Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 3

[Saint]

Oh my God. Batman is the DARK Knight. He uses the Bat persona to instill FEAR into Gotham's criminals.

Batman uses that rope to open doors and travel 20 feet. They're disposable to him. He used in that tradition. It was just to get his attention and delay him.


If you Batfans are gonna be so blind about the facts and start insulting one of the biggest Green Lantern writers in the mags history then maybe you guys should stick to the Bat Forums.




This is the Green Lantern forum and we like Johns.

Yeah, it sounds like you didn't read my post at all. I've got Batman in my avatar, so clearly I must have be insulting one of my favourite writer's at DC, and one of my favourite books.

Important fact: just because you want to believe everyone else is a raving fanboy doesn't make it so.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Psst.


Saint. Read the EDIT. Heh. I put that up a minute after I posted and seconds before you posted.

 

[Saint]

Oh please, He uses darkness and fear as a weapon, he believes in it's power to control others.

Yeah, I don't need you to tell me about Batman, thanks. The dialogue, however, makes it clear that Jordan is not talking about Batman's methodology.

He says, explicitly: "I live off other things. Light and courage." Clearly, he's comparing Batman's character to his own, not his methology--and exactly as I explained in my previous post, it's a misunderstanding I would expect from Jordan, the same way I expect Batman to misjudge him as well.

 

[Saint]

Psst.


Saint. Read the EDIT. Heh. I put that up a minute after I posted and seconds before you posted.

Ah, no worries then.

 

[Breogan]

Yeah, I don't need you to tell me about Batman, thanks. The dialogue, however, makes it clear that Jordan is not talking about Batman's methodology.

He says, explicitly: "I live off other things. Light and courage." Clearly, he's comparing Batman's character to his own, not his methology--

He’s talking about methodology and character. - Batman believes in the power of Fear (the unknown) and Darkness, they represent what he once couldn't controll as a kid, it’s what robbed him of his parents, so how does Batman the adult “control” that, by becoming it. It's who he freakin is, it’s his whole dark persona, it's how he survives - I will become it.
The things Batman uses to control others. Isn’t going to work on Jordan though, who jumps towards fear, not away from it like most.
And on top of that his weapon is light!
Get it?

Now go back to the dark broody Bat-man forums.

 

[Saint]

He’s talking about methodology and character, and batman believes in the power of Fear and Darkness, they represent what can’t be controlled, it’s what robbed him of his parents, so how does Batman “control” that, by becoming it, it is who he is, it’s his whole dark persona.

I think your assessment of Batman is simplistic and more than a little wrong, but at this point I don't see that changing. Either way, I believe the Jordan's meaning--and his mistake--are both clear, as I have previously explained.

Now go back to the dark broody Batamn forums.

Ah yes: in the mind of the raving fanboy, a person is only allowed to be a fan of one thing.

 

[The Batman]

Yeah, I don't need you to tell me about Batman, thanks.

Yeah, i hate when fanboys do that. Its condescending, really.

 

[Breogan]

If you’re a fan of "both" like me (sorry don't have a Batman avatar like you [fanboys]), you should be able to handle Johns portraying Batman using a Batarang, wanting all the info before entering a fight, and believing in fear and darkness as a source of strength and a weapon, things we know he does.
Only difference is, hear it got him knocked on his ass! So you want to say it was out of character.
Jordan had the info, he knew exactly what had to be done and what Parallax was - living FEAR! And how it was infecting everyone, including Batman. He did NOT have time to explain to an increasingly (and understandably) paranoid Batman (who like everyone is being inffected by Parallax) and is grabbing at Jordan, demanding explanations, and trying to keep him from doing what he has to do, fighting the real bad guy.

 

[Mr. Earle]

He uses it, but he does not, as Jordan says "Believe in darkness and fear." Batman's a character that runs on righteousness and will, and if he believes in anything, it's justice. That said, I expect Jordan to have a skewed idea of Batman's character, so it's okay that he thought something that was obviously wrong (just as wrong as what Batman thought of him, incidentally).

And yeah, Batman using a rope and Hal Jordan was silly. I love Geoff Johns, but unless Batman is stroking out, he's not going to use a rope on a guy with a power ring. Maybe Johns just did it because it looked cool for that last page, I dunno.

Not a big deal, though--it was Jordan's book and Batman had his role in it. Not the best Batman story, but since it wasn't a Batman story, I give it a pass. I don't mind Batman being a jerk to Hal Jordan; in fact, at that point I think it makes sense; in Batman's mind, Jordan lost the fight that Batman has faced his whole life. He was proof that even good men can be turned bad by tragedy.

Yeah but it wasnt the time for analysis and discussion. Even he should know that. This stupid scene could have happened after they defeated Parallax if Johns was so intent on having GL punch Batman.

Oh my God. Batman is the DARK Knight. He uses the Bat persona to instill FEAR into Gotham's criminals.

Batman uses that rope to open doors and travel 20 feet. They're disposable to him. He used in that tradition. It was just to get his attention and delay him.


If you Batfans are gonna be so blind about the facts and start insulting one of the biggest Green Lantern writers in the mags history then maybe you guys should stick to the Bat Forums.




