Comics Official ULTIMATE X-MEN Discussion Thread

[tank girl]

arent they bringing back the death penalty for morrison?

 

[Havok83]

In situations like this, you just have to take any such actions as PIS. Normally, Scott would have just told Emma, "Not here, not now," or something so that she'd be quiet and give him some privacy. But Morrison apparently started his run absolutely determined to break up the Scott/Jean marriage and replace it with a new relationship of his own making, and to do that he had to make the characters act out of character throughout the run. That's why I don't really hold that scene (or the whole "psychic affair," really) against Cyke.

whats PIS?

 

[Brand]

whats PIS?

Plot Induced Stupidity

Normally, PIS is used to refer to a situation where a character fails to use his/her abilities and powers to their fullest extent for the purposes of the plot. An example would be Firelord losing to Spider-Man (the classic example of PIS). I also use it to refer to characters (Scott) being made to do things that are wildly out of character (making out with another woman at his wife's grave).

 

[Brand]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

Spoiler

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and Toad

 

[Venom160]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

Spoiler

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and Toad

YES! Brand don't take this inna wrong way but I could ****in kiss you right now!

 

[squeekness]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

Spoiler

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and Toad

Now if they would only bring back :

Spoiler

Gambit

I'd be so happy.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Sounds good. Wish Syndicate would just go away though

 

[JP]

OMG, C-Spoons, your user title is amazing!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, Rob&Big all day

 

[javon]

HMM, that sounds good to me. Although I knew Angels death wouldn't last long.

 

[JP]

Haha, Rob&Big all day

Errday.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Well, not anymore

 

[Mogwai]

I just saw a scan from Issue #93.

Spoiler

It looks like Angel's death didn't last long, and "Colossus' team" from the Issue #96 preview quite possibly refers to the team from Emma's school. The scan was a group pic of Xavier speaking to a group of mutants.

X-Men shown: Xavier, Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Psylocke, Angel, Dazzler, Syndicate, Beast, Wolverine, Pyro, Iceman, and Toad

^^great news!

 

[Brand]

The latest issue hit the stands today. I nabbed a synopsis and added my thoughts at the end.

Spoiler

Jean/Phoenix fight Apocalypse. There is some dialogue between two, Apoc thinks he's #1, Phoenix says he's crap. She starts to break him down ala X3, Apoc hits her saying she under estimated him. Phoenix smacks back says he under estimated her.

Apoc then begs for mercy. She strips him back down to Sinister and he lives. Cyclops tries to talk to her, she says she is still Jean but she's merged w/ Phoenix now, she's above emotion. She still loves him, but it's time to go.

Xavier confronts her and asks her what she will do. She says she is the world changer, she's going to change it and fix it. She says that all of this is his fault, with this fiasco he's helped set back mutant rights for 100 years. She tells Xavier he has so much potential, all he has to do is live up to it. She's gonna give them a 2nd chance.

The X-Men all wake up at the mansion. No sign of Jean, no sign of Sinister and no sign of Cable. Rogue and Lady Iceman (he looks like a chick) turn on the news and it's like nothing happened. The city is fine, nothing on the news at all. Xavier calls SHIELD, they don't remember, calls FF, they don't remember. No remembers but the X-Men. Wolverine's arm is fine and I think Xavier can't walk anymore. He's back in the wheelchair atleast w/ that cat.

He calls the X-Men together and says it's time to change the world...

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Unemotional is kind, anti-climatic is a nice way of putting it. Take your cliche superhero/supervillain dialogue and that's the Jean/Apoc fight. It was just ... the best way to compare this plot is think of a ad-lib book. It's like Kirkman took your basic plot, filled it in w/ Phoenix, Apocalypse, Onslaught/Cable and guest appearances. The only good thing about this is that the X-Men seen to back and it's almost like Kirkman reset things, although they really have only been reset back to after the Cable arc. They mention Peter at Emma's school and how he still thinks Xavier is dead. So you know...I guess that's good that technically this arc never happened. Except Jean is gone.

The art: I'm sure this fella is a talented artist, this probably wasn't his best work. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he was a fill-in for Sal who's moved on to Invicible Iron Man.

Overall...not good.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=219549

We're pretty much back to square one, except Jean is gone (bad), Beast is back (might be good), and Rogue lost the powers that actually made her different from her 616 self and interesting (one of Kirkman's biggest mistakes, IMO). I'm curious to see what happens to Nightcrawler now, too.

I'd be surprised if threads like Wolverine turning into Cable were touched again. I think the best thing that could happen for the Ult-X franchise would be that any future writer treats Kirkman's run like a bad dream.

 

[El Bastardo]

The latest issue hit the stands today. I nabbed a synopsis and added my thoughts at the end.

