Comics Pete in Black with Gwen....

[shinlyle]

It won't ruin anything.

Her death was what 35 years ago or something? This isn't even the same Spider-Man anymore. This book is limping along. I, for one, would love to see a major shake up.

This could be fun. I mean, we've been put through Gwen sleeping with Norm and had having his kids and Spider-Man did stab a guy and ate his head and soul-- not to mention he died and then came out of his own body....Oh and did I mention the Spider-God?

What the f*** ya know? That's what happens when you tell 40 years worth of stories without resetting the damn thing.

So, We should probably reset every comic after about 100 issues or so, huh? I guess we could look forward to Ultimate Spider-man vol.2 #1 and ASM vol.6 #1 if you were in charge, huh?

Sorry, kid, but I'm more of the mind that we should bring in writers who will honor the past, not feel the need to ignore it and just make up backstories as they go along *cough*JMS*cough*. The whole thought of a retcon sounds totally silly. There's nothing believable about it. It's the reason why I don't buy DC much, anymore. Too many continuity-****s and asanine resets and retcons.

Just tell a story with what you've got, or go the hell away and let someone else do it.

 

[Norman Osborn]

So, We should probably reset every comic after about 100 issues or so, huh? I guess we could look forward to Ultimate Spider-man vol.2 #1 and ASM vol.6 #1 if you were in charge, huh?

Sorry, kid, but I'm more of the mind that we should bring in writers who will honor the past, not feel the need to ignore it and just make up backstories as they go along *cough*JMS*cough*. The whole thought of a retcon sounds totally silly. There's nothing believable about it. It's the reason why I don't buy DC much, anymore. Too many continuity-****s and asanine resets and retcons.

Just tell a story with what you've got, or go the hell away and let someone else do it.

Or change the past as much as you want...just label it correctly..."ULTIMATE"!!!

 

[SuperFerret]

Isnt it possible that it's Gwen's daughter, not Gwen, swinging around with black suit Spidey in that pic...?

My first impression was that the black suit Spidey and Gwen represented Pete's past and that he was moving forward away from them.

 

[shinlyle]

Or change the past as much as you want...just label it correctly..."ULTIMATE"!!!

That's an idea! We could start up a totally new Spdiey title for peopel who don't care about continuity, and we'll call it Spider-man: LITE! No...ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN! Great idea, man! Then, we'll be able to keep the original title, Amazing Spider-man going, and the older fans can read it without them having to endure any stupid retcons or mindwipes or any other such stupidity!

I wonder if Marvel will go for it....

 

[Norman Osborn]

That's an idea! We could start up a totally new Spdiey title for peopel who don't care about continuity, and we'll call it Spider-man: LITE! No...ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN! Great idea, man! Then, we'll be able to keep the original title, Amazing Spider-man going, and the older fans can read it without them having to endure any stupid retcons or mindwipes or any other such stupidity!

I wonder if Marvel will go for it....

We should pitch it to them.....sure "Ultimate Spider-man" seems like a dorky title but we could refine that later in the process...maybe we can get Brian Bendis to write it?...he's big on not knowing what happened last week in Marvel!!

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

New OMD Teaser poster has Loki DarDevil and Gwen on it.


What I dont understand is, if Marvel is trying to ignore SP why do people think the girl is not Gwen?

 

[farmernudie]

SHINLYLE: That's an idea! We could start up a totally new Spdiey title for peopel who don't care about continuity, and we'll call it Spider-man: LITE! No...ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN! Great idea, man! Then, we'll be able to keep the original title, Amazing Spider-man going, and the older fans can read it without them having to endure any stupid retcons or mindwipes or any other such stupidity!

I wonder if Marvel will go for it....

Good Idea, Whole new title, whole new #1 to sell..."Spider-Man: Whack".

A title where anything goes.

They can kill off Gwen, Uncle Ben, ANYONE CENTRAL TO ANY STORYLINE and then YANK THEM BACK TO LIFE every other issue if they want to. No continuity....anything goes stories..it doesn't have to make sense with anything....they can write shock and awe events every issue if they want. Pete can be in love triangles galore in his new series...or even be in love trapazoids!!!-Even more exciting for the single 10 year olds with ADD that would be flocking to this new title.

