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Comics Official JEAN GREY/PHOENIX Discussion Thread

We all loved 90's Jean. Just give us that Jean back, and throw a phoenix logo on her costume. Seriously. It's the best compromise. Let's have her be uber-powerful only when she flies head-first into the sun again.
 
I don't think she is gonna be back in 2008. Maybe in 2009. Although I really wonder why Marvel uses her so much lately (appearance in previous UXM issue, teaser poster in SI, etc). They like to tease us a lot...
 
From several spoilers I've read it seems she
makes an appearance in SI 1, wether it's her or a skrull we've yet to know
 
It'll be a Skrull. Case closed. Moving on.
 
Newsarama has solicts up for August and there is a Jean Grey: Origins Mini coming. Yay! Any Jean is good Jean at this point.

Edit: Looking back, it doesn't say if it is a mini or a one-shot
 
Here's the cover. It looks great. LOVE that Jean is getting her own book. She's always tagged along with someone else. I hope its a mini

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It's not Newsarama, it's CBR and it's just a one-shot like the Colossus one that came out last week. IT looks pretty crappy because everytime they "re-tell" the origins of the characters they tend to "forget" things or to add things that weren't there in the first place. I abhor such one-shots and if I had my way I'd burn them all to hell :D
 
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X-MEN ORIGINS: JEAN GREY
Written by SEAN MCKEEVER
Art and Cover by MIKE MAYHEW
From the moment Professor Xavier arrived on her doorstep, young Jean Grey knew things would change forever. But she was never prepared for how strange life at the Xavier Institute could be - or just how dangerous she truly was. Will she be able to harness her budding powers in time to prove herself a hero? Or will the ghosts of her past haunt her forever? Sean McKeever and Mike Mayhew bring you the first adventure of the X-Men’s mightiest mutant. Guest starring the original X-Men!
32 PGS./Cardstock Cover/Rated T+…$3.99
 
It's not Newsarama, it's CBR and it's just a one-shot like the Colossus one that came out last week. IT looks pretty crappy because everytime they "re-tell" the origins of the characters they tend to "forget" things or to add things that weren't there in the first place. I abhor such one-shots and if I had my way I'd burn them all to hell :D
stop being such a hater!:oldrazz:
 
way to keep adding fuel to the fires of her eventual resurrection marvel.
 
LMAO. I think Jean has to be the most talked about and used "dead" X-man. It does seem as if they are always doing something with her. They keep teasing without actually given her fans what we really want. It does make you wonder, why would they give her an origin story now?
 
I may be totally be making this up but...

does anyone remember a graphic novel ( I think it was a graphic novel) where on the cover there was only the phoenix crest on it, the crest that is on the chest of Phoenix's suit? I swear I thought I saw a novel like this a few years back and now I can't find it anywhere.

Please let me know if any of you guys know what I'm talking about. And if so, where I can get it!
 
It must've been just a TP, Jean never had a Graphic Novel to herself or was even a star, heck I don't think she was ever in a Graphic Novel, I've read most of them and I don't remember Jean in any of them...
 
It seems that the Jean's a Skrull issue is going to crop up in SI. Let's face it I wanted mags to turn up and then Xorneto would have been fixed. This could fix all the Jean problems lol. Although I loved Endsong and don't want that ruined.
 
I dont want Jean from New X-men-Endsong to be a skrull. I cant see how the Phoenix Force could NOT tell the difference between the real thing and a skrull. It would create way too much of a mess if they went that route. Skrull Jean would be what like Phoenix V? Enough with the clones, lookalikes, etc.. This would be worse than the X-factor retcon in many ways. They dont have to make her a skrull to bring her back. They already paved the way for it to happen in a way that make sense with Endsong
 
I just read the differences between the comics version and television version of the Phoenix saga and just wanna know which version you guys like better.

There's the comics version in which Jean reached her full potential as a psychic and become phoenix, then after saving the M'Kraan crystal and the galaxy she was driven mad by her power and become the dark phoenix, leading to her committing genocide and then suicide at the end.

Then there's the television version in which Jean was possessed by the Phoenix Force instead, saved the M'Kraan crystal, then the Phoenix was driven mad by having human emotions, became the dark phoenix where she destoryed a solar system but did not commit genocide, then committed suicide but was resurrected by the Phoenix Force after her death released and purified the Phoenix Force from her body.

As I see it, the TV version basically fixed the "errors" of the original story in a better way than the retconned story did. I seriously find the TV version so much better:

-The ending is more satisfying because it allows the protagonist, the hero of the story to survive. This is an element X3 severely lacked, which is one reason why I think it was so disappointing. What's cool about the TV Phoenix Saga though is that Jean still gets to commit suicide.

-The conflict between Jean and her alter ego simply makes more sense in the TV version which changed that into a conflict between 2 independent entities instead - Jean and the Phoenix Force. It's a lot more sensible and understandable.

Doesn't make sense to me why Jean develops a second and evil personality just because she's super powerful to begin with.

