Rise of the Silver Surfer PG Rating: DISCUSSION

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And Rocky was R and made lots of money.

Rocky Balboa however, did not.

And it's one thing when R movies are brought to PG-13 to get the teen crowd, but not many teens want to see an "action" movie with PG slapped on its ass. Come on...

If the first one was highly popular, it'd have a better chance. But not many liked it. So...:(:down

Rocky was PG you nut. LOL
 
The difference between PG and PG-13 does effect a parents mindset. Sure there are probably millions of parents that don't care...but there are millions that do. I guarantee you there are no parents who will complain about an PG rating if they already let there kids to see PG-13. It opens the door wide open without sacrificing quality.

There are problems when taking an R rated franchise and trying to tone it down to widen the audience. That's just stupid in films that need an R rating like Aliens vs Predator and Riddick. I also think Die hard 4 should be R rated however with the amount of violence I've seen in PG-13 films it could still be good.
 
All of the Star Wars films (except Ep. III) are PG.



Lol funny story. When i was in the theater for Ghost Rider there must've been at least 10-13 kids that weren't 13 years old. At least 2 of those kids were babies.

I don't really think that ratings have affected parents. R movies have, but PG-13, PG, and G seem to mean the same to parents.

Ghost Rider was good but it was damn dissapointing just because of its lightness. Ghost Rider is NOT a light character. Hell no.

And Star Wars, well what do they do in those? Shoot lasers at ships, nothing big, and fight with light sabers. There's nothing to make it PG-13 there. There wasn't much hand combat. Episode III however was awesome because of the epic feel with the heavy fights they had.

Why was Spider-Man PG-13? Violence, action. Why should Fantastic Four be PG-13? Um...violence and action...
 
Ghost Rider was good but it was damn dissapointing just because of its lightness. Ghost Rider is NOT a light character. Hell no.

And Star Wars, well what do they do in those? Shoot lasers at ships, nothing big, and fight with light sabers. There's nothing to make it PG-13 there. There wasn't much hand combat. Episode III however was awesome because of the epic feel with the heavy fights they had.

Why was Spider-Man PG-13? Violence, action. Why should Fantastic Four be PG-13? Um...violence and action...

Nothing to make it PG-13? Ok a light sabre cutting a hand off, a planet beign destroyed with millions killed, that orb with the needle, Princess schedule for termination, Obi one killed, people being killed by laser guns, Luke watching his buddies x-wings vaporize as they burn alive, etc...Of course it could be seen either way. That's why I'm saying PG is ok for this material. The first film should have been PG in all honesty and any scene in the first one that pushed the boundries could have but edited and no effected the film. It's a PG franchise.
 
Then why wasn't Star Wars PG-13 then?

All I'm saying is PG action or superhero movies have high problems of usually being kiddy, crappy action scenes because of the hold-backs, and they USUALLY end up sucking...

I love the Fantastic Four but please no PG rating...:down
 
I think it will lose money.
Not many teenagers are going to go see it because they dont want to see some lame PG movie. National Treasure? No hand-to-hand combat or big fight scenes. Many will disagree, but i think FF1 suffered big time. It got slammed by a lot of people, including myself. What this series needs to revive itself is ACTION. Thats what people go to see in the summer. And yes, action can bump up a rating. Look at Spider-Man. Why is it PG-13? Stylized Action. And even if they kept all the darkness and action in at a PG-13, all the parents WILL STILL take there little kitties out to see it. Y? because the kids will beg their parentsa until it drives them nuts. So keep it the way it was going. Its still gonna do as well in the box office and with me if it stays at PG-13. It will prolly pick up even more bucks along the way.
 
Well, after reading all ADs posts I have now come to the conclusion that this franchise is just not my cup-o-tea. Thanks for letting me see the light.

I wasted all these months thinking we'd get a great superhero movie with character development, serious undertones, emotion and pathos. AD has made me see that it is just your run of the mill kiddie popcorn flick.


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Then why wasn't Star Wars PG-13 then?

All I'm saying is PG action or superhero movies have high problems of usually being kiddy, crappy action scenes because of the hold-backs, and they USUALLY end up sucking...

I love the Fantastic Four but please no PG rating...:down

That's because there was no PG-13 when Star Wars came out. Jeez c'mon guys.
 
Well, after reading all ADs posts I have now come to the conclusion that this franchise is just not my cup-o-tea. Thanks for letting me see the light.

I wasted all these months thinking we'd get a great superhero movie with character development, serious undertones, emotion and pathos. AD has made me see that it is just your run of the mill kiddie popcorn flick.


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It's probably not but I'll bet you watch it. :) I never thought less of a movie that's PG when it should be. There's nothing PG-13 about the first film or the franchise.
 
Dr. Doom himself should warrant a PG-13...and for those who read the novelization...
how could you have this movie be a PG rating when Doom practically rips apart the General or is that a scene we can kiss goodbye? :(
 
It's probably not but I'll bet you watch it. :) I never thought less of a movie that's PG when it should be. There's nothing PG-13 about the first film or the franchise.

The first film had quite a bit of language and adult jokes.

Which is another reason it needs to be PG-13. Alot of jokes in PG movies suck ass because they're just not funny. They're kiddy.
 