And that way, they can leave "real-world" spidey alone, and they can have SPIDEY WHACK POWERS, ACTIVATE!,...over in THAT realm. t:

 

[Gabbra49]

i could care less if she came back anyways. The claiic story she was in was ruined the second the first issue of sins past came out. Its not even the same spiderman anymore. Peter apparently now eats peoples heads and he has new wolverine claws. I could really care less what happens now i dont know how anything could be much worse than the crap that has come out in the past 2-3 years. Its sad when you dont even recognize the same character you have been reading about for years.

 

[farmernudie]

Don't forget that Spidey can also NOW tell what direction the wind is blowing by the hair on his arms.

t:


Genious! And better than his spikes! Maybe Stan can work arm hair and wrist spikes into his sunday strips to suck in more fans!???

 

[shinlyle]

Stan Lee says: Read the Spider-Man comics, or Spidey'll stab you through the wrists and eat your soul! EXCELSIOR!!!t:

 

[SuperFerret]

Don't forget that Spidey can also NOW tell what direction the wind is blowing by the hair on his arms.

Give me a sleeveless t-shirt on a windy day and so can I.

 

[MattXG]

i could care less if she came back anyways. The claiic story she was in was ruined the second the first issue of sins past came out. Its not even the same spiderman anymore. Peter apparently now eats peoples heads and he has new wolverine claws. I could really care less what happens now i dont know how anything could be much worse than the crap that has come out in the past 2-3 years. Its sad when you dont even recognize the same character you have been reading about for years.

Ding ding ding.

Precisely, how I feel.

Imagine being me, I don't recall where I learned the Spidey mythos from outside of comics, I think my dad told it to me. But I know I knew the core storyline of Spider-Man before the 90's cartoon, but the seond movie made me want to read the comics....

And I believe we were either right in the middle or just finishing Sins Past, he was a school teacher, and Spidey just got his organic web shooters. I was absolutely shocked. I was sick. "What the hell is this?!" I said. This isn't the Spider-Man I heard about all these years. Then, it occurred to me. Spider-Man is a 40 freakin' year old story! No wonder the character is unrecognizable to me. So much has happened to him that I can't even read about....

Then, this beam of light eminated from a nearby book shelf...What's this? Ultimate Spider-man? Just from the first couple of arcs it was evident that THIS was the Spider-Man I had heard about growing up. The Spider-Man I was looking to read.

 

[OtepApe]

I became a Spider-man fan around 94 or so, due to the influence of the Animated Series. Not long after I became a fan, the Clone Saga hit. A very bad patch in Spidey's publishing life, I think we can all agree on that. But I didn't just stick with the Spidey of that time. Eventually I was able to read the earlier stories, read good stories of Spidey and leanr more about his life and the characters surrounding it. I became a fan of Spidey but I was ble to find out more about Spidey and decided what I liked about him and what stories I woud like to read about him.

I didn't think, when the Clone Saga hit, that I won't bother reading anymore Spidey coz what was being offered sucked Donkey nuts. I didn't think it should be scrapped and a new Spidey will rise from the ashes, the Spidey I want to read.

I understand that a lot of crap will happen in the course of a characters life, it's bound to happen. Doesn't mean we erase everything from the character to start afresh. Some current writers may write a truly sh***y Sherlock Holmes novel, does that mean we erase Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's work??? I don't think it does. I don't think that should be the case with Spidey.

He's a fully realised character. The fans of this character know who he is, what he represents, his desires, his heartbreaks. They have read about his triumphs, his heartbreaks, the highs and the lows. Do we simply ignore that because right now it's in a bad patch? Does that mean a good Spider-man story won't be written again because the writers right now don't know what they are doing?

Personally, no, I don't think it does. It's lazy, it's ignorant, it's arrogant and it's basically what's wrong with people today. We don't like something, let's not put the hard work in to fix it, let's just reset everything because it makes our job easier.

Personally, I am one old school fan. I love the Lee/Ditko/Romita stuff, the DeMatties and Buscema run, Jenkins/Buckingham stories. I know what Spider-man is, I know who he is and as a fan I don't want all that erased for the sake of am easy workload for writers.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Hey Doc, have you been following JQ around the last 12 months?

Nope... I was painting some drawings with permanent markers in a poorly ventilated room... Maybe that's how HE gets his ideas...

 

[MattXG]

So, We should probably reset every comic after about 100 issues or so, huh? I guess we could look forward to Ultimate Spider-man vol.2 #1 and ASM vol.6 #1 if you were in charge, huh?

