Official UFC Thread

[B]

Tito has to be done in the UFC now, he lost to a guy who isn't even remotely relevant in terms of contendership in the 205 divison & in turn hasn't won a fight in 4 years.

Anyone who watched MMA live will have seen Couture say that Tito's body has betrayed him, he doesn't have the cardio he used to & all the injuries have gradually taken their tole on him.

Combine that with the fact that MMA now, is different to what it was 5 years ago, its much more competitive with fighters being more trained in every area & more skilled all round.. well I just can't see him being able to compete with the 'new breed' of MMA fighter any longer.

Most likely has to with Brock not jobbing for Taker.
I mean what else could wrestlers beef over

Or he hit him too hard with a chair that time.. or he didn't drop him properly on his back.

From now on I'm gonna call actual wrestling ie What Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar etc all do wrestling & I'm gonna call WWE wrasslin.. which is a new word I've just discovered tonight t:

 

[unknownuser]

I tried watching the wwe recently and couldn't put up with it. All too contrived for my taste
I used to be a big fan of it though growing up

 

[B]

I tried watching the wwe recently and couldn't put up with it. All too contrived for my taste
I used to be a big fan of it though growing up

I'm the same, I was a fan of it growing up but once you hit 11 or 12.. it became stupid.

I haven't watched wrasslin since the WWF attitude era more or less ended.. which was about 2002'ish. I briefly caught glimpses of it throughout the years but I've no idea what is going on or who half the people are.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

I was actually rooting for Tito just because it's been so long and all the crap that was going on with his wife... The first 2 minutes were good but it just looked like he aged all at once during the fight.

 

[doih]

woot, called the 3 hyped events correctly.

On the judging issue, I thought Shields took round 1 and 3, Kampmann round 2. It was very close though. I don't think it was a Cecil Peoples type thing where it's so lopsided as to be ridiculous (IE: Bisping/Hamill, Machida/Shogun). One of the first articles I wrote was on the judging system and it was featured on YB and Foxsports: http://www.yardbarker.com/mma/artic...ing_the_scoring_system_changes_little/3402331

Anyhow, JDS vs Cain is going to be a great fight.

El Bastardo: your avatar is amazing

 

[El Bastardo]

Haha, thank, doih!

Yeah, one of my buddies is a huge Kampmann fan and is *****ing the decision was set-up. Ugh.

Kampmann COULD have won the fight. Shields took round one easy. Kampmann took round two. Kampmann had round three in the palm of his hands until he decided to clinch with Shields and kept trying to submit him. ****ing idiot.

Kampmann had the fight and gave it away.

 

[doih]

Some nice gifs:

Unfortunately no sound on the Sanchez slam. That was a great sweep by Thiago followed by a great slam by Sanchez, done in typical Sanchez style.

lol @ Brock break dance

lol @ Brock pushing the cop

 

[Dr. Evil]

Junior Dos Santos

He's not a bad fighter either.

 

[BlackSymbiote]

Did Brock take a dive or did he...um...actually didn't take this dude serious? Was Brock thrown off his game plan early?

As I've said twice before, I think what happened is that for all his power Brock just can't take a strike. He did the same thing in this fight that he did in the Carwin fight: Got punched, curled into a ball and blocked. Brock's trainers really need to work with him on that because he can have all the offensive capabilities in the world, but not being able to take a strike will cripple his career.

I tried watching the wwe recently and couldn't put up with it. All too contrived for my taste
I used to be a big fan of it though growing up

I haven't watched WWE in years, I'm mostly a fan of TNA and Ring of Honor, along with various indies.

 

[Paroxysm]

 

[Paroxysm]

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On another note I'm reading the Sherdog forums & alot of people pointed out that the punch that actually dropped Lesnar down & did the most damage after the knee, was a direct blow to the soft portion of the back of Lesnar's head.. which, even though accidental, is illegal for a variety of reasons.

Lesnar's partially to blame though, while he hasn't turned his back to him, he is definatly walking away & retreating trying to recover.. making it kind of a moo point/excuse.

excuses excuses.


You know a lot of the people making those threads "were" Lesnar fans trying to come up with excuses as to why Brock got totally and utterly dominated in ever aspect of the game.

 

[zanos]

I gotta tell ya that I love these Brock fights. When he can't take his opponent to the ground they just tee off on him. I have never seen anyone retreat so badly.

That gif of him shoving the cop is so funny.

