Comics OMD/Clone Saga/Joey Q. discussion.

[Styleshift]

Just some Random banter and theories about these touchy subjects....

Ben Reily staying Spider-man would have DEFINITELY been better than this load of crap called OMD it never would have made a single story "not count". it all still happened. it just wasn't the real peter is better than "it's magic we don't have to explain it".

. 1. We would have had a married peter.

2. it adds another complex side of grief to the life of peter parker. look at what i could have....a family.... but i cant break my promise to uncle ben.

3. Aunt May would have stayed dead (she was written out PERFECTLY, just another good story to the long list that no longer counts .)
and Ben would have still been single like "the writers" wanted.

4. The clone saga would be resolved instead of given a tacked on ending and forgotten soon after.

Sure...its no longer peter anymore in the suit.... but I could argue the same thing about post civil war spidey.

I guess really Joey Q. forced those stories to give us a decision. stray him as far from his origin as possible so that erasing it all (plus the marriage) would be a good idea....I remember the days when Joey Q. would tell a good story...(like that one batman story he did) but now he butchers his characters for money....and it is so poorly obvious....

all the events spideys been through...
especially giving him organic webs after the movie was released. having him don the black suit during sm3 for NO really good reason and written HIGHLY out of continuity.

 

[Blader5489]

You know what would have been better? If Jim Shooter hadn't forced the marriage into the comics in the first place.

 

[Themanofbat]

And if people want to read about a grown up married Peter, them they should read the Amazing Spider-Girl.

 

[Styleshift]

And if people want to read about a grown up married Peter, them they should read the Amazing Spider-Girl.

Yeah because we all know it's way more cooler reading about a guy in his mid twenties that lives with his aunt. lol. t:

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah because we all know it's way more cooler reading about a guy in his mid twenties that lives with his aunt. lol. t:

Proof of your ignorance here... as the Amazing Spider-Girl is an awesome read, as many of the pro & anti BND people on this board will tell you.

You should give it a shot...

 

[Themanofbat]

And also, if you're going to point out the "obvious" fact that Marvel wanted a single Spider-Man as early as 1994 when the Clone Saga began, then leave Joe Q out of this conversation because it's obvious that a single Spider-Man is a Marvel Comics Inc. agenda, and not simply a JQ agenda.

 

[Brand]

And if people want to read about a grown up married Peter, them they should read the Amazing Spider-Girl.

You're right that ASG is awesome, but the problem with this argument is that the series is not about Spider-Man. Peter has only donned the costume once or twice through all 100+ issues of SG and ASG. The focus is on Mayday, as it should be.

There should be an option for the many fans who want a responsible, married Spider-Man, too.

 

[Blader5489]

You're right that ASG is awesome, but the problem with this argument is that the series is not about Spider-Man. Peter has only donned the costume once or twice through all 100+ issues of SG and ASG. The focus is on Mayday, as it should be.

There should be an option for the many fans who want a responsible, married Spider-Man, too.

Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man

 

[Donald Thomas]

And also, if you're going to point out the "obvious" fact that Marvel wanted a single Spider-Man as early as 1994 when the Clone Saga began, then leave Joe Q out of this conversation because it's obvious that a single Spider-Man is a Marvel Comics Inc. agenda, and not simply a JQ agenda.

Aloha,
I don't care how many times you try and educate some of these good folks about the facts of the marriage, their eyes are stuck in a tunnel and can only see Joe Q's butt. But, to repeat, Marvel Comics has wanted a single Peter Parker-LONG before Joe Q was the EIC.Who ever took over as the EIC, would have been charged with making a single Peter happen.The nice thing is that we are now coming into a whole new generation of Spider-Man fans, both from the movies as well as the new cartoon.These folks are not coming with an expectation of a married Peter nor a dead Harry Osborn. As one of the oldest people on these boards, I'm here to tell you, time is not standing still for anyone. Either you get with the times or they pass you by. Because as much as I love and enjoy the past history of Spider-Man, I must except the fact that if I'm going to read Spider-Man in 2008 and beyond,IT'S A BRAND NEW DAY!
Spidey rules

 

[USMC]

Nah, they'll change it back.

 

[Blader5489]

Nah, they'll change it back.

No, they won't.

 

[farmernudie]

It'll defintely be changed back, it's only a matter of time.

The only question is how long this detour thru the boondocks will last.

 

[USMC]

No, they won't.

Yes, they will. Around the same time you change that sig about the dead drug user, probably.

 

[Blader5489]

Yes, they will. Around the same time you change that sig about the dead drug user, probably.

**** off.

 

[USMC]

**** off.

Was it something I said? Used drugs. Dead. So don't do drugs, kids.

 

[Doc Destruction]

**** off.

Classy retort.

And yes, they will bring the marriage back. I'd bet money on it.

 

[Blader5489]

Classy retort.

And yes, they will bring the marriage back. I'd bet money on it.

Marvel got what it has wanted for years and it hasn't dramatically affected sales. ASM is still selling in the top 15 every month. There's no financial reason, the only reason, to bring back the marriage back.

 

[Brand]

Mr. and Mrs. Spider-Man

A short series (only part of Spider-Man Family) that is forced to share pages with BND in no way compares to giving viable alternatives to fans of either side (or fans of both sides, for that matter). Marvel had multiple ongoing titles with young, single Spider-Men before OMD, and the 616 was the only older, married version. Now there is not a single ongoing title devoted to the mature, responsible type of character we've had for the past 20 years.

