Comics Official JEAN GREY/PHOENIX Discussion Thread

[Snikt 6]

If Jean comes back to life she's still technically married to Scott, right? How long before he springs the divorce papers on her, heh.

Or him spring them on her......

 

[Manic]

If Jean comes back to life she's still technically married to Scott, right? How long before he springs the divorce papers on her, heh.

I don't think they still count as being married. Otherwise, that made Scott a bigamist during that brief period where Maddie came back to life.

 

[Havok83]

I don't think they still count as being married. Otherwise, that made Scott a bigamist during that brief period where Maddie came back to life.

Scott was never a bigamist as he was only married to Maddie. He didnt marry Jean till almost a decade later

 

[Manic]

Scott was never a bigamist as he was only married to Maddie. He didnt marry Jean till almost a decade later

I meant later than that. Some time after Scott & Jean got married, X-Man (with his wacky, ill-defined uber-powers) accidentally brought Maddie back to life.

Scott married Maddie.
Maddie died.
Scott married Jean.
Maddie came back to life.

 

[Havok83]

I meant later than that. Some time after Scott & Jean got married, X-Man (with his wacky, ill-defined uber-powers) accidentally brought Maddie back to life.

Scott married Maddie.
Maddie died.
Scott married Jean.
Maddie came back to life.

except Maddie wasnt really alive. She was a psychic construct. Theres lots of loopholes around this situation. One can say she was never really legally married to Scott as she was a clone and given a false identity by Sinister. Her marriage to Scott could be considered invalid as Madelyne Pryor never legally existed. That was all fabricated

 

[ChaosJosh]

Jean/White Phoenix may be making a cameo in the What If: Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire story.

In it, Vulcan gets the powers of the Phoenix and one of the pages shown at CBR shows him encountering the Phoenix Corp.

The pages aren't colored but there is a young human male (probably Quentin) with the Corp and a human female (Jean?).

 

[javon]

I like this for some reason.

 

[Canemacar]

Reminds me of X-men The End.

Gambit looks like he belongs in a hair metal band.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Gambit looks like he belongs in a hair metal band.

You're saying it as if it was a bad thing. Sleaze rock PWNS. t:

And yeah, kinda like that pic too. Cheesy scene, but what can you do, eh?

 

[Canemacar]

Angel's smile creeps me out. It's like he's saying "Come and get it, baby!"

 

[Manic]

I find it even weirder that Kurt's tail is wrapped around Warren's arm.

 

[Canemacar]

I find it even weirder that Kurt's tail is wrapped around Warren's arm.

And he appears to be humping the back of Beast's head.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And he appears to be humping the back of Beast's head.

Well, everyone appears to make some sort of physical contact.

Kurt just decided to take advantage of it.

 

[Canemacar]

Hank's gonna have a bastard of a time getting the stuff out of his hair.

 

[Manic]

Hank's gonna have a bastard of a time getting the stuff out of his hair.

Especially with Kurt's 12 penises, or whatever the hell Austen retconned into his pants.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What cracks me up is the others are RIGHT NEXT TO THEM and don't say/do a thing.

Hank: Scott, Kurt is...

Scott: Not now, Hank, this is important.

Hank: But...

Scott: Later, Hank.

Hank: There won't be a.... Awwww. EEEEEWWW. I'm soooo going to kill you, Kurt.

 

[Canemacar]

I love that Gambit looks like he doesn't even care. It's like he was just walking by and clapped Bobby on the shoulder as the pic was taken.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Meh, it's Pete's pose that rather cracks me up.

He's just, what, standing in the hangar and brooding while holding that pose?

 

[ChaosJosh]

Quotes about Jean from various recent interviews.....

Since you guys seem aware of loads of X-continuity, if you could go back and change something about the X-Men, what would it be?

BRUBAKER: I’d have it not become popular. [Laughs] And not spawn off 18 spinoff titles. I don’t know. How can you do that? How can you choose one thing from back in time? I guess I would—

CAREY: Not bring Jean Grey back. Not have Jean sleeping underneath the Hudson Bay.

