The Dark Knight Ok, so I'm VERY late on seeing Nolan's "The Prestige" but...

[Agentsands77]

Actually Goyer did a good job working on BB script. Yeah, some scenes and dialogues didn't work so well, but this doesn't mean the whole script was bad.

I never meant to suggest it was bad, just that it was an "okay" script with a lot of great ideas, and many of those ideas had come from Christopher Nolan, anyway. It was ultimately Nolan's second draft that kicked BEGINS up a notch and made it something genuinely good.

Besides, I'm glad that he wrote script treatment for TDK and BB3, because he works better with storytelling

I'm glad he's involved on a story level. After all, he's the man with the comic book knowledge, and I think he's a good idea man. But I'm also glad that it will be Jonathan Nolan writing the first draft this time around. I have more faith in Jonathan Nolan's ability than in Goyer's, and hopefully he'll turn in a better screenplay than the one we had for BEGINS.

 

[Revovler]

I agree with Sands. As good as Begins was the only problem was in the dialogue. It looks as if it was written by the same person. For example most of the characters would repeat what they were told earlier.

 

[kytrigger]

I agree with Sands. As good as Begins was the only problem was in the dialogue. It looks as if it was written by the same person. For example most of the characters would repeat what they were told earlier.

Having characters repeat what they were told has absolutely nothign to do with the dialogue being written by one person.

 

[Kritish]

You can't compare the violence in Prestige to what we will see in TDK because WB wants PG-13. Also, you can talk all the crap you want about Burton's B89 but that (and Returns) will continue to be the most violent Bat films for a long time. People today are more PC than they were in the `80s.

Yeah, WB has Nolan by the balls.

 

[Catman]

Yeah, WB has Nolan by the balls.

Was Batman Begins really a violent movie to begin with? It was more of an action-packed movie!

 

[Crooklyn]

It was more of neither.

But it could've been violent had the damn camera been pulled back.

 

[Anita18]

My first thought was, "Wow, is The Prestige still showing in theaters?" but then I forgot that some of you international folk have yet to see it.

I think it's still showing in a few cheap theaters locally as well, which I think is pretty amazing. I definitely intend on grabbing the DVD as soon as it comes out, since it's a great storytelling study, if anything else.

I'm also glad that Jonah and Chris Nolan are the main guys working on this. Seeing what they've come up with together for Memento and Prestige...I really can't wait.

 

[Robin91939]

I appreciate the damn spoiler warning. I've never complained that people didn't post things in spoiler tags...but this isn't even a Prestige forum man...common.

-R

 

[Nepenthes]

I appreciate the damn spoiler warning. I've never complained that people didn't post things in spoiler tags...but this isn't even a Prestige forum man...common.

-R

Yeah you ruined for me too TurtleFan!



Haven't read the thread but here my 2cents anyway....

Darker doesn't necessarily mean 'violent'. I'm hoping extreme violence from the Joker is implied but not shown, because I still want lots of good little kiddies to see this movie and then have their parents buy the DVD.

Also I doubt Nolan is going to make the same mistake as Burton did here...we all know what the consequences might be....

 

[Tojo]

I thought Goyer had written a pretty damn good concept for Batman Begins, i'm glad he's done the story for TDK and B3 and cannot wait to see what he's done. He put a really fresh, unique spin on the mythos.

The dialogue wasn't bad imo, what else can you do with a film that has to be edited at lightening pace so that none of the dialogue scenes last more than 20 seconds. It's ridiculous.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'm sorry I don't know how to put up spoiler tags. I'm a noob so sue me.

 

[Cinemaman]

I never meant to suggest it was bad, just that it was an "okay" script with a lot of great ideas, and many of those ideas had come from Christopher Nolan, anyway. It was ultimately Nolan's second draft that kicked BEGINS up a notch and made it something genuinely good.


I'm glad he's involved on a story level. After all, he's the man with the comic book knowledge, and I think he's a good idea man. But I'm also glad that it will be Jonathan Nolan writing the first draft this time around. I have more faith in Jonathan Nolan's ability than in Goyer's, and hopefully he'll turn in a better screenplay than the one we had for BEGINS.

Agreed, Jonathan Nolan is great in working with characters, dialogues and twists. He will do a great job, I'm sure

 

[Keymaker]

Also I doubt Nolan is going to make the same mistake as Burton did here...we all know what the consequences might be....

What's so violent about Burton's films?

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Two words - Batman Returns.

 

[Crooklyn]

It wasn't really that violent. Nothing was excessive imo.

 

[StorminNorman]

I dont really get what people are complaining about spoiler wise. No major surprise was given away, he described one scene that was not in the trailers I think. Its not like he gave away the twist of Borden and Angier being brothers.

 

[Nepenthes]

Um the main charcter friggin hangs himself. That's what it says.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Um the main charcter friggin hangs himself. That's what it says.

But he isn't really. In the words of Yoda "There is another..."

 

[Crooklyn]

The main character doesn't really hang himself, so just forget about it.

 

[diagonbruce]

The only violent scene that stood up with me on BB was the death of the parents of Bruce. I still remember some of the parents on the theatre where I watched a late showing asking their little boys if they're alright cause some of the kids were trying to brave it out but I can tell they shook when the parents were shot down. The rest of the BB feel was more action packed.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

I think Batman Begins was as violent as Batman Return. If not more. The only thing Returns has over Begins in that departement is when Penguin bite the nose of that guy and there's blood everywhere.

Violence wasn't the problem that scared Warner Brothers; it was the fact that children were scared of what was happening in the film BR. That's where the parents letters came from. And then they make it scarier for Batman Begins! Brilliant. Personaly, I don't mind. But let's call a spade a spade here. I know my nephew wanted to see BB and I decided not to show him. Especially the allucinogenes parts were not meant to be seen by kids.

 

[comic_guy04]

I think Batman Begins was as violent as Batman Return. If not more. The only thing Returns has over Begins in that departement is when Penguin bite the nose of that guy and there's blood everywhere.

Violence wasn't the problem that scared Warner Brothers; it was the fact that children were scared of what was happening in the film BR. That's where the parents letters came from. And then they make it scarier for Batman Begins! Brilliant. Personaly, I don't mind. But let's call a spade a spade here. I know my nephew wanted to see BB and I decided not to show him. Especially the allucinogenes parts were not meant to be seen by kids.

well I don't claim to be a kid expert or anything but I think sheltering your kids from small amounts of violence (penguin nose biting, or scarecrow bad trip) isn't a good idea becuase if they arn't exposed to it at kind of a young age they don't know how to cope with it later in life. If the kid can't handle a few bats flying out of scarecrows mouth then idk thats another story. I remember the scene with the penguin and the smart ass guy makin a crack about there not being alot of reflective surfaces in the sewer and slightly freaking cuz I was 6. I remember my dad just saying its fake, and don't worry batman is gonna kick his ass, and that got me pumped for the climax.

 

[Agentsands77]

well I don't claim to be a kid expert or anything but I think sheltering your kids from small amounts of violence (penguin nose biting, or scarecrow bad trip) isn't a good idea becuase if they arn't exposed to it at kind of a young age they don't know how to cope with it later in life.

That's not necessarily true.

 

[comic_guy04]

That's not necessarily true.

I'm not saying I won't eventually agree with you but could you explain your opinion?

 

[StorminNorman]

Um the main charcter friggin hangs himself. That's what it says.

That was in the trailer