Spoiler

We're pretty much back to square one, except Jean is gone (bad), Beast is back (might be good), and Rogue lost the powers that actually made her different from her 616 self and interesting (one of Kirkman's biggest mistakes, IMO). I'm curious to see what happens to Nightcrawler now, too.

I'd be surprised if threads like Wolverine turning into Cable were touched again. I think the best thing that could happen for the Ult-X franchise would be that any future writer treats Kirkman's run like a bad dream.

Put into a spoiler, just because:

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I don't quite agree with all of that. A future writer treating Kirkman's run like a bad dream would be performing a slap to the face of all the people who read Kirkman's run, crap or not. The only thing that saves his ending to this arc and the run is that it wasn't a total Dallas. The characters remember it, which offers future character development regarding it.

Rogue didn't need Gambit's powers. They offered something, sure, and it was different, but a character's interest is never based on their powers.

Jean going full-blown Phoenix in a very similar way to 616 is bad, though. And Beast being back is bad, too. These are things that should never have happened, quite honestly. Both are an affront. Phoenix could have been different, and I'm sorry, after all the random crapfests of build-up that Kirkman was doing throughout, this appearance is a flop. For example, what the heck was all the crap with the goblins? The point?

And it should never be touched on Wolverine being Cable. Well, I suppose technically Professor X should know. Wolverine will know. No one else does. And, really, the event that made Wolverine into Cable is gone now, so there's no likelihood of him becoming Cable at all, or the same Cable. The point would be entirely moot, and as such, should not be touched upon.

Else, all in all, a hum-ho finale.

 

[javon]

I'll have to get this issue this weekend. Seems like mixed reviews from what i've been hearing.

 

[Brand]

Put into a spoiler, just because:

Spoiler

I don't quite agree with all of that. A future writer treating Kirkman's run like a bad dream would be performing a slap to the face of all the people who read Kirkman's run, crap or not. The only thing that saves his ending to this arc and the run is that it wasn't a total Dallas. The characters remember it, which offers future character development regarding it.

Rogue didn't need Gambit's powers. They offered something, sure, and it was different, but a character's interest is never based on their powers.

Jean going full-blown Phoenix in a very similar way to 616 is bad, though. And Beast being back is bad, too. These are things that should never have happened, quite honestly. Both are an affront. Phoenix could have been different, and I'm sorry, after all the random crapfests of build-up that Kirkman was doing throughout, this appearance is a flop. For example, what the heck was all the crap with the goblins? The point?

And it should never be touched on Wolverine being Cable. Well, I suppose technically Professor X should know. Wolverine will know. No one else does. And, really, the event that made Wolverine into Cable is gone now, so there's no likelihood of him becoming Cable at all, or the same Cable. The point would be entirely moot, and as such, should not be touched upon.

Else, all in all, a hum-ho finale.

To address your points . . .

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First, keep in mind that there are going to be changes. We've got a new roster, Jean off on her crazy new mission, people back from the dead, etc. It's just that everyone ELSE seems to have forgotten about Apocalypse, which is a rather convenient, albeit lazy, way of getting around explaining Apocalypse's actions and how no one else seems to know about or mention them.

The thing about Rogue wasn't that she had Gambit's powers. She could have shot flowers out of her *** for all I care. What was cool about Rogue pre-Kirkman was that, for once, we didn't have the angst-ridden character who could never touch anyone. Take away the powers if need be, but give her at least partial control or SOMETHING so that we don't have a carbon copy of the angst-fest that we've had in the 616 for so long.

Jean--I agree completely.

Beast--Agree here, too. I would like to see Marvel stick to "dead means dead" for once. The potential positive that I saw from his resurrection, the one possible redeeming quality of his return, is that having Beast back will give Storm a push and make her less of a useless bit of wallpaper. Emo wallpaper, at that.

Wolverine/Cable--Yep. I'm thinking we've seen the last of Cable, and I'm hoping that there are no more time travel stories in the X-Men's future.

 

[El Bastardo]

If anyone's been saying it's a great piece of work, it's clear they should get a clue.

 

[Valechan]

It looks like this books is just as horrible as it was when it first came out. It's a waste of paper this book, that's what it is. You say "ultimate X-Men" next to a tree and the tree starts to cry

 

[El Bastardo]

And that was stupid.

 

[javon]

Actually it's getting wayyy better than earlier issues. Whats the last one you picked up?

 

[El Bastardo]

It's actually far worse than the original issues.

 

[javon]

Really? I thought it was a big step, these past issues. Mabe it'll get better.

 

[El Bastardo]

Kirkman's issues, any of them, in no way compare to Millar's original issues. They in no way compare to Bendis's issues. They in no way compare to Vaughan's issues.

 

[Valechan]

The only run I enjoyed was Vaughan, the rest was pure crap.