Sorry, kid, but I'm more of the mind that we should bring in writers who will honor the past, not feel the need to ignore it and just make up backstories as they go along *cough*JMS*cough*. The whole thought of a retcon sounds totally silly. There's nothing believable about it. It's the reason why I don't buy DC much, anymore. Too many continuity-****s and asanine resets and retcons.

Just tell a story with what you've got, or go the hell away and let someone else do it.

I'm not sure if I'd use issues or years as the cap. I think I'd rather go with years.... Every 10 years, reset it.

This way, it'd be easier for new comers to join in. The old folks could get closure and there would be absolutely no reason to resort to this type of character annihilation we've seen with the 616 Spider-Man due to 40 years of stories compounded over multiple lines of books....

 

[MattXG]

I became a Spider-man fan around 94 or so, due to the influence of the Animated Series. Not long after I became a fan, the Clone Saga hit. A very bad patch in Spidey's publishing life, I think we can all agree on that. But I didn't just stick with the Spidey of that time. Eventually I was able to read the earlier stories, read good stories of Spidey and leanr more about his life and the characters surrounding it. I became a fan of Spidey but I was ble to find out more about Spidey and decided what I liked about him and what stories I woud like to read about him.

I didn't think, when the Clone Saga hit, that I won't bother reading anymore Spidey coz what was being offered sucked Donkey nuts. I didn't think it should be scrapped and a new Spidey will rise from the ashes, the Spidey I want to read.

I understand that a lot of crap will happen in the course of a characters life, it's bound to happen. Doesn't mean we erase everything from the character to start afresh. Some current writers may write a truly sh***y Sherlock Holmes novel, does that mean we erase Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's work??? I don't think it does. I don't think that should be the case with Spidey.

He's a fully realised character. The fans of this character know who he is, what he represents, his desires, his heartbreaks. They have read about his triumphs, his heartbreaks, the highs and the lows. Do we simply ignore that because right now it's in a bad patch? Does that mean a good Spider-man story won't be written again because the writers right now don't know what they are doing?

Personally, no, I don't think it does. It's lazy, it's ignorant, it's arrogant and it's basically what's wrong with people today. We don't like something, let's not put the hard work in to fix it, let's just reset everything because it makes our job easier.

Personally, I am one old school fan. I love the Lee/Ditko/Romita stuff, the DeMatties and Buscema run, Jenkins/Buckingham stories. I know what Spider-man is, I know who he is and as a fan I don't want all that erased for the sake of am easy workload for writers.

So tell me, this Spider-Man you know, did his Gwen sleep with the Green Goblin and had his kids? Did his Mary Jane know for YEARS and not tell him? Does he have stingers? Does he have organic webshooters? Does he bite people's heads off and devour their soul? Does he die and crawl out of his own skin? Was he suppose to be Spider-Man because of some Spider-God?

Is that the history of the Spider-Man you know?

Tell me, by "fixing" the character are you proposing we "erase" CERTAIN writers' works because YOU don't agree with them? Kind of ironic...because I wasn't talking about "erasing" anything. I am talking about ending it. You know? With a proper ending and the words "The End" on the back of the page?

It is a story and outside of the comic book most stories don't last 40+ years. I mean, even if you "erase" whatever YOU don't like about the character the fact of the matter is the character still isn't the same character he was when Stan Lee was writing him.

Stan Lee was writing about a kid in the 1960's. Today's Spider-Man will be a late 20's divorced/seperated/widower school teacher (or how much of that are we suppose to erase?). Its not the same character. Do you want to read about a jaded 30 something Spider-Man? Or how bout a balding mid-life crisis 40 something Spider-Man? Where do you draw the line in the sand and say "This is ******ed. Maybe this should stop?"

I'm all for character development but when its 40+ years and its reached this point....Please, for the love of god, end it. Its not the character we once knew and it certainly isn't a character I care to read about. Restart it. Ultimatize Ultimate in a few years and repeat until the story you tell isn't even recognizable to the 616.

That's the way it should be. That way people can feel like they got the whole story and they can always go back and remember which one they liked best. It would also be more fair to new readers. I mean there's already thousands of Spider-Man comics and in another 10 years? Amazing alone will be within 100 issues of 1,000....(At its current pace)

 

[OtepApe]

I wasn't actually saying that. If you read what I had written you might see that.