Overall, the TV version basically rewrote the story in a way that doesn't have to lead to that horribly retconned version in which "Oh it wasn't Jean at all, it was just the Phoenix pretending to be her."

Even better than the original ending intended for the comics version, Jean gets to keep her basic powers rather than being neutralized.

So yeah, I simply find the television version to be a vast improvement of the comics version, particularly ending-wise.

Which version do you guys like better?
 
Your logic is confusing. You need to differentiate between comparing the original story to the cartoon adaptation and comparing the retcon to the cartoon adaptation. You're going back and forth. In regards to the original story, the comic book version is better than the watered down cartoon version. Beyond that, both the retcon and cartoon adaptation detract from the impact of Jean Grey's death in the original story... although the cartoon does so without the use of a clone.
 
Has anyone heard the theory that the messiah baby is a reincarnated Jean. In one issue of the new Cable series the bay has a fire bird reflection in her eyes. The baby also has red hair and green eyes. I do not know if like the idea or not frankly, I would like to see Jean back somehow.
 
I'd be happy if the baby was simply a new Phoenix that barely resembled Jean, but I don't want her to actually be Jean or a reincarnation.
 
Has anyone heard the theory that the messiah baby is a reincarnated Jean. In one issue of the new Cable series the bay has a fire bird reflection in her eyes. The baby also has red hair and green eyes. I do not know if like the idea or not frankly, I would like to see Jean back somehow.
that theory has been going on for months, before she even made her first appearance. They've been dropping hints since Messiah Complex. The stuff in Cable only seems to reaffirm it. I hoping she isnt Jean and that Jean does make a return soon, but not as a baby
 
Your logic is confusing. You need to differentiate between comparing the original story to the cartoon adaptation and comparing the retcon to the cartoon adaptation. You're going back and forth. In regards to the original story, the comic book version is better than the watered down cartoon version. Beyond that, both the retcon and cartoon adaptation detract from the impact of Jean Grey's death in the original story... although the cartoon does so without the use of a clone.
Yes, the TV version detracts from the impact of her death, but does it not also deliver a more satisfying conflusion?

The original ending was intended to have Jean survive. Why do the protagonists survive in their stories like 99% of the time? Because that is satisfying to the reader. They went through ALL that crap just to end up dead? I don't think so. Most stories like that are about how people overcome a problem, not get killed by it.

I much more favor the TV ending than the comic book ending. And like I said, what's cool is that she still gets to die. The difference is it doesn't leave the audience unsatisfied.

That's why James put a scene where Jack and Rose reunite after death at the end of Titanic because otherwise I would have felt pissed off and unsatisfied that the lovers got seperated, see what I'm saying?

Fans wanted Jean to survive, didn't they? Isn't that why they retconned the story? They made it so Jean could come back but they had to "fix" the original story in the process so badly. I hate that freaken retcon story. The retcon should have used the possession instead of that lame clone theme. Why not have had Jean possessed by the Phoenix and do all her genocide biz then come off as innocent, free from guilt instead of the writers retconning it into "Jean wasn't even there when that all happened."

The TV version fixes all of that, imo. It's what the orginal story should have been, imo. Even if Jean had indeed commited genocide as Dark Phoenix, she still would have been free from guilt because it wasn't Jean who did it but the entity possessing her. That's what the big fuss was about, right? The genocide and punishment for it thing?

And besides that, I also think it makes more sense that Jean battles a seperate entity rather than herself. I mean, that just gives me a feeling that she's completely nuts.
 
To her fellow X-Men, the psychic Jean Grey was one of the most beloved mutants to ever pass through Charles Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters. But to some of the foremost galactic empires in the Marvel Universe, Jean Grey was known as the Phoenix, a being of terrifying power. Before she was either an X-Man or an interstellar threat, she was just a teenage girl trying to make sense of a mutant ability she didn’t understand. This August, writer Sean McKeever and artist Mike Mayhew take readers back to Jean’s formative years in the one-shot “X-Men Origin: Jean Grey.” CBR News spoke with both creators as well as their editor Nick Lowe about the project, which features 30 fully painted pages of artwork.

Most of the Marvel’s mutants manifest their abilities during adolescence, but an accident caused Jean Grey’s powers to appear at age 12, when “ X-Men Origin: Jean Grey” begins. “This is about a preteen girl who is damaged by severe trauma and is faced with the difficult tasks of overcoming that trauma, dealing with her newfound powers and blossoming into a young woman,” Sean McKeever told CBR News. “We took elements of the origin story from ‘Bizarre Adventures,’ plus ‘Children of the Atom,’ some backup material from ‘Classic X-Men’ and a couple other sources to put together what I feel is a very strong, definitive tale for a character very much deserving of a full-length origin treatment.”

McKeever’s script may reference X-Men stories from the past, but both he and Mike Mayhew wanted their title character to be someone a contemporary audience could identify with. “Jean’s someone with almost infinite power but she’s trapped inside this person who’s having a hard time getting through the day,” said Mike Mayhew. “She’s trying to fit in and be a regular teenager, kind of like Spider-Man. I felt that was the thing to play up to have people identify with her. I didn’t want her to be some idealized character. This wasn’t going to be a pin-up. She’s someone a girl could look at and say, ‘That’s cool.’ That was all there in Sean’s script. I didn’t have to interpret how the character was going to be. I just looked at the story and tried to capture his story beats. We see Jean change and go through a lot of interesting emotional things.”

