Comics Okay-I've gotten a bit behind in my comic reading...

[Chris Wallace]

Somebody give me a quick rundown of the whole "One More Day/Brand New Day" storyline. I know it supposedly culminated in the dissolution of Peter & MJ's marriage. I know nothing else.

 

[Gilpesh]

Lots of people are mad.

Some people think it was a good move.

Both groups hate each other.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Okay. That's usually the case. That's how we responded to the sidekick suit, the new powers & the unmasking. But what happened?

 

[Gilpesh]

The devil literally reset his life.

That's it.

 

[Themanofbat]

In OMD, things went from bad to worse in Peter's life in the last 2 years (the unmasking, joining then going against the Pro-Registration Act side, Aunt May about to die because of his actions, etc...) to the point that Mephisto agreed to save his Aunt and make his identity secret in exchange for the Parker marriage... thus setting up BND.

OMD sucked pretty bad, but it gives Peter a new lease on life and it's made BND a great starting point for new readers to jump on board... In the 4 months since BND, the Spidey comics have had an old school feel to them with a modern approach... new villains, a return of sub-plots and a nice continual soap opera storybook telling that has made the books rather refreshing to read. Some things have happened that have yet to be explained, but the anticipation of ASM has this old reader looking forward to the next issue... which is something I've not felt in a long time.

 

[Chris Wallace]

So it was a bad story with good repercussions?
So his ID is no longer a matter of public record, his powers are back to the way they were before & he never wore the sidekick suit?
Does he remember anything? The marriage, for instance? And where is MJ now?

 

[farmernudie]

No one remembers anything.

Well...Pete had the devil mindwipe the entire planet and gave up his marriage to make aunt may live longer.

But like..people remember the unmasking for instance, but just can't remember the unmasking (details).

SO they all know their minds are swiss cheesed, but no one cares.

MJ is a superhero now, created by the devil. But not married.

It is a reboot...so the repercussions being "good" are debatable. You need to see for yourself.

 

[Finlandman]

MJ's not necessarely Jackpot. It would be too obvious.

 

[Brand]

MJ's not necessarely Jackpot. It would be too obvious.

It hasn't been revealed that Jackpot=MJ for certain, but it would make no sense for her to be anyone else.

 

[Blader5489]

So it was a bad story with good repercussions?

I guess you could say that.

So his ID is no longer a matter of public record, his powers are back to the way they were before & he never wore the sidekick suit?

Yes, yes, and...what sidekick suit?

Does he remember anything? The marriage, for instance? And where is MJ now?

History was altered in two respects: the marriage never happened (though for the past 20 years, Peter and MJ have been living together as boyfriend and girlfriend) and Harry never died (instead, after the issue where he was supposed to die, he went to Europe for rehab). We don't know where MJ is, just that she broke up with Peter for as-of-yet unknown reasons. It looks she'll be reappearing next month, though.

And don't listen to farmernudie.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

So it was a bad story with good repercussions?

I would more describe it as a TERRIBLE story followed by some good stories that could have been told without said TERRIBLE story.

Slott, Gale, Guggenheim, etc obviously hold no blame for 'One More Day'. But their stories could have been told without that ever having taking place, with minimal changes. Ahhhh well, we are where we are. The stories in 'Brand New Day' taken on their own are okay, but knowing where they've come from always leaves a bad taste. If you're not a continuity freak, they're worth checking out (especially Slott's). If the Mephisto thing is just too much, you might want to wait it out a bit until the continuity issues and other drift-wood left from that mess sorts itself out.

So his ID is no longer a matter of public record, his powers are back to the way they were before & he never wore the sidekick suit?
Does he remember anything? The marriage, for instance? And where is MJ now?

Wearing a green and gold leotard and jumping on trucks. Err... don't ask.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I guess you could say that.



Yes, yes, and...what sidekick suit?



History was altered in two respects: the marriage never happened (though for the past 20 years, Peter and MJ have been living together as boyfriend and girlfriend) and Harry never died (instead, after the issue where he was supposed to die, he went to Europe for rehab). We don't know where MJ is, just that she broke up with Peter for as-of-yet unknown reasons. It looks she'll be reappearing next month, though.

And don't listen to farmernudie.