I am saying you have to take the rough with the smooth. Yes there are bad stories written about Spidey, the same can be said about every comic book character or even fictional character in existence.

In essence, what you have put in the post above is how you seem to feel about Spider-man and what we should do with the character. You are propsing the 'reset' because of what has been published in the last few years. I am actually saying (if you bothered to actually read a word I am writing) is that we SHOULD NOT. Yes JMS has done some craptacular stories, no doubt. I haven't been a fan of his entire run. I disliked the whole mystic origin and everything that came on from that. I am saying we should delete his entire body of Spidey work? No, I am not. I accept that as being a fan of Spider-man, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. A lot of people were left feeling the same way over The Clone Saga. They got over it. We will get over this.

You're the one suggesting we reset everything every ten years or so, I am not. So when you write posts like above, it may be an idea to get the slightest inkling of what the hell I am talking about.

If it's not a character you care to read about, simplest fact is don't read it. At the moment I don't like the direction Spidey is going, so I am not reading it. It's that simple. I want to read Spider-man, but right now I don't feel it's worth my money. I certainly wouldn't be ignorant enough to suggest they change everything on my account. Which, it seems, is what you are suggesting.

So what if characters are reaching 40+ years of being published. Batman has been going for around 70, same with Superman. Good stories are still being written with those characters. Bad ones are also, but like I said earlier, you take the rough with the smooth.

You're coming from the perspective of a new reader. In essence you are being selfish. When I came on board, I was going to whine about things being too complicated for me. I did my research, I found things out about the character. I adapted myself to learn about Spidey. I didn't want tings to change for me.

You don't like 616, don't read it. You like Ultimate fine. But it's ignorant and selfish to suggest people who have grown up reading 616 Spidey to forget all about who that character was.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I'm not sure if I'd use issues or years as the cap. I think I'd rather go with years.... Every 10 years, reset it.

This way, it'd be easier for new comers to join in. The old folks could get closure and there would be absolutely no reason to resort to this type of character annihilation we've seen with the 616 Spider-Man due to 40 years of stories compounded over multiple lines of books....

THIS press the reset button mentality is why Spidey books have gone down the Drain...

Quesada has stated various times his dislike for the marriage and a return to a young Charlie Brown-esque Spidey, and his dislike for continuity... Besides getting Back issues is made easier with the Essentials, Trade Paper Backs, and there is also the web (samruby, Spider-fan, Donald Thomas' AMZ Spidey Library, to name a few sites...)or the Spidey Guide by Tom DeFalco (If you're into reading the stuff on paper...)

He's been forcing us crap in order to Reset and "Save" spidey... who was in a rut after the events of the last Reboot. JMS came and gave us a false hope, until Gwen did the Nasty with Norman... made MJ a female dog by keeping this from Peter. Then the Magical Totem origin became the offical Origin... Unmasking, May being shot... (suddenly the clones are looking nicer by the minute) Press Reset Button; BADA BING; we get rehashes of old stories in order to Return Pete and MJ together; slap up some new (or Rehased) crap to separate them... Lather, Rinse, Repeat...

Spidey would get the DC treatment... WTF...

 

[MattXG]

I wasn't actually saying that. If you read what I had written you might see that.

I am saying you have to take the rough with the smooth. Yes there are bad stories written about Spidey, the same can be said about every comic book character or even fictional character in existence.

In essence, what you have put in the post above is how you seem to feel about Spider-man and what we should do with the character. You are propsing the 'reset' because of what has been published in the last few years. I am actually saying (if you bothered to actually read a word I am writing) is that we SHOULD NOT. Yes JMS has done some craptacular stories, no doubt. I haven't been a fan of his entire run. I disliked the whole mystic origin and everything that came on from that. I am saying we should delete his entire body of Spidey work? No, I am not. I accept that as being a fan of Spider-man, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. A lot of people were left feeling the same way over The Clone Saga. They got over it. We will get over this.

You're the one suggesting we reset everything every ten years or so, I am not. So when you write posts like above, it may be an idea to get the slightest inkling of what the hell I am talking about.

Hold the phone. I don't think you READ what I posted.

You clearly said they should "fix" the errors made. How do they "fix" these errors? Also, in this post here you again allude to the fact that things should be "erased" from JMS' run in order for things to be "fixed".