Because “Jean Grey” deals with the title character’s early years, her fellow original X-Men -- Cyclops, Beast, Angel, and Iceman -- are all very important supporting characters. “When you see the X-Men, I want you to think of fun,” Mayhew remarked. “You know how they used to prank each other and there was physical humor? Each of those characters had almost a silhouette you could recognize. You didn’t have to see their costumes you could tell who they were by their outline.”

Mayhew found the most interesting character interactions in “X-Men Origin: Jean Grey” to be those between Jean and Professor X. “That’s really the core of the book,” the artist said. “Sean had written that relationship really well and the chance to show it was something I really latched onto.”

“X-Men Origin: Jean Grey” does feature fantastic elements like super powered characters but it’s not your typical tale of superhero action. “It's a character piece,” editor Nick Lowe told CBR News. “You get a peek inside Jean at a crucial part of her maturation. Plus some awesome action.”

“The script had a lot of everyday elements,” Mayhew added. “I felt photographing people and having them act everyday and typical connected with the story Sean was trying to tell.” Mayhew decided early on that he wanted to use photography to assist him in bringing to life Sean McKeever’s script for “Jean Grey.” “That’s kind of what I had done on ‘Vampirella’ and I wanted to take that style to the next level and do painted work. Because this was 30 pages, I thought it was a good opportunity, whereas a four-issue painted miniseries could be a nightmare. So that was really my main motivation. “In painting interiors you’re going to use photo reference for the lighting and things like that. So I cast each role and I photographed everyone. And than I incorporated that into my art."

One of Mayhew’s inspirations for “Jean Grey” was the work of artist Drew Struzan, who has designed posters for the “Star Wars” and “Indiana Jones” film series. “I wanted [the comic] to be like if Drew Struzan had painted it, but his movie posters are based on pictures that movie studios take and they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the film,” Mayhew said. “Those photos have a production value [the artist] doesn’t create, but what if the artist created that production value and had that sort of realism? That was my goal; to have sort of a fresh image and not just something from a film.”

The coloring process for “Jean Grey” proved to be a tough but informative experience for Mayhew. “I normally paint in acrylic and air brush and it just wasn’t going to work for panel to panel stuff,” he said. “So I had to start using watercolor and that really affected the way I use the color “When you’re coloring a book, you want the colors to connect to the scene emotionally and help tell the story, but because I had only colored covers before I never really had to think that way. So that was something I definitely learned while working on this.”

McKeever has seen many of Mayhew’s painted pages for “Jean Grey” and he’s been astonished by everything his collaborator has brought to the book. “What doesn't he bring?” the writer remarked. “The level of professionalism, the attention to detail, the evocative psychic sequences and dead-on ‘acting’--he's really something else.”

“X-Men Origin: Jean Grey” has been in development since fall 2006, and it was previous X-Men editor Mike Marts that originally tapped McKeever and Mayhew for the assignment. “If memory serves, he had worked with McKeever on ‘Mystique’ and wanted to get something new going with him,” Nick Lowe explained. “Sean's such a great guy and a fantastic writer, so it's a perfect fit. And we were lucky to get Mike Mayhew. He's a brilliant artist. He puts an ungodly amount of thought into every figure in every panel. You can see the love all over the pages.”

For Mayhew, “Jean Grey” was both a great way to stretch his storytelling muscles and a rare opportunity to depict one of Marvel’s more popular female characters. “I know it’s kind of a joke that they’re always bringing Jean Grey back and that kind of thing but she’s not really around a lot anymore and she was a big character for me,” the artist stated. “Growing up in the ‘80s, I was really into the X-Men especially the John Byrne stuff. So that image of Jean Grey and Cyclops on the moon that was definitely burned into my brain.”

While producing a fully painted thirty-page one-shot is a long and difficult task, Mike Mayhew found “X-Men Origin: Jean Grey” to be a highly rewarding assignment. “I was really allowed to do what I envisioned without compromising myself and that was because of Nick Lowe,” the artist said. “If I needed more time or wanted to change something, he really supported me. It was such a great opportunity to do this experiment in a smaller format and not have to compromise, that’s a rare thing in comics where there’s a deadline. This was one of those things where I’ll probably never get a chance to do something like this again so I thought, ‘Let’s go for it and put everything in there!’”

“X-Men Origin: Jean Grey” is a one-shot that looks at the early years of the title character, but it’s part of a larger line of miniseries that reexamines the formative years of many of the X-Men. “X-Men Origin: Colossus” hit stores in May and “X-Men Origin: Beast” is scheduled for a September release. “Some of these have been percolating for years and some of them are just now coming together,” Lowe explained. “These are just chances for new fans to see the beginnings of favorite X-Characters and older fans to see a new wrinkle or two.”


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