and kingfish...you both hate the yankees and would not want to ever say they are a great team even if they continue to win.
Everyone else is already saying the Yankees are the team of the decade in terms of accomplishments.

 

[Poeman]

it's not bowing down. It's the reality. Doesn't make anyone lesser or more of a fan either way. There are the haves and have nots. Teams that are blessed and others than are not. It's not all about the money either, which i have bashed more than anybody on here.

100% +

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

I disagree with you and kingfish...you both hate the yankees and would not want to ever say they are a great team even if they continue to win.
Everyone else is already saying the Yankees are the team of the decade in terms of accomplishments.

Depends on how you judge the accomplishments. The Yankees can be the team of the decade due to the Divisions won, games won, championships ect.

But as far as cultural and deep emotional impact of a city said team is based around, I would give it to Boston. That epic comeback in '04 will be forever etched in Boston as the team that reversed the "curse."

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

And to further my argument, two World Series titles 9 years apart doesn't exactly make one think "Man, team of the decade!" The Yankees fielded many good high-priced teams from '01-'08 but were muddled and simply embaressed by some of the terrible signings by Cashman during that span.

Jaret Wright
Jeff Weaver
Tanyon Sturtze
Javy Vasquez
Kyle Farnsworthless

The big ones were in pitching.

 

[Kingfish]

Baseball is the only league that is still segregated. DH here no DH there. Money here no money there. Congress needs to take action. But getting rid of the AL and NL is pretty bonehead. If the AL dominance continues then maybe, but NL teams have faired well in the Series so I don't see the reason.

It's not about whether the AL or NL deserve to be there anymore. It's about creating a season where (for example) teams like the Orioles don't have to play a quarter of their season against the Yankees and Red Sox. The unbalanced schedule is pretty damn ridiculous, and there's nothing fairer then everyone plays the same teams the same number of times. Imagine, no longer could anyone criticize a team by saying they didn't really deserve to be there, or sneaking in by winning a weak division.

Additionally, there wouldn't be anymore ridiculous **** like the Reds playing the Pirates 18 times a year.

Only problem I see is you don't have the Cubs and Cardinals in the same division. But it wouldn't be that big of a deal since they'd only play 6 times a year. If it really mattered, move the Pirates/Reds to the East, Cardinals in the North, and Braves in the South.

That's exactly what I was talking about, assuming you ice the A's and Blue Jays (take that Moneyball). Cubs and Cardinals shouldn't matter since they can both make the playoffs.

You could set up the Postseason a number of different ways. Four Division winners and two Wild Cards with first round byes for the best overall records. Four Division Champs, four Wild Cards (either one from each or best overall records amongst non-division winners), matchups can be determined however they want.

Seriously, this makes way too much sense.

I disagree with you and kingfish...you both hate the yankees and would not want to ever say they are a great team even if they continue to win.
Everyone else is already saying the Yankees are the team of the decade in terms of accomplishments.

It's a day after the World Series. Of course people are going to be calling them that. You might discount us for not liking the Yankees, but hell, you're a Yankee fan, so you're not exactly impartial on the matter.

Also, I hate the Red Sox just as much as the Yankees, so I'm not exactly thrilled about calling them the team of the decade. Which they are.

And to further my argument, two World Series titles 9 years apart doesn't exactly make one think "Man, team of the decade!" The Yankees fielded many good high-priced teams from '01-'08 but were muddled and simply embaressed by some of the terrible signings by Cashman during that span.

Jaret Wright
Jeff Weaver
Tanyon Sturtze
Javy Vasquez
Kyle Farnsworthless

The big ones were in pitching.

Don't forget Kevin Brown. He was kind of a big one.

 

[BlackLantern]

They really outta let the blacks in already

screw dem crackas

 

[Christopher Nolan]

you can say that the two world series title for the red sox, especially the 2004 world series title, meant much more for the franchise and baseball, but it's about accomplishments and i dont see any other team that can compete with the yankees.

 

[BlackLantern]

yea...Boston did what no other MLB team has done in 130+ years of professional baseball, and they did it to MLBs marquis franchise

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I disagree with you and kingfish...you both hate the yankees and would not want to ever say they are a great team even if they continue to win.
Everyone else is already saying the Yankees are the team of the decade in terms of accomplishments.

If they continue to win, I'll call them a great team. It has to happen first though. And I don't see this team being another dynasty.

Who is calling them the team of the decade? The "geniuses" at ESPN?

That's exactly what I was talking about, assuming you ice the A's and Blue Jays (take that Moneyball). Cubs and Cardinals shouldn't matter since they can both make the playoffs.

You could set up the Postseason a number of different ways. Four Division winners and two Wild Cards with first round byes for the best overall records. Four Division Champs, four Wild Cards (either one from each or best overall records amongst non-division winners), matchups can be determined however they want.

Seriously, this makes way too much sense.

I picked them since they're the only teams I know of with old/bad stadiums and no plans for future ones. If the Marlins weren't getting a new stadium, I'd get rid of them and the Blue Jays.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Move Atlanta to the South. I doubt anyone will miss Mets/Braves when the Yanks/Sox/Phillies are in the same division. Move Pitt/Cinn to the East to make up the slot. But they will never mess with the leagues like that. They are more likely to extend Interleague throughout the season (lessening the number of division games) than they are going for an overhaul like that. It's not terrible after looking at it, but it's too radical for MLB to adopt.

 

[cyborg ninja 14]

Don't forget Kevin Brown. He was kind of a big one.

dood, I knew I was missing someone important.

screw dem crackas