Official: Gotham City Sirens directed by David Ayer - Part 1

David Ayer wanted to work on Suicide Squad, pushed for it and looked how that turned out.

Yes, but he was rushed by the studio and was given very little time to polish it and make it good. It's more the studios fault for rushing something before it was ready than the director who was forced to meet their schedule. Yes, he didn't have to take the job but like you said, he loved the property and wanted to make it.
 
Yes, but he was rushed by the studio and was given very little time to polish it and make it good. It's more the studios fault for rushing something before it was ready than the director who was forced to meet their schedule. Yes, he didn't have to take the job but like you said, he loved the property and wanted to make it.

You can't polish doo-doo. The base plot of the movie was crap and there's no amount of tinkering that will change that.
 
Yes, but he was rushed by the studio and was given very little time to polish it and make it good. It's more the studios fault for rushing something before it was ready than the director who was forced to meet their schedule. Yes, he didn't have to take the job but like you said, he loved the property and wanted to make it.

The rushing argument doesn't really work when everything the director has done before suggests an okay movie at best had it not been rushed.
 
My point was that you guys are putting most/if not all of the blame on the director when it was the producers and the executives who pushed for a rushed release date before filming began. A lot goes into rewriting scripts and that's usually when you discover what works and what doesn't. You push conflict and emotional stakes and get rid of the fat. The problems could have been ironed out. It still could have been a turd in the end but it also could have been better.
 
The rushing argument doesn't really work when everything the director has done before suggests an okay movie at best had it not been rushed.

Based on what he did with Fury, I still firmly believe David Ayer was the right guy for the job and the property, but studio meddling does play a huge part in all of this. This is coming from someone who HATED the film.
 
Those deleted Joker scenes tell you all you need to know. They added a lot.
 
Based on what he did with Fury, I still firmly believe David Ayer was the right guy for the job and the property, but studio meddling does play a huge part in all of this. This is coming from someone who HATED the film.

I like the film, but I agree. SS was no Fury, and that's not because of the tone.
 
Is she even obsessed with him in the DCEU? It looked more like he was obsessed with her. Harley apparently cared less about The Joker than her "friends" on the squad, even though they just met.

It's been a while since I saw the film but her returning after Joker died, her look while she was on the car in the rain? Did that not show you how messed up she realised she was? And Enchantress' vision?

I thought the obsession with Joker was clear as crystal, Robbie bloody OWNED that role like a boss
 
It's been a while since I saw the film but her returning after Joker died, her look while she was on the car in the rain? Did that not show you how messed up she realised she was? And Enchantress' vision?

I thought the obsession with Joker was clear as crystal, Robbie bloody OWNED that role like a boss

Well i've seen the movie recently and the only thing that occurred to me during that scene is that The Joker pushed her out of the helicopter for this take. No way would Harley return to the squad, much less throw her puddin necklace off into the dirt when he did nothing wrong to her at all. Much less went through a huge effort rescuing her and died in the process.
 
I'm a Harley Quinn stan and I think Margot could've been waaay better as Harley. Not with her acting (excluding that accent that came and went with the breeze) but with the writing. David Ayer doesn't understand her character and if he does its on a superficial level at best.
 
Yeah, we have someone who can't even get a 1% on RT writing the movie. Meaning it's even less safe than if it were in Ayer's hands.

And I agree about Harley Quinn. They've really butchered her character a lot. Every time I watch TAS I sigh and think about how much they've unnecessarily sexualized the character.

Hard to buy the whole "obsessed with Joker" thing if she's flirting and hooking up with almost everything in sight.

Which movie was that?

Are you talking about Christina Hodson? She wrote a movie that has 6% RT. But she is not writing GCS now.

Geneva Robertson-Dworet is. She's been tipped to write Tom Raider, Sherlock Holmes 3, and GCS, none of her work has been released yet.
 
Based on what he did with Fury, I still firmly believe David Ayer was the right guy for the job and the property, but studio meddling does play a huge part in all of this. This is coming from someone who HATED the film.

Studio meddling wasn't the only problem. The plot was about a group of supervillains set to save the world from an evil witch building a CGI-mess of a machine. And to boot, it was set right after the events of BvS. As long as that premise was what they were working off of, this was always going to be heavily flawed.

A better written villain than what we got with Enchantress would've helped. And so would a more self-contained story. It was foolish to set this up as an "end of the world" event because then it begs the question of what the hell are Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, etc. doing that they couldn't step in?

That right there will always be one of my primary issues with SS. Admittedly, I do enjoy it, it is entertaining, but no matter how many times I watch, that thought is constantly roaming through my head.
 
Are you talking about Christina Hodson? She wrote a movie that has 6% RT. But she is not writing GCS now.

Geneva Robertson-Dworet is. She's been tipped to write Tom Raider, Sherlock Holmes 3, and GCS, none of her work has been released yet.

Her screenplays are on Blacklist.

Having a screenplay on Blacklist is considered prestigious as many Studios make movies based on that. Also, having a woman writer on board for the story is a plus since the movie is featuring women protagonists, we don't want women to say clunky dialogue written by Ayer.
 
