Ant-Man Official Ant-Man Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yeah, can someone refresh my memory what happened at the end? Did Hydra end up with it? Did that guy make it out of the building?

Carson swiped the Pym Particles off a body and fled. We never saw him again so presumably he got away, otherwise why show him stealing it?

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Yeah, can someone refresh my memory what happened at the end? Did Hydra end up with it? Did that guy make it out of the building?

According to Feige, the original idea for the final scene of Ant-Man was him chasing that dude down and recovering the Yellowjacket particles. But they decided to let them loose instead and did the Luis scene in its place. So he did apparently get away, but who gets the goods remains a question...

 

[cph9fa]

Part of me would like for these new Hydra goons to be working with Ward (since he seems to be the one in charge, after losing Whitehall, Bakshi, and Strucker), and for the particles to show up on Agents of SHIELD at some point in season 3. But realistically, they're probably more likely to show up either in Civil War (with Crossbones), or in Ant Man 2 (assuming they ever make one).

 

[TheVileOne]

According to Feige, the original idea for the final scene of Ant-Man was him chasing that dude down and recovering the Yellowjacket particles. But they decided to let them loose instead and did the Luis scene in its place. So he did apparently get away, but who gets the goods remains a question...

IMHO, I think I like the former scenario better.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I like the guy getting away. I think it keeps the MCU a bit more grounded if everything doesn't get wrapped in a nice little bow at the end of each film

 

[nautolis]

hey not sure if it was mentioned already in this thread, but was there a after credit scene? if yes can anyone tell me what it was cuz haven't watched the movie.

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ There are two scenes:

The first is Pym showing Hope the new Wasp suit and she says "about damn time." The second is from the dailies of Civil War. It's Cap and Falcon seeing Bucky and needing to call in help. Falcon says he knows a guy...Ant-Man will return.

Carson swiped the Pym Particles off a body and fled. We never saw him again so presumably he got away, otherwise why show him stealing it?

And I'm assuming Carson was one of the Hydra agents? A quick google search says that Mitch Carson is tied to Eric O'Grady. Definitely room for that in the future.

IMHO, I think I like the former scenario better.

I like the scene we got better because it sets up the future, it had a cool Spider-Man reference, and it was a good callback to earlier in the movie. That being said, it would make way more sense why Lang was saying "work" if that's what he was doing.

 

[Macho Mantis]

I like the guy getting away. I think it keeps the MCU a bit more grounded if everything doesn't get wrapped in a nice little bow at the end of each film

Agreed.

 

[cyclone]

Quick question for anyone that has seen it. Funko POP! are selling a 'Blackout' version of the suit, with a black helmet and different suit. Does that actually appear in the film? Thanks!

 

[Macho Mantis]

Quick question for anyone that has seen it. Funko POP! are selling a 'Blackout' version of the suit, with a black helmet and different suit. Does that actually appear in the film? Thanks!

No, not as far as I recall.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

And I'm assuming Carson was one of the Hydra agents? A quick google search says that Mitch Carson is tied to Eric O'Grady. Definitely room for that in the future.

Yeah, he was Hydra in the film.

 

[chamber-music]

deleted Prologue scene

In the final version of "Ant-Man," the film starts with Michael Douglas' Hank Pym forcefully resigning from S.H.I.E.L.D. But, as per the original script from Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish, the film was originally supposed to start out with a flashback to one of Dr. Hank Pym's missions as a way to introduce the concept of Ant-Man and his powers.

"It was basically a standalone sequence where you really did not see it was Hank Pym," said Reed. "He was retrieving some microfilm from this, originally Cuban general and then it because a Panamanian general… It really was designed in those early drafts to be almost like a Bond movie standalone scene in the beginning. It was going to show the powers. You never saw Ant-Man, it almost felt like an Invisible Man sequence, and it’s really, really cool.

As production moved ahead and Reed replaced Wright as director, later drafts shifted the timeline from the original 1960s to the 1980s -- thus necessitating the change in location from '60s Cuba to '80s Panama. Even though Jordi Molla was cast as the mission's bad guy, a general, and the scene was shot, it didn't make it into the final film.

"It started to feel tonally disconnected from the movie we were making and story-wise, and it also kind of like, it set a standalone adventure, but it didn’t just connect to the rest of our story," admitted Reed.

Since the scene was shot, Reed said it could eventually see the light of day. "We actually talked at one point about releasing like a standalone, Hank Pym as Ant-Man. Who knows if that will still happen."

From CBR

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Sounds like a good way to bring back the One-Shots, if you ask me.

 

[OcStat]

That's pretty cool, but the images in that first presentation Cross gave conveys the same idea. The scene we got and the scene mentioned above both sound like strong openings, though liked seeing what was in the final version.

I'd totally be down for that in a one shot form.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Sounds like a good way to bring back the One-Shots, if you ask me.

Yeah, especially if it's already filmed. That's a free one-shot, which is a good thing.

 

[seriesofdreams]

Yeah, especially if it's already filmed. That's a free one-shot, which is a good thing.

Yep. Done deal. Slap the 'One-Shot' moniker on it and add it to the Blu-Ray.

 

[TheVision]

I thought it was odd how Cross had this big show for his Yellowjacket suit and HYDRA and Ten Rings guys just show up there. Wheres the Avengers?!

 

[Dark Raven]

Is this deleted prologue scene meant to be where they were going to have this Castillo character who was like Fidel Castro?

I would've liked a Hank Pym mission at the beginning although I would've preferred to have actually seen him than having it like an invisible man sequence.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Did we ever find out who Patrick Wilson was supposed to be playing?

 

[Web-Head]

Just got done seeing it a couple hours ago. I really enjoyed it, as it felt different than other Marvel movies. Michael Pena and Paul Rudd were hilarious, but I was surprised there was really only 1 big fight scene. Usually there's two in superhero films, but I guess the Falcon one counts as the 2nd one. Definitely enjoyed the Spider-Man reference, pretty cool.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I usually think there are three action set-pieces in Marvel films (I haven't looked back to check). This movie definitely started slower, but that makes sense for an origin film. The first action scene, imo, was the water scene, which wasn't a fight scene.

 

[Dark Raven]

I do still think they should've kept a Hank Pym prologue at the start before the actual de-aged Michael Douglas scene. It would've started the film off with action and shown Pym doing his stuff.

Would've been cool if they even included Wasp there, showing them having further missions than just the fateful one where she sacrificed herself. Or it could even have started with that particular mission where she shrank into the quantum realm, leading to an embittered Pym in the de-aged Douglas scene telling SHIELD it's too dangerous and quitting.

 

[chamber-music]

I thought it was odd how Cross had this big show for his Yellowjacket suit and HYDRA and Ten Rings guys just show up there. Wheres the Avengers?!

Off dealing with other stuff I imagine.

 

[Guard82]

I thought it was odd how Cross had this big show for his Yellowjacket suit and HYDRA and Ten Rings guys just show up there. Wheres the Avengers?!

Probably helping to clean up more damage left over from the Ultron crisis, and training for bigger missions. A small ragtag group of Hydra goons like the one we saw in Ant-Man isn't big enough to draw the Avengers' attention. You need a much bigger, more high-tech threat like Baron Von Strucker's group at the beginning of AoU to warrant the Avengers' intervention.

 

[OcStat]

I'd imagine at this point whatever remains of Hydra knows it needs to stay underground if they're going to rebuild their organization. If they could stay hidden from SHIELD from the inside with all of their resources for decades, they should be able to maneuver in a way that keeps them off the radar.

Did we ever find out who Patrick Wilson was supposed to be playing?

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was playing Cross.