Come on. You can't honestly be arguing that the current situation is fair (or even remotely as fair as the old setup), can you?

 

[Themanofbat]

Come on. You can't honestly be arguing that the current situation is fair (or even remotely as fair as the old setup), can you?

Of course it isn't... but the wonderful part about Spider-Man comics is that they've always been about change... and sometimes, it was change that the fans might not have liked... ie; Peter can't be with Betty, death of Gwen, new radical black costume, marriage to MJ,. death of certain villains & supporting cast, etc...

And while I have been enjoying the new direction, I do EXPECT that certain changes will be addressed, and I certainly will not accept the "magic bullet" explanation.

So for the time being, rather than being a sour puss, I am enjoying the stories for what they are... good ol'fashioned Spidey fun stories.

 

[farmernudie]

Blader: There's no financial reason, the only reason, to bring back the marriage back.

Well, uh,...there are actually lots of reasons why they might want (and will) bring the marriage back.

1.) To get back into continuity and back on track before we veered off into an alternate devil inspired never-never land.

2.) To tell good stories

3.) Because the customer wants it that way

4.) Because they're still married now and part of their soul remembers it

5.) Because Satan's power is evil and evil shouldn't prevail here

6.) To regain a sense of progression and (again continuity of sorts)

7.) It's hard to write within a box forever, with such an agenda and parameters where nothing can progress

8.) Because when something is meant to be, it is meant to be, and the devil nor JQ nor anyone can stop that force

9.) Because as more Spidey movies come out, Peter won't be dealing MJ to the devil in that nor throwing a whole world under the bus to Satan, and MArvel may want people to recognize spidey's world whe they read it

10.) Because someone at Marvel may realize that it is not in character for Pete to deal his wife to the devil, and make AUnt May into a devil powered Gollum, or abort his child thru mystical satanic powers, or mindwipe an entire planet and swiss cheese their brains with the Devil magical magic??!

I mean, i sure people could go on and on easily with factors BESIDES MONEY as to why Marvel will restore the marriage.

 

[spidey-dude]

Of course it isn't... but the wonderful part about Spider-Man comics is that they've always been about change... and sometimes, it was change that the fans might not have liked... ie; Peter can't be with Betty, death of Gwen, new radical black costume, marriage to MJ,. death of certain villains & supporting cast, etc...

And while I have been enjoying the new direction, I do EXPECT that certain changes will be addressed, and I certainly will not accept the "magic bullet" explanation.

So for the time being, rather than being a sour puss, I am enjoying the stories for what they are... good ol'fashioned Spidey fun stories.

it's not really change though if its just trying to revert back to the way things were, pete and mj having a baby would be change, aunt may dying and staying dead would be change, this is just stupid, glad I gave up spiderman when they killed good ol ben reilly cause its been crap since then I wih he was still spidey

 

[Blader5489]

I think if people took off the rose-tinted glasses, they would see what a boring character Ben Reilly was.

 

[ZollyBeckerShow]

Spiderman won't get new readers from the cartoon, Kids don't read comics.
I was the last kid who was indoctrinated into comics- that was almost 20 years ago.

The Clone saga was a mean to un-marry Peter, but it changed into a two year unsolveable problem. With the Skrull crap, they could say that MJ is and always has been a skrull.
That would also suck.
After ASM v.2 #50 they should have ended all 616 based Spidey titles.

I always thought they should restart ASM about 10 years down the line.
Where MJ had died and Peter was a mid-forties'ish single dad of teenage girls who hangs out in a bad crowd. Events transpire where Peter who is the EIC of the bugle has to become Spiderman again.
The dynamic of the series would have Spiderman's daughter be the aunt May type role as someone who both relies and underestimates Peter. It shoud be canon.

 

[USMC]

And while I have been enjoying the new direction, I do EXPECT that certain changes will be addressed, and I certainly will not accept the "magic bullet" explanation.

So for the time being, rather than being a sour puss, I am enjoying the stories for what they are... good ol'fashioned Spidey fun stories.

How long are you willing to give Marvel for explanations before you stop reading? Or buying? Or neither? I mean, how will you voice your displeasure if they don't give an explanation? Not to change it back to the real (my opinion) status quo, but to at least explain the new one?

And which specific things are you looking for explanations for?

I know you're enjoying the direction, just wondering at what point will you not enjoy it anymore, IF they don't give some rational explanations?

(IF, of course.)

 

[USMC]

Spiderman won't get new readers from the cartoon, Kids don't read comics.
I was the last kid who was indoctrinated into comics- that was almost 20 years ago.

The Clone saga was a mean to un-marry Peter, but it changed into a two year unsolveable problem. With the Skrull crap, they could say that MJ is and always has been a skrull.
That would also suck.
After ASM v.2 #50 they should have ended all 616 based Spidey titles.

I always thought they should restart ASM about 10 years down the line.
Where MJ had died and Peter was a mid-forties'ish single dad of teenage girls who hangs out in a bad crowd. Events transpire where Peter who is the EIC of the bugle has to become Spiderman again.
The dynamic of the series would have Spiderman's daughter be the aunt May type role as someone who both relies and underestimates Peter. It shoud be canon.

Um, no.