Again, you didn't read what I posted. I am not saying we "reset because of the bad stories in the last few years". I am saying we should reset it so younger readers have a chance to get on board from the beginning. So they can get on board when the comic is relevant to their time. So that the character isn't annihilated by 40+ years of history and screw ups that have to be constantly messed with. Also, I just don't like the character of late 20's Peter Parker. It is boring compared to him in high school/college as a student. That is why I think they should reset every decade.

If it's not a character you care to read about, simplest fact is don't read it. At the moment I don't like the direction Spidey is going, so I am not reading it. It's that simple. I want to read Spider-man, but right now I don't feel it's worth my money. I certainly wouldn't be ignorant enough to suggest they change everything on my account. Which, it seems, is what you are suggesting.

So what if characters are reaching 40+ years of being published. Batman has been going for around 70, same with Superman. Good stories are still being written with those characters. Bad ones are also, but like I said earlier, you take the rough with the smooth.

They also had the brains to see that 70+ years of the same story is just plain stupid. They've reset their continuity a couple of times. Though, they've made a mess of it because they were too afraid or too stupid just to completely end the one universe and start another with no reference to the previous....

You're coming from the perspective of a new reader. In essence you are being selfish. When I came on board, I was going to whine about things being too complicated for me. I did my research, I found things out about the character. I adapted myself to learn about Spidey. I didn't want tings to change for me.

You don't like 616, don't read it. You like Ultimate fine. But it's ignorant and selfish to suggest people who have grown up reading 616 Spidey to forget all about who that character was.

And in 10 years, I'm sure college's will start teaching "Spider-Man history 101" because there is going to be so much **** on his record you'll need a college course just to understand it all...Its just dumb. I can't think of any other medium where there is a continuing story of 40+ years...Good reason for this, too. Of course, since it isn't the same character anymore I guess that would be misleading.

BTW just because I call for an end to 616 doesn't mean I'm asking you to "forget all about who that character was". You can still go back and read your 60's comics whenever the hell you feel like.

 

[MattXG]

THIS press the reset button mentality is why Spidey books have gone down the Drain...

Quesada has stated various times his dislike for the marriage and a return to a young Charlie Brown-esque Spidey, and his dislike for continuity... Besides getting Back issues is made easier with the Essentials, Trade Paper Backs, and there is also the web (samruby, Spider-fan, Donald Thomas' AMZ Spidey Library, to name a few sites...)or the Spidey Guide by Tom DeFalco (If you're into reading the stuff on paper...)

He's been forcing us crap in order to Reset and "Save" spidey... who was in a rut after the events of the last Reboot. JMS came and gave us a false hope, until Gwen did the Nasty with Norman... made MJ a female dog by keeping this from Peter. Then the Magical Totem origin became the offical Origin... Unmasking, May being shot... (suddenly the clones are looking nicer by the minute) Press Reset Button; BADA BING; we get rehashes of old stories in order to Return Pete and MJ together; slap up some new (or Rehased) crap to separate them... Lather, Rinse, Repeat...

Spidey would get the DC treatment... WTF...

Exactly, there is a HUGE difference between what I propose and what Joey Q is doing and what DC did.

I am saying they should have an event someday that literally puts "The end" on all of the 616 Universe.

What DC does is just too dumb to believe they are doing it and it appears that Marvel is going to try to be just as dumb with OMD.

Ultimate Spider-Man is so much more true to the Spider-Man you all speak of its not even funny. So why not have this be the true Spider-Man (for now)? Then end the Ultimate Universe when it runs out of the magic and start a new universe with the same characters just different happenings, different takes.

 

[dan1]

And in 10 years, I'm sure college's will start teaching "Spider-Man history 101" because there is going to be so much **** on his record you'll need a college course just to understand it all...Its just dumb. I can't think of any other medium where there is a continuing story of 40+ years...Good reason for this, too. Of course, since it isn't the same character anymore I guess that would be misleading.

BTW just because I call for an end to 616 doesn't mean I'm asking you to "forget all about who that character was". You can still go back and read your 60's comics whenever the hell you feel like.

Matt you make a lot of sense in your posts, but the only problem is they were successful in telling the story with pretty good use of continuity for almost 40 years. It didn't seem very difficult for them.

Now during JMS' entire run, or more importantly JQ and Alonzo's Editorial run, the Spider-Man team is all of a sudden pathetic at it.

