Comics Official UNCANNY X-MEN Discussion Thread

[Havok83]

Though she never had the courage to admit that she had a wandering eye.
If it wasn't so obvious, they wouldn't have hinted her and Wolverine so many times when in cartoons (mostly the 90' one) or movies.

Thats bc she didnt. The Scott/Jean/Wolverine was highly exagerated. Wolverine was never more than a friend to her and he was never even remotely considered a viable option in the books. It very, very one sided. He lusted after her, mainly from the background; she never loved him like that. If she wanted to be with him, she would have taken that chance after she found out Scott was married and when he "died" during The Twelve. Actually going there with Wolverine was never even an option. In her 45 history, Scott was the only man she's ever loved, only man she's slept with, and the only man they've ever shown her wanting to build a life with, despite other guys, namely Wolverine trying to get in on that.

The cartoons and especially the movie are far from canon and shouldnt even be mentioned in this discussion. I mean they had Rogue and Scott, Bobby/Kitty, Bobby/Rogue....etc, not to mention the origins, personalities and releationships between the characters were completely altered

 

[Mike555]

You do know that bush crushed the ****ing econmy for the u.s right.

 

[UraniaChang]

Thats bc she didnt. The Scott/Jean/Wolverine was highly exagerated. Wolverine was never more than a friend to her and he was never even remotely considered a viable option in the books. It very, very one sided. He lusted after her, mainly from the background; she never loved him like that. If she wanted to be with him, she would have taken that chance after she found out Scott was married and when he "died" during The Twelve. Actually going there with Wolverine was never even an option. In her 45 history, Scott was the only man she's ever loved, only man she's slept with, and the only man they've ever shown her wanting to build a life with, despite other guys, namely Wolverine trying to get in on that.

The cartoons and especially the movie are far from canon and shouldnt even be mentioned in this discussion. I mean they had Rogue and Scott, Bobby/Kitty, Bobby/Rogue....etc, not to mention the origins, personalities and releationships between the characters were completely altered

There's no smoke without fire. You have to think why the editors of cartoon/movies/comics want to hint that if she was so obviously one-sided about her feelings. Wolverine is a horny dog, but if he feels he is comepletely hopeless in this one-way pursuing he wouldn't have lasted that long. Unretured feelings burn out eventually.

You do know that bush crushed the ****ing econmy for the u.s right.

That's not entirely his doing (some of the Americans have no sense in resposible finace management), war costs money, that's for sure, but you can't deny that if he did nothing some of you would still scream bloody murder at him. What would you have him do anyway? From what I gether about Mr. Bush, he is...um...not very bright in some ways, he was too reckless in making his final call, that's his biggest flaw imo. But don't forget, a smart president still can do the wrong things.

 

[Havok83]

There's no smoke without fire. You have to think why the editors of cartoon/movies/comics want to hint that if she was so obviously one-sided about her feelings. Wolverine is a horny dog, but if he feels he is comepletely hopeless in this one-way pursuing he wouldn't have lasted that long. Unretured feelings burn out eventually.

again the cartoons and movies really have no place in this discussion as they have no revelance on anything canon. Did we ever see any hints of Scott and Rogue in the books? or Kitty and Avalanche? Sticking to the books, was there hints? Of course as they danced around Wolverine and Jean, but it never amounted to anything, mainly bc she never allowed it to. They were never a couple. They were never mutually in love and they were never viable option that was pursued by either party. Wolverine has kissed her but he never tried to steal her or make a serious play for her. He didnt like it at first, but he did grow to respect Scott's place in Jeans life and even supported them. Dont confuse them with AoA or the Ultimateverse bc the 616 version never ever went that far, no matter how they have appeared in alternate versions

 

[UraniaChang]

But they must have grabbed the idea from some of the original comics storylines, you aired a cartoon or a movie based on famous characters you'd have taken a little effort in making stuff not completely out of nowhere.

Basically everyone who read X-Men or knew about the team didn't show an ounce of incredulity when seeing Jean portrayed that way from where I live or the boards everywhere I used to go, they already had the impression, because she was never really adamant in rejecting Wolverine in comics, aside from the very first time he kissed her, but not many people read the X-Men comics this far back.