This is the Green Lantern forum and we like Johns.


EDIT --- Oh and Saint at least you backed up what you thought instead of trashing the man.

Johns is an amazing writer, but he is not infalling. Get over your Hal and Johns fanboyism and look at it objectively.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I never said he was perfect. In fact outside of his Green Lantern work I could care less. I'm a fan of the Green Lantern first. If he excels at that, then he get's points in my book.


And so far so good.


I'll get over my Hal Fanboyism if you get over your Nolan Fanboyism.

 

[Breogan]

Wahhhhh Batman got puncheded!
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[Mr. Earle]

I never said he was perfect. In fact outside of his Green Lantern work I could care less. I'm a fan of the Green Lantern first. If he excels at that, then he get's points in my book.


And so far so good.


I'll get over my Hal Fanboyism if you get over your Nolan Fanboyism.

You should know better than that. I rave at Nolan every chance i get.

 

[cin0]

Why is everyone talking about Batman in a thread about Green Lantern?

 

[Mr. Earle]

Wahhhhh Batman got puncheded!
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See i was preparing an answer to your previous posts, but then i saw this post and this one:

If you’re a fan of "both" like me (sorry don't have a Batman avatar like you [fanboys]), you should be able to handle Johns portraying Batman using a Batarang, wanting all the info before entering a fight, and believing in fear and darkness as a source of strength and a weapon, things we know he does.
Only difference is, hear it got him knocked on his ass! So you want to say it was out of character.
Jordan had the info, he knew exactly what had to be done and what Parallax was - living FEAR! And how it was infecting everyone, including Batman. He did NOT have time to explain to an increasingly (and understandably) paranoid Batman (who like everyone is being inffected by Parallax) and is grabbing at Jordan, demanding explanations, and trying to keep him from doing what he has to do, fighting the real bad guy.

and i was like screw that idiot. He's a troll.


Good day to you "sir".

 

[Franklin Richards]

I know. That's the joke.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Why is everyone talking about Batman in a thread about Green Lantern?

Nobody's talking about Batman. They're talking about Green Lantern punching Batman.

 

[protocida]

^ And how utterly UNACCEPTABLE that is.

 

[Motown Marvel]

unless theres a flag involved!

 

[Mr. Earle]

^ And how utterly UNACCEPTABLE that is.

No, punch Batman all you like, but no matter how you cut it, that scene is horrible and reeks of fan service.

I wouldnt have a problem with Hal punching Batman if he was asking for explanations after the fight. Also, tying a GL with a rope is as effective as tying a bull by a thread. That was pretty stupid, but hey, look at that Batman used his weapons and Hal melted them away with a thought. Silly bat!

Then, as Saint pointed out, its ok if Hal misinterprets Bruce's ideals, but in reality its just that: A misinterpretation. Sinestro believes in fear. Batman only uses it as a weapon to gain an advantage in fights, not as an ideal. He believes in justice shown every time he extends a helping hand to villains who wish to reform. He wants to make Gotham and the world a better place, not a darker place.

Finally i think that the hate between them is forced. Everybody should be hesitant with Hal after what he did, but not even Batman would go to these lengths. They kept that up for quite a while even after Hal explained what had happened until that reconsilitation issue came out and put this feud to rest. And i didnt even like Bruce punching Hal in that one. If i was a fanboy i would scream with joy but that only made Bruce look small. They shouldnt have been punching each other to begin with.



tl;dr I have a big problem with fan service and jobbing characters, no matter who they are. I wouldnt like it for Hal, just like i am not liking it for Bruce. Notice how i never once talked about Bruce's fighting skills and whether Hal could land a punch without using the ring. Seriously, punch that ass**** all you like, i dont care for the martial arts arguement.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i dont think batman ever thought for a second his rope could hold hal, rather it was just a dick way to get his attention.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I guess...

 

[HighFivingMF]

So guys! Besides Hal, Sinestro, Abin, Tomar-Re, and Kilowog which Lantern were you happiest to spot in the footage?

 

[protocida]

Batman wasn't trying to truly stop Jordan, he was trying to contain him in order to demand answers. And really, Batman believes in fear and darkness as a weapon to enact justice. That is pretty clear. If that wasn't the case, he wouldn't be... you know, Batman. The DARK knight who strikes FEAR in the hearts of the supersticious and cowardly lot of criminals.

And remember the time frame of the story. Batman was being a dick to everyone by the time.

 

[Breogan]

So guys! Besides Hal, Sinestro, Abin, Tomar-Re, and Kilowog which Lantern were you happiest to spot in the footage?

Saalak, Stel amd Chaselon who was a nice surprise since we hadn't seen the concept art for him yet.
But really everyone. The Corps shots were a dream come true, just looked fantastic!

And I'm all for getting this thread back on topic.

There’s a couple of good shots floating around but InterestingJohn (and others) on the GL Corps forums did a great job of highlighting several of the more recognizable characters, in case anyone missed any.

I'll post these on the Corps character specific thread too, to spread the awesome!

 

[dnno1]

The one identified as Lok Neboora is actually Rot Lop Fan (Lok Neboora is actually a frog-ike being similar to Green Man). I thought that the one identified as "New Character" was Boodika without here helmet.