What's up with that? More than 1/2 the people on this freaking board alone can do a better job than JQ and Alonzo have editorally.

That's what most people are t-ed off about, imo.

 

[MattXG]

Matt you make a lot of sense in your posts, but the only problem is they were successful in telling the story with pretty good use of continuity for almost 40 years. It didn't seem very difficult for them.

Now during JMS' entire run, or more importantly JQ and Alonzo's Editorial run, the Spider-Man team is all of a sudden pathetic at it.

What's up with that? More than 1/2 the people on this freaking board alone can do a better job than JQ and Alonzo have editorally.

That's what most people are t-ed off about, imo.

I dunno about that.

The Clone saga isn't exactly adored by all and that was before JQ.

Writers have been saying they wished Spidey didn't get married long before JQ was in control.

Spider-Man's baby was kidnapped and killed(?) before JQ. Of course, such a small event as that in someone's life doesn't even get mentioned in today's comic...

Its just so stupid. End it already. Its not even the same character anymore. I have no problem advancing the character through life a bit but come on...

If they keep on this track, they are going to turn into DC with its complete cluster**** of a "history" for its characters...Every event will be about changing major characters' history...isn't that more degraded to the original works than simply ending their story outright?

If DC wasn't too afraid to write a story that said "this ends this universe's Superman/Batman", they wouldn't need major "events" to say "Well, this is what actually happened in their past now..." As if by ending the story somehow degrades the great earlier works...Stories end. Its not something bad, its part of the process.

 

[shinlyle]

I'm not sure if I'd use issues or years as the cap. I think I'd rather go with years.... Every 10 years, reset it.

This way, it'd be easier for new comers to join in. The old folks could get closure and there would be absolutely no reason to resort to this type of character annihilation we've seen with the 616 Spider-Man due to 40 years of stories compounded over multiple lines of books....

See, I think hitting the "reset" button is nothing but a lame cop-out. "Oh, so you've been reading Spidey since the 80's, huh? Well, too bad, it never happened."

If people are really into a character or comic, then they will WANT to read the backstory. Also, a GOOD WRITER can write a story that doesn't abuse continuity while at the same time not needing as a crutch. It's called "TALENT"....something missing from more and more writers, nowadays.

Also, it's easy to say, "Hit the reset button", when you've only been reading for a couple of years. Wait until Ultimate Spider-Man is on issue 200, being written by someone else, and they totally undo what Bendis has done, and then they go to reset the whole book and retell the same crap over again. That's what's being done here, and it's pathetic.

 

[shinlyle]

I dunno about that.

The Clone saga isn't exactly adored by all and that was before JQ.

Writers have been saying they wished Spidey didn't get married long before JQ was in control.

Spider-Man's baby was kidnapped and killed(?) before JQ. Of course, such a small event as that in someone's life doesn't even get mentioned in today's comic...

Its just so stupid. End it already. Its not even the same character anymore. I have no problem advancing the character through life a bit but come on...

If they keep on this track, they are going to turn into DC with its complete cluster**** of a "history" for its characters...Every event will be about changing major characters' history...isn't that more degraded to the original works than simply ending their story outright?

If DC wasn't too afraid to write a story that said "this ends this universe's Superman/Batman", they wouldn't need major "events" to say "Well, this is what actually happened in their past now..." As if by ending the story somehow degrades the great earlier works...Stories end. Its not something bad, its part of the process.

End it? Wow...comics would be in such a sad state if you were in charge, man.

 

[farmernudie]

I would hate to read comics starting and completely ending all the time, whatever amount of years one would propose for it.

The spider-man character or any character would never truly develop, because he would/could be something different every time. And then who would really care???...because you'd know that the story would come to an end and then they'd just reset it all starting over again. Blah.

It's much simpler to just bring in good writers who want to follow along and not do such far out shocking events, and arcs constantly. Everything is a BIG TITLED ARC...going for shock and awe and ADVERTISING....instead of just a good STORY selling ITSELF.

The problem is that we've strayed away from the 12 issues a year, and a annual....and have for the most part gone to one shocking "event" after another. And one ARC after another. They plan everything in "ARCS"...and the "new creative team".

IMO, One of the reasons USM is/was so popular because while it may have had story arcs per say, it kept the same team...and had a "flow" to it. And the arcs were not really "shocking events" where they re-invented personalities, costumes, powers, origins, etc, every other ARC.