 

[BlackLantern]

excuses excuses.


You know a lot of the people making those threads "were" Lesnar fans trying to come up with excuses as to why Brock got totally and utterly dominated in ever aspect of the game.

and when Lesnar has won fights, fans on the other side always do the "well he's not a real mma fighter till he fights (insert name here)

potato, potahto

its probably the one complaint I have about MMA fans, they hate fighters more than they support fighters they like

 

[E-Man]

woot, called the 3 hyped events correctly.

On the judging issue, I thought Shields took round 1 and 3, Kampmann round 2. It was very close though. I don't think it was a Cecil Peoples type thing where it's so lopsided as to be ridiculous (IE: Bisping/Hamill, Machida/Shogun). One of the first articles I wrote was on the judging system and it was featured on YB and Foxsports: http://www.yardbarker.com/mma/artic...ing_the_scoring_system_changes_little/3402331

Kampmann had that fight in the bag if he just kept his distance and forced Shields to stand in the third. Shields was done. All he had left was instinct, and Kampmann should have forced him to keep standing. He probably could have gotten a knock out in the third. His ground game was impressive enough to hang with Shields, but he's got to fight a lot smarter.

LMAO

 

[B]

excuses excuses.

So when Lesnar accidentally hit Couture on the back of the head & dropped him it was an outrage, but when Cain does it to Lesnar its an excuse..?

You know a lot of the people making those threads "were" Lesnar fans trying to come up with excuses as to why Brock got totally and utterly dominated in ever aspect of the game.

It was hardly a domination in every aspect of the game , Velasquez clipped him as he shot for a takedown & Lesnar never fully recovered from due to the fact Cain kept the pressure on him, made him eat a hard clean knee & then dropped him with that punch to the soft spot on the back of his head.

When Lesnar actually stood and traded with Cain he was giving as good as he got landing just as many, if not more shots than Cain.

The deciding factor in the fight was that punch that caught Lesnar as he shot, followed by the knee as he closed in on Lesnar while he was still wobbled & then the blow to the back of the head.

On another night Lesnar could have won the fight, he wouldn't have given up the position he had on the ground when he took him down the first time so cheaply & he would have probably suplexed Cain when he had back control.. or he might have kept better control of Cain when he took him down with the double leg against the cage like he did when he did that to Couture.

 

[Paroxysm]

So when Lesnar accidentally hit Couture on the back of the head & dropped him it was an outrage, but when Cain does it to Lesnar its an excuse..?

Outrage for the Couture fans.

It was hardly a domination in every aspect of the game , Velasquez clipped him as he shot for a takedown & Lesnar never fully recovered from due to the fact Cain kept the pressure on him, made him eat a hard clean knee & then dropped him with that punch to the soft spot on the back of his head.

When Lesnar actually stood and traded with Cain he was giving as good as he got landing just as many, if not more shots than Cain.

Face it B, your boy got rocked. Cain dissected Lesnar, picked his spots had landed powerful shots. Lesnar's stand up was a joke. He kept throwing jabs with his eyes closed. He looked desperate and stiff. He had to go kamikaze to struggle and get his takedowns (which lasted all of 3 seconds) while Cain took him down with ease on his only attempt, straight to a dominant position and hammered fisted him.

The deciding factor in the fight was that punch that caught Lesnar as he shot, followed by the knee as he closed in on Lesnar while he was still wobbled & then the blow to the back of the head.

The deciding factor was Cain Velasquez, Brock never had a chance.

On another night Lesnar could have won the fight, he wouldn't have given up the position he had on the ground when he took him down the first time so cheaply & he would have probably suplexed Cain when he had back control.. or he might have kept better control of Cain when he took him down with the double leg against the cage like he did when he did that to Couture.

Dude, you have no argument.

 

[BlackSymbiote]

Face it B, your boy got rocked. Cain dissected Lesnar, picked his spots had landed powerful shots. Lesnar's stand up was a joke. He kept throwing jabs with his eyes closed. He looked desperate and stiff. He had to go kamikaze to struggle and get his takedowns (which lasted all of 3 seconds) while Cain took him down with ease on his only attempt, straight to a dominant position and hammered fisted him.

I agree. It's like I said, Brock needs to learn to take a punch. It was just sad watching him curl into a ball. I'm still a fan of Lesnar's, and I hope he comes back better, but everything you said is spot on.

However...