Her screenplays are on Blacklist.

Having a screenplay on Blacklist is considered prestigious as many Studios make movies based on that. Also, having a woman writer on board for the story is a plus since the movie is featuring women protagonists, we don't want women to say clunky dialogue written by Ayer.

Wow, now I just want to see it in 2018 more!

Her name looks prestige :woot:
 
Geneva Robertson-Dworet is. She's been tipped to write Tom Raider, Sherlock Holmes 3, and GCS, none of her work has been released yet.

That's what I thought! I was getting very confused about this 0% RT movie. :oldrazz:
 
I'm a Harley Quinn stan and I think Margot could've been waaay better as Harley. Not with her acting (excluding that accent that came and went with the breeze) but with the writing. David Ayer doesn't understand her character and if he does its on a superficial level at best.

How so?
 
I still think Brittany Murphy was born to play Harley alongside Heath's Joker. What could've been..
 

OOOOkay. i'm not sure how best to explain it, but here we go.

The thing about Harley is, and I mean the true Harley not that monstrosity that was birthed with the new 52, is that she always had a dark side. The Joker didn't create her at all. He merely exposed what had already been there through emotional manipulation. In the wise words of Alfred, Harley was no angel. This is a woman that had no problem sexually manipulating her professors in college for good grades, even though her lack of proficiency could endangered someone. This is a woman who was planning on exploiting her patients with a tell all book for fame and fortune. In some incarnations she's even an armchair psychologist on tv a la Dr. Phil.

In spite of all this though, she's not the female Joker, unlike what some producers of the movie Suicide Squad have said. She's her own person. There's a reason why she didn't go with green hair and a purple suit when choosing her outfit at the Halloween store, and pre-new52 wasn't bleached but instead wore white makeup. True, she made herself over in his image but SHE made HERSELF. He didn't force her to do anything. She's his willing accomplice. She's not brainwashed either. Nor does she have Stockholm syndrome. People that say she does clearly don't know the meaning of the mental illness. If she's not in with The Joker she latches onto Poison Ivy and helps her with her schemes. Hell even Deadshot. Margot Robbie is right in describing Harley as a junkie, so I think she does understand the character on some level, but she's not just addicted with The Joker, it's with the life of crime in general. She views their (H,J,PI) lives as glamorous fun.

Which leads into my next point. Harley does not want to be "normal". AT. ALL. That scene with Jared Leto and Margot Robbie holding babies and kissing was a bunch of bull crap. Yes Harley wants a family with The Joker but she wants it on her terms.
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. Not with some random Joe Schmoe. In fact in "My Boyfriends Back" The Joker starts treating her right, telling her how much he loves her, etc etc and you know how she reacts?? She doesn't want him anymore!! In fact she goes to great lengths to get him back to the way he was before.

I think Suicide Squad was on the right track with Harley's character by having Harleen jump into the vat of chemicals instead of be thrown by The Joker and scream "nooo" but it's contradicted by him torturing her first. Which is just another thing that doesn't make sense from scene to scene.

Anyway, i'm not very good at doing write-ups on characters so I hope this makes sense.
 
I can't really get onboard with the "Well this one version presented this and the film shows something different so it's wrong" line of thinking, but...

She gets him a machine gun more or less because he asks. Before he ever "tortured her", etc. I think it's pretty clear she had a dark side prior to meeting him.

There's nothing in the film to suggest that she did not create herself in large part.
 
Studio meddling wasn't the only problem. The plot was about a group of supervillains set to save the world from an evil witch building a CGI-mess of a machine. And to boot, it was set right after the events of BvS. As long as that premise was what they were working off of, this was always going to be heavily flawed.

A better written villain than what we got with Enchantress would've helped. And so would a more self-contained story. It was foolish to set this up as an "end of the world" event because then it begs the question of what the hell are Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, etc. doing that they couldn't step in?

That right there will always be one of my primary issues with SS. Admittedly, I do enjoy it, it is entertaining, but no matter how many times I watch, that thought is constantly roaming through my head.

Again, how much of the narrative comes from Ayer and how much of it was studio mandated? I think it's clear that the film was made via board room rather than a singular vision.
 
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I can't really get onboard with the "Well this one version presented this and the film shows something different so it's wrong" line of thinking, but...

She gets him a machine gun more or less because he asks. Before he ever "tortured her", etc. I think it's pretty clear she had a dark side prior to meeting him.

There's nothing in the film to suggest that she did not create herself in large part.

They didn't present one version though, that's the problem. They tried to mesh together the new 52 version, mad love and an original made for movie story and it didn't work.

Ayer in this movie in general seemed to be juggling 3 or 4 different versions of the story, trying to please everyone. Instead of just picking one and going for it.
 
David Ayer is a good director. I don't know what happened with Suicide Squad. Hope this version is a big improvement!
 
Ayer is a brilliant writer as well, he wrote Training day, I dont care what nerds say, he gets a lifetime pass from me for that. If he was given more than 6 weeks, I'm sure it would have been much better. Regardless, Ayer is just directing GCS, and he is a capable director when the studio doesnt meddle. Its the writing that needs to be stellar.
 

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