The "sidekick suit" is my *ahem* affectionate nickname for the suit Iron Man gave him.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Wow. I joked about them doing something stupid in order to put the genie back in the bottle, but I never imagined. I gotta get the TPB.

 

[Captivated]

How could you have missed this debacle?! It was even on the news.

Peter makes a deal with the devil, at the cost of his marriage, to give Aunt May one more day. The side effects to the deal also made EVERY last being on the planet forget who Spider-Man is. This also erased A LOT of continuity, and now no one knows exactly what is what. Oh... and Harry is alive again.

This has given the writers carte blanche... they can willy-nilly change history to be whatever they want... who knows who is still alive, or what has happened with the back-stories of any character. It's all been wiped... by "magic." The devils magic no less.

It was SO appropriate that they made all this an act of the DEVIL, because what they did with Amazing was EVIL. It was a deal killer for me. I have QUIT Spider-Man and Marvel.

Brand New Day is being built on an evil act and a lie.

If they had created a new title in a different universe, it would have been a different story, and I'm sure most might have enjoyed it... but they have done this to AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. It now has no continuity to speak of, and some of the lamest explanations have been trotted out.

Did you know that in this "new" reality Peter and Mary Jane never made a commitment and got married, but they still had a relationship? Yeah... all those romantic moments were not between a married couple who had vowed to love and cherish till death... no, they were just shacking up. Yeah right.

I found that to be just another one of MANY offensive comments made by JQ.


Here are some great reviews...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDF52sDD_78

This guy gives an accurate review in an amusing rant...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa9ygMEqF1E

Here is a Brand New Day rant...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ud2CmVXx48&NR=1

Many had this opinion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjN0ThpswRc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ymJB3776nQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sex2ATYsRmw

Oh heck.. just go to www.youtube.com and search "Spider-Man One More Day." The outrage is there in spades...

 

[Chris Wallace]

What pisses me off most about this whole thing is that for years I've attacked DC for rewriting history whenever they feel like it, any time the current continuity doesn't hold up or they want to get rid of some embarassing past story-& now Marvel's gone the exact same route. At least we have the option of just ignoring that whole "Chapter One" mess. The unmasking was a bad idea, yes, but it happened. And the route they went to undo it was just absurd. The Devil? Seriously? WTF?

 

[Blader5489]

The "sidekick suit" is my *ahem* affectionate nickname for the suit Iron Man gave him.

Ah. Well, that still happened. In fact, with the exception of the marriage and Harry's death, everything from the last 20 years still happened the same. But keep in mind there's a missing period of time between the end of OMD and the beginning of BND, which would (theoretically) explain what happened to Peter's organic webbing or when Aunt May's house was rebuilt or why MJ broke up with Peter--those kinds of things that have yet to be explained. It's also worth mentioning (and clarifying) that the unmasking is still technically in continuity, but no one (and absolutely no one) remembers that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. It's a similar situation to what happened with the Sentry.

And don't listen to Captivated either. This whole "years of continuity has been erased and now Spider-Man has no continuity, etc." outcry is just sensationalist and baseless fanboy whining.

And MJ is not Jackpot.

 

[shinlyle]

This is the point where things cease to make sense.

Basically, everything happened the same as before, but Peter and MJ were just "shackin' up". Somehow, this made it so that Harry is back alive, and Aunt May's house was magically rebuilt. Also, according to Joe Q, Aunt May was STILL shot by the sniper, but she got better. So, everythign happened except for the things that happened differently, but Marvel won't tell us what they are.

So, Q and Co. keep giving us the "wait and see" response. We're suppose to keep buying until they can make up a plausible explanation for how everything has happned the same way, despite the dramatic changes that Peter and MJ NOT being married would have made to several major storylines (Kraven's Last Hunt being the first obvious one). Oh yeah...and Spider-Man still unmasked, but no one remembers who he is and all evidence was winked away by Mephisto.

My advice, if you can enjoy the storylines without thinking about the past and without needing any explanation, then read Brand New Day. If you would like to read about a married Spider-Man steeped in continuity without asanine gimmicks and a "wait and see" attitude, then read AMAZING Spider-Girl.

And don't listen to Captivated either. This whole "years of continuity has been erased and now Spider-Man has no continuity, etc." outcry is just sensationalist and baseless fanboy whining.