The deciding factor was Cain Velasquez, Brock never had a chance.

contradicts the above. Either Brock was completely off his game and his fighting was just crap, or Cain Velasquez would have beaten him even if Brock was having his best day and Cain his worst.

 

[B]

Outrage for the Couture fans.

And Lesnar haters..

Face it B, your boy got rocked. Cain dissected Lesnar, picked his spots had landed powerful shots. Lesnar's stand up was a joke. He kept throwing jabs with his eyes closed. He looked desperate and stiff. He had to go kamikaze to struggle and get his takedowns (which lasted all of 3 seconds) while Cain took him down with ease on his only attempt, straight to a dominant position and hammered fisted him.

Lesnar isn't my boy. He is however someone I'm more than happy to defend when people like yourself make daft arguments against him.

I'm rewatching the fight right now & I can't see any shots of Lesnar throwing any punches with his eyes closed, so that points out the window.. I'm also seeing Lesnar land just as many if not more punches in their actual original exchange(s) before Cain clipped Brock as he shot for a takedown.

I'm only seeing 2 takedown attempts & 2 successful takedowns from Lesnar, I'm also seeing 2 successful clinch initiations.

Oh and not to be pedantic but seeing as you are, Cain doesn't hammerfist him from his only takedown/trip.

The deciding factor was Cain Velasquez, Brock never had a chance.

Dude, you have no argument.

Whatever you say, I'm not gonna bite onto these comments & amuse you or pretend like I care or value your opinion about anything MMA related, you can head over to Sherdog or UFC.com if you wanna play the trolling **** game.

 

[BlackLantern]

mainly Sherdog.....god that place frightens me

 

[B]

mainly Sherdog.....god that place frightens me

Sherdog's website is a troll haven. Half the people that frequent on that forum shouldn't be allowed to communicate with people in the real world, let alone using a computer/the internet to communicate to people around the world..

 

[E-Man]

Sherdog has a few awesome posters though. You can usually tell them by seeing that they don't just hate on fighters to prove a point. Kinda like the guy who made that Overeem vid, Iron Blade/Ravden. Not all of them are ******s. Just 99.98% of them are.

 

[BlackLantern]

Sherdog's website is a troll haven. Half the people that frequent on that forum shouldn't be allowed to communicate with people in the real world, let alone using a computer/the internet to communicate to people around the world..

it seems to be all "well I train and bla bla bla".....ok? and? just because you and your buddies play grabass in the local gym twice a week doesn't mean you're a "MMA fighter in training" and that doesn't mean your opinion is worth more than some other ******s opinion

 

[Paroxysm]

Whatever you say, I'm not gonna bite onto these comments & amuse you or pretend like I care or value your opinion about anything MMA related, you can head over to Sherdog or UFC.com if you wanna play the trolling **** game.

I'm just celebrating the fact that the biggest UFC manufactured hype train of all time has just crashed.

 

[BlackLantern]

I don't think its crashed....everyone loses fights, he (Lesnar) seems to want to succeed in MMA so he'll go back train, probably get a rematch, and we'll go from there

 

[E-Man]

I'm just celebrating the fact that the biggest UFC manufactured hype train of all time has just crashed.

Considering that he won the belt and defended it twice, it's hard to call him a manufactured hype train. When you win a title you're legit, and he defended it as many times consecutively as Randy and Sylvia. That ties him for the lead when it comes to keeping the belt, and places him second overall all time in successful heavyweight title defenses.

Hell his title run is just as good as any heavyweights out there. I'll go out on a limb and even say that he was a better champ than the great Big Nog. Nog only successfully defended his title once to a freak show in Bob Sapp. He then relinquished it to the all time heavyweight G.O.A.T. Lesnar got his title from the UFC's best ever heavyweight champ, defended it against a former champ(that beat Nog btw) in a tournament of elite heavyweights, and then also defended it against one of the strongest guys at heavyweight who can beat you in two dimensions. Also keep in fact that he came back from a career threatening injury to beat Carwin, and that makes his run more impressive. He then relinqushed his title to who I think will be the next heavyweight G.O.A.T., but even if Cain doesn't live up to those expectations he's as legit as they come.

Compare both Brock and Nog and you have two one dimensional grapplers who have nothing for you if they can't get you down, but they are so great at doing what they did that it allowed them to become champs. Brock became champ in a deeper and more evolved heavyweight class than Nog did, so I think it's safe to say that he's legit.

Hype doesn't win championships.