 

[Havok83]

But they must have grabbed the idea from some of the original comics storylines, you aired a cartoon or a movie based on famous characters you'd have taken a little effort in making stuff not completely out of nowhere.

Basically everyone who read X-Men or knew about the team didn't show an ounce of incredulity when seeing Jean portrayed that way from where I live or the boards everywhere I used to go, they already had the impression, because she was never really adamant in rejecting Wolverine in comics, aside from the very first time he kissed her, but not many people read the X-Men comics this far back.

the comics and movies didnt go much further than they did in the books. Jean was not romantically linked to Wolverine in the 90s series, Evolution or Wolverine and the X-men. In all 3, she was in love with Scott. The 90s series was actually the closest to the books and it had Wolverine have feelings for her from a distance but still it was all about her and Scott, with Wolverine not even being much of a factor. She was jailbait in Evolution. She was MIA for most of Wolverine and the X-men but when she returned, again she was all about Scott and barely played any angle with Wolverine. The movies had her all about Scott. X-men 3 tried to build up some type up of love story between her and Wolverine, but again it was all on him. He was the one declaring love with her not recipricating those feelings. She wasnt even herself but was crazy and walked around possessed for 90% of the film. Show me a cartoon episode or any of the movies where Jean and Wolverine were an actual couple.. Show one where she's actually pursuing something with Wolverine and opening herself up for the possibility of moving forward with me? Can you? Bc to the best of my knowledge the portryal of Jean in regards to him has not been much more than it was in the 616 books , which pretty much amounted to nothing. But since you keep going back to the cartoons and movies, Im open to being corrected

 

[UraniaChang]

Certainly not how me and others felt when watching the movies (hell, even my mom complained that "What's wrong with that woman? She was flirting with that hairy dude, I thought she had a boyfriend already!" and she wasn't fluenced by any of the X-Men history), and me as a kid watching the cartoon, there's no way for Evolution Logan to be interested in Jean because as far as I know, Americans are really sensitive about the subject of paedophilia.

 

[Manic]

I've always been under the impression Jean loved Scott, but just wanted to jump Logan's bones. The movies are the only example I know of that made it seem like Jean wanted Logan more than Scott.

 

[OutcryX]

i always felt that Jean wanted Logan to screw the equilibrium out of her...then she would push him off of her and run (unbalanced) back to Scott.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah, I seem to recall some moments during the black-leather days when Jean and Logan had undeniable tension (maybe because the movie had just come out) I even distinctly remember a moment where they had a talk, and Logan was the one to say they couldn't be together...you know the whole "I don't wanna ruin our friendship" talk.... I think that was around when Scott and Emma started having their mental fling....

 

[roach]

so Jean never cheated on Scott...Scott can't say he never cheated on Jean

 

[Manic]

Scott can't even say he never cheated with Jean. She's his second wife, you know.

 

[Havok83]

Scott can't even say he never cheated with Jean. She's his second wife, you know.

Actually he never did cheat with Jean. He and Jean didnt become an item till he saw Maddie die on tv. Of course she was alive, but he didnt know that. It was a shock for him when she came back from the dead (hmmm, guy has that pattern) Before that though he and Jean were ex lovers who wanted to be together but didnt act on those feelings until after Fall of the Mutants

Yeah, I seem to recall some moments during the black-leather days when Jean and Logan had undeniable tension (maybe because the movie had just come out) I even distinctly remember a moment where they had a talk, and Logan was the one to say they couldn't be together...you know the whole "I don't wanna ruin our friendship" talk.... I think that was around when Scott and Emma started having their mental fling....

Yeah that was right when Morrison decied to wreck the marriage

 

[UraniaChang]

Probably because there was nothing new to squeeze out of the relationship.
Die, breaking dwon, leave or meet someone else, someone comes back, going back to the someone who comes back and dumping the other one.

What's the point? It only repeats what happened with Madelyne, and it doesn't need a repeat performance. Besides, during some of Claremont's late run, he had these two doing more "JEAN!!!"&"SCOTT!!!" than anything else, probably that was why the movies shafted him so much.

Anyway, it's good they parted.

 

[roach]

Madelyne and Scott's marriage was different from Scott and Jean's.