...except that continuity has been erased and rearranges....which means that Captivated is right.

 

[Blader5489]

...except that continuity has been erased and rearranges....which means that Captivated is right.

You know what? Believe whatever the **** you want. All I'm trying to do is give this guy some honest answers without forcing my own bias onto him, which you, farmernudie, and Captivated (who should be locked away in a padded room) have all done so far. He's not asking for your opinions, he's asking for what happened.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's true. I did ask for what happened, nothing more. Which is why the first response I got on this thread told me NOTHING. However, neutral posts on these boards are about as rare as pink diamonds.
It sounds like a bad story, though, but I'll form my own opinion when I track down the TPB.

 

[Blader5489]

That's true. I did ask for what happened, nothing more. Which is why the first response I got on this thread told me NOTHING. However, neutral posts on these boards are about as rare as pink diamonds.
It sounds like a bad story, though, but I'll form my own opinion when I track down the TPB.

OMD is universally considered a bad story (even Quesada doesn't seem to like it), but BND is more of a mixed bag, partly because of the rotating creative teams. So the only real, non-partisan answer that you can get in that regard is to read for yourself. Because almost certainly everyone has a different opinion on the quality of the BND stories.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It just feels like the powers that be don't care about Spider-Man fans anymore. It's seemed like that ever since he moved into Stark Tower; everything we loved about the character had been systematically undone.

 

[Gilpesh]

That's true. I did ask for what happened, nothing more. Which is why the first response I got on this thread told me NOTHING. However, neutral posts on these boards are about as rare as pink diamonds.
It sounds like a bad story, though, but I'll form my own opinion when I track down the TPB.

I told the most neutral thing I could.

 

[shinlyle]

You know what? Believe whatever the **** you want. All I'm trying to do is give this guy some honest answers without forcing my own bias onto him, which you, farmernudie, and Captivated (who should be locked away in a padded room) have all done so far. He's not asking for your opinions, he's asking for what happened.

Well, I gave him fact. Marvel is giving "wait and see" as an answer for everything. FACT. All the storylines supposedly happened, yet couldn't have with a major change like this. FACT. If you want a MARRIED Peter Parker and no continuity resets, then you SHOULD read Amazing Spider-Girl, as they haven't done anything like that in the book. FACT. If you like the storytelling in BND and you can ignore the continuity incongruencies, then you should read it. FACT.

In my opinion, the whole thing is stupid. Factually, it doesn't make much sense. That does not mean that he won't like it. According to the sales figures, alot of peopel do like it. I juse told him that he had a choice.

Try not to land on your head when coming down off of that "high-horse", Blader.

Chris Wallace- I would read it and see what you think. Alot of my friends love it, and I can't knock people for liking it. It's just that you'll either love it or hate it. Read the first 4-6 issues of it like I did, and form your own opinion.

 

[Blader5489]

Well, I gave him fact. Marvel is giving "wait and see" as an answer for everything. FACT. All the storylines supposedly happened, yet couldn't have with a major change like this. FACT. If you want a MARRIED Peter Parker and no continuity resets, then you SHOULD read Amazing Spider-Girl, as they haven't done anything like that in the book. FACT. If you like the storytelling in BND and you can ignore the continuity incongruencies, then you should read it. FACT.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "fact."

Try not to land on your head when coming down off of that "high-horse", Blader.

I'm not the one preaching (or should I say *****ing?) about what's "factual" regarding BND.

 

[nobndfan]

In OMD, things went from bad to worse in Peter's life in the last 2 years (the unmasking, joining then going against the Pro-Registration Act side, Aunt May about to die because of his actions, etc...) to the point that Mephisto agreed to save his Aunt and make his identity secret in exchange for the Parker marriage... thus setting up BND.

OMD sucked pretty bad, but it gives Peter a new lease on life and it's made BND a great starting point for new readers to jump on board... In the 4 months since BND, the Spidey comics have had an old school feel to them with a modern approach... new villains, a return of sub-plots and a nice continual soap opera storybook telling that has made the books rather refreshing to read. Some things have happened that have yet to be explained, but the anticipation of ASM has this old reader looking forward to the next issue... which is something I've not felt in a long time.

Well, that's ONE perspective.