PC Police On FIlm

[DarthSkywalker]

But even if they don't have that money, they can still make a change. Fund projects that reflect their views. Support the stuff that caters to their interests. That way, when the industry sees a demand for what they like, they will make more of it, because that's how economics works, among other things. And just to clear up something I said earlier, they are 100% entitled to write about whatever they want, as it's a good way to spread the word, but I also have the right to be critical of it, since it's available for public viewing. I was rather unfair on that point.

Why is that women need to fund projects they have interest in? We don't ask male audiences to do this. Also, I would think the crazy success of female lead projects would be a enough. Isn't that the argument made for male projects? They make money, so we get more?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

 

[redhawk23]

Scorsese has not had a female driven film in 30 plus yrs or so. I don't consider him sexist.
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Scorsese is not sexist, he simply makes movies that reflect a certain point of view.

The problem comes about when those with that same point of view are nearly the only ones given access to the resources to make films.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Scorsese is not sexist, he simply makes movies that reflect a certain point of view.

The problem comes about when those with that same point of view are nearly the only ones given access to the resources to make films.

You are correct, sir. I just brought up Marty cause someone brought him up in a similar topic elsewhere. Tis' all on me.

 

[Sawyer]

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[KRYPTON INC.]

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That seems too gay.

 

[Sawyer]

That seems too gay.

Pfffft. Please. Not until Anthony Edwards' scrawny ass hits the gym and pops that shirt off.

But 3 out of 4 guys shirtless? Nah. That's pretty average hetero stuff. I mean, it's not like the Beauty and the Beast thread or anything...

 

[jmc]

Directors and creative types can use whatever characters they feel like using. They don't have to conform to anything and nor should they.

 

[Napoleon]

Why is that women need to fund projects they have interest in? We don't ask male audiences to do this. Also, I would think the crazy success of female lead projects would be a enough. Isn't that the argument made for male projects? They make money, so we get more?

I personally feel that this situation is not as bad as some make it out to be, and even if it is, it's getting better. If The Force Awakens is a success (and I guarantee it will be) then maybe it will set an example for other big-budget films to follow. Fury Road has already done that I'd say. Sicario is another film I'm extremely excited for that's also getting a lot of positive buzz. Either way, I think that this will be seen as a very good year for women in movies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Directors and creative types can use whatever characters they feel like using. They don't have to conform to anything and nor should they.

I agree. The problem is they do, everyday. To producers and what they think will make the money.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I mean, is it not safe to assume that action isn't necessarily a genre for females as much as it is for males?

How many romantic comedies are there exclusively made for men? How about just romantic films? How about Nicholas Sparks films catered mostly to guys?

We can get as silly as you want. Why don't we have any R-rated Pixar films? Where are all the comedies that take place during the Holocaust? If there isn't a huge audience, there isn't a huge audience.

Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey and Magic Mike were not made for males at all, and I don't think the guys give a damn.

If they thought a Black Widow movie would make money, they'd make it. They think in terms of dollars, not in terms of what's PC. We're demanding companies to make products that won't sell... That's not how business works.

You are not making a good point at all so stop trying to pretend that you are. You've said this stuff before and it always makes me cringe. The Hunger Games 100% proves that female lead genre films can succeed and that franchise is bigger than most male lead franchises. Lucy was another female lead hit and so were even crappy action films like Tomb Raider, Salt and Divergent. If the films are treated with the respect and given the same kind of marketing female led genre films can succeed. Hell even an action comedy like Spy made money.

Marvel are making Captain Marvel so obviously they think that there is money in female led superheroes and WB are finally making Wonder Woman so they obviously believe the same thing at the moment. Black Widow is a tricky character to give a big budget movie the same reason lame ass Hawkeye would be hard pressed to get a film, they are just spies with no special gimmick to market. Marvel are not really in the business of making spy movies, they are making superhero movies. Yes spy movies can succeed but that just isn't what they do. I think it's a tricky project for them so I understand why it hasn't happened yet.

 

[SuperFerret]

I saw the movie twice, and I have tried to break down the scene. But honestly I am still not sure what the intent is. But that she calls herself a monster in such close proximity to mentioning not being able to have kids, leaves an ocean of questions on what the intent is. Whether they are in a committed relationship or not really isn't relevant. We are talking about how Widow views herself as person, as a woman.

The intent is to show that Natasha views herself as a monster. It's a theme for her in the Avengers films. She has "red in her ledger", and she lost her childhood and her ability to conceive, which would be a huge blow to anyone as young as she is. And yes, I imagine forced sterilization to be a bit worse psychologically for women (who carry the fetus to term) than men (who biologically only matter at the beginning), especially if Natasha wanted a family (she knows Clint's family, and probably wonders "why not me?"). It is worth noting that men also place a large degree of importance to their gonads as well, and many men would have identity crises if they suddenly became castrated.




Overall, I'll never understand the anti-PC crowd. Yeah, some people may go overboard and be highly aggressive about it, but "political correctness" is a good thing, and the fact we even debate it is an AMAZING thing. It means that everyone gets a voice, not just the majority, and the debate means that those voices are at least somewhat respected (if they weren't, the response would be to just wave them off, as they were in the past).

 

[Loki882]

It's to whine about "PC" when YOUR tastes are being constantly catered to. Heck I'm a White, 20-something year old, heterosexual guy, I have LOTS of movies that "cater to me," with more constantly on the way. So I'm covered, and I'm also able to see that many other groups don't get nearly as much, either in front of the camera or behind. And yes, that's a problem.

As for AOU, I actually didn't have a problem with BW there. I got the real implication of that scene right away.