And during Claremont's late run Jean and Scott were on two different teams
Scott got shafted in the movies because Hugh Jackman became a big star and his part was written better than anyone elses....besides we all know the draw of the X-men isnt Scott but Logan

 

[UraniaChang]

They weren't the same, of course.

Madelyne might have a point in being bitter that she was Jean's replacement, the cheap one, because that was the only reason Sinister created her. Her life was set up before she had a say in it, being seriously pissed is a reasonable reaction.

As for Emma's affair with Scott, I remember some people said these two didn't have that much interaction before the whole psychic affair sprun out, my guess is Marvel wanted to end the relationship to make something new.
With Jean, there's only one person she could go to at that point and it was too obvious; with Scott, well, he also didn't have that much experience in that field either, aside from a clone of his wife, brief sting with Lee, and Colleen(?Not sure if anything happened between them, I never got to read that part), so which woman to pick?

Some guy(s?) in Marvel: I got it! Emma Frost!
Others: WHAT?
Guy(s?): She likes men with powers, she doesn't like Jean and vice versa, besides, she is the complete opposite of Jean, from personality to coloring.
Others: Excellent idea, let's get on with it.

If that's really how they made the decision...well, they're lucky that I did enjoy some of Scott and Emma's relationship.

 

[Havok83]

Madelyne and Scott's marriage was different from Scott and Jean's.

And during Claremont's late run Jean and Scott were on two different teams
Scott got shafted in the movies because Hugh Jackman became a big star and his part was written better than anyone elses....besides we all know the draw of the X-men isnt Scott but Logan

Claremont only really wrote for Scott/Jean in his original DPS storyline. By the time she was resurrected, they both were on X-factor. He scripted their final arc in that series and wrote 3 issues of X-men before leaving. By the time he returned in Revolution, Scott was dead. He used Jean a couple of times in X-treme X-men and I dont think Scott even made an appearance in that book. By the time he finally came back to UXM, Jean was dead again

 

[roach]

They weren't the same, of course.

Madelyne might have a point in being bitter that she was Jean's replacement, the cheap one, because that was the only reason Sinister created her. Her life was set up before she had a say in it, being seriously pissed is a reasonable reaction.

As for Emma's affair with Scott, I remember some people said these two didn't have that much interaction before the whole psychic affair sprun out, my guess is Marvel wanted to end the relationship to make something new.
With Jean, there's only one person she could go to at that point and it was too obvious; with Scott, well, he also didn't have that much experience in that field either, aside from a clone of his wife, brief sting with Lee, and Colleen(?Not sure if anything happened between them, I never got to read that part), so which woman to pick?

Some guy(s?) in Marvel: I got it! Emma Frost!
Others: WHAT?
Guy(s?): She likes men with powers, she doesn't like Jean and vice versa, besides, she is the complete opposite of Jean, from personality to coloring.
Others: Excellent idea, let's get on with it.

If that's really how they made the decision...well, they're lucky that I did enjoy some of Scott and Emma's relationship.

i consider the Jean/Scott break up to be right up there with breaking up Peter and MJ

 

[Manic]

I'm opposed to Peter & MJ's marriage being undone via magic. If writers wanted to make them drift apart and heavily imply that Peter was starting to fall for someone else shortly before MJ died, I'd probably be alright with Peter being single again.

 

[UraniaChang]

Was Spiderman's relationship with MJ in comics a lot like the one in the movies?

 

[OutcryX]

similar in that they both are angsty and the two, while inlove with each other never really seem to like each other.

 

[UraniaChang]

...I was thinking that they weren't similar because I really couldn't bring myself to appreciate their relationship in the movies.

 

[Havok83]

their relationship was pretty rushed in the movies, for obvious reasons. MJ also didnt have the same sex appeal she had in the books. I liked KD, but she was more of a plain Jane, than Mary Jane. The last film had her a bit whiny and well they kinda messed with Peter. The chemistry wasnt quite right. Still they were cute in their own way

 

[Specter313]

Was Spiderman's relationship with MJ in comics a lot like the one in the movies?

Like it was said, it was rushed, and I don't think they had nearly the build up that they had in the comics to make it seem as natural, and I believe the substituted parts of Gwen Stacy into movie MJ as well.

 

[Specter313]

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