BRUBAKER: Yeah. I would undo the initial Jean Grey resurrection. Having her come back and be the Phoenix is fine because the Phoenix is reborn. What is that, X-Factor #1 where the Phoenix turned out not to be Jean Grey? I still refuse to acknowledge that whenever I’ve written anything about Jean and Phoenix. As far as I’m concerned, Jean Grey was killed on the moon [in Uncanny X-Men #137].

CAREY: Yeah.

BRUBAKER: And the Jean Grey that came back is the same Jean Grey as that one. I refuse to believe that Phoenix and Jean Grey were two separate entities.

CAREY: Yeah, it sucks.

BRUBAKER: That ruins the whole “Phoenix” storyline as far as I’m concerned. “Oh, so it wasn’t really Jean Grey? Scott’s just like sleeping with some weird entity that disguised herself as Jean Grey and left her in a cocoon that looks just like the one that Adam Warlock was in?” If you wanted to bring Jean back, there was a million ways that you could’ve done it.

CAREY: You just go crazy at that point because it’s like you have to unlearn two or three years of story. It’s like Bobby Ewing in the shower [on the TV drama “Dallas”].

BRUBAKER: Ah, Bobby Ewing in the shower.

YOST: I honestly don’t know what I would change. Beyond Phoenix, so much would unravel if you undid something because it’s all so complicated. I think that’s one of the biggest problems with getting new people in.

We had one other burning question for Lowe that just had to be asked. We were actually joking a bit, but the answer we received was... not entirely what we were expecting. The question? "It is a common theory that a subtitle for Messiah Complex might as well be 'The Return of Jean Grey'. Any comments for fans expecting to see the Phoenix rise yet again?" Here is Nick's response, along with a quick reaction from a guest editor:

Lowe: "That's a really interesting question. There are certainly some similarities to historical or religious messiahs and the Phoenix, with rising from the dead, etc… And there are also some metaphorical similarities to mutant-kind's plight. Their hope for the future has burned to ashes. If I say any more I might get fired.

Axel Alonso: "Nick, you're already fired."

Wait, what? What does that mean? Phoenix is returning? Or should we just take this as a metaphor and let it be... hmmm. Damn. Now we have more questions than we did when we started this thing! Guess we'll all have to read the series together to find out just what lays in the ashes of the mutant race.

Q: Godlike 10-29-2007 08:09 PM; JoshuaChayne 10-30-2007 11:27 AM

I know this is a long-shot, but is it possible that the newborn mutant baby from Messiah CompleX is actually Nate Grey reincarnated?

NL: The baby is not Nate Grey. Sorry, Godlike. But that would be cool, wouldn’t it? You know, if the baby was someone reincarnated.

Is there any chance that the new mutant baby might be Jean Grey after being hatched or literally reborn? After all, Jean Grey as Phoenix is a Messiah like character in the X-Men comics. She dies to return and when she does come back she can offer salvation or damnation. Also many religions including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have used Phoenix symbolism and iconography at certain times in their histories.

NL: Again, that’s an interesting theory that I can neither confirm nor deny.

 

[Nature's Rising]

This thread dies and resurrects as often as Jean herself.

 

[Manic]

"I live again! Again!"

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

I don't know if I'd like Jean to come back as a baby. After all, she's supossed to resurrect through a Phoenix egg as we saw in "Here comes tomorrow" and I want Jean in her adult form. Maybe if they accelerate the baby's growth or something.

 

[Havok83]

a baby idea would be the worst thing they could do. But hey I guess we Jean fans cant really complain much since we are getting absolultey nothing right now. If she ages as fast as Cable did during HoM, then it wouldnt be as bad

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, they could age her like Vulcan.

 

[Havok83]

Well, they could age her like Vulcan.

Jean and Vulcan shouldnt be referred to in the same sentence