It's probably not but I'll bet you watch it. :) I never thought less of a movie that's PG when it should be. There's nothing PG-13 about the first film or the franchise.

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Dr. Doom himself should warrant a PG-13...and for those who read the novelization...
how could you have this movie be a PG rating when Doom practically rips apart the General or is that a scene we can kiss goodbye? :(

Knowing Fox, it was cut.:down
 
While riding his motorcycle, Johnny leans over and kisses a woman driving next to him in her car.
Ben complains that Johnny snuck two lingerie models into a flight simulator and then "crashed it."
Sue shows cleavage in various outfits (some of them rather revealing in terms of being low-cut and/or having some top buttons unbuttoned).
While talking with an attractive woman (and putting on his clothes -- nothing is seen), Johnny suggestively asks her if she wants to help him with his zipper. After she takes his temperature, she states "You're hot" and he replies, "Why thank you, so are you."
While snowboarding, Johnny inadvertently flames up and then lands in a snow bank. When the woman he's with comes across him in his snow hole, she sees him standing there in water up to his waist, shirtless (and presumably nude down below). He then sheepishly asks if she cares to join him, with her shrugging her shoulders in the affirmative and dropping her ski poles (the scene ends there, so nothing else happens). When Johnny returns to see the others, he's just holding a ski parka around his waist (and is otherwise nude and looking very buff).
Ben reluctantly calls his wife to tell her he has a "surprise" for her (his new look) and she says she has one for him as well. She then walks outside (on a city street) to meet him and is just wearing some silky lingerie (but nothing explicit).
Needing to help Ben, Sue turns invisible to get through a crowd, but Reed tells her to lose the clothes to complete the invisible look. We then see her bra around her invisible form, but she then inadvertently turns visible again, showing us her regular body in her small bra and panties (and she quickly places her hands and arms over those parts of her body). Reed sees her this way and says, "Wow, you've been working out." She then goes invisible again and we "see" her invisible form covered by just that bra and panties (that she apparently then takes off to make her way through the crowd -- meaning she's doing so completely nude, although nothing is seen).
When an adoring crowd starts to chase her, Sue apparently strips down (either nude or to her Fantastic Four outfit) to become invisible and thus get away from them (but we don't see anything).
During a montage, Reed walks in on Sue in the shower. She quickly turns invisible and then holds a towel over her invisible form (we don't appear to see any explicit nudity -- if any is there, it's fleeting).
A female reporter suggestively asks Johnny about Reed, saying that she's heard the latter can expand any part of his anatomy. Johnny snidely responds that he always thought Reed was a little limp.
Alicia (who's blind) feels Ben's blocky face, and he reacts to that in a pleasurable fashion.
We see some miscellaneous cleavage.
Alicia tells Ben that he just has to work on his touch (after accidentally crushing a glass), with him then enthusiastically saying he likes the sound of that.
Reed and Sue briefly passionately kiss.

A space storm blasts Ben into a space station. The wave also hits the others in the group, seeming to distort and knock them around.
Ben throws a mirror at Johnny (it slams into the wall and shatters) after the latter pulls a practical joke on him.
Ben jumps down onto a bridge to save a man, and then prepares himself for impact with a tractor trailer. Its cab then smashes into and folds around him, partly going up in the air. That sets off a chain reaction wreck of various vehicles on the bridge.
Cops hold guns on Ben (as the Thing) and as he runs off, it seems that a shot ricochets off his blocky shoulder.
Various large gas canisters then explode, with Johnny shielding a young girl from the dangerous flames, while Sue keeps the other explosions in check via a force-field. An approaching fire truck, however, turns sideways and slides down the bridge, ripping out part of the structure.
Victor punches and dents an elevator wall with his fist.
Trying to see if Ben (as the Thing) has any reflexes during a medical exam, Reed takes a large hammer and whacks him on the knee with it (causing him to inadvertently kick a chair across the room).
Sue's force field inadvertently knocks Reed back out of his seat to the floor.
Upset with the news he's received, Victor grabs a doctor by the neck and tosses him back against a medical light panel (breaking it and possibly killing the man).
Victor zaps a board member with a large electrical blast, leaving a large hole in the man's torso (that we can see through, but there's no blood).
While on fire and flying through the air off his motorcycle, Johnny lands hard on the dirt track but is okay.
We see that Ben has crushed Johnny's car into a ball. He then approaches Johnny and nearly punches him, but walks away. Johnny then fires several fireballs that hit but don't hurt Ben, prompting him to turn around and walk back to Johnny. He then throws a punch that Reed tries to block with his elastic body, but the punch hits Johnny anyway and blasts him back against a billboard.
We see two men lying on the floor with some smoking areas on their body (they're dead or unconscious from unseen blasts from Victor).
Thinking Reed isn't working hard enough to solve their crisis, Ben thumps Reed hard on the shoulder with his blocky finger. He then knocks down Reed who then wraps himself around Ben. Ben tries to knock him away, but Reed's lower half holds on and then proceeds to completely wrap up Ben until he gives up.
Ben smashes a toy (that Johnny was holding) into a wall.
Victor backhands Ben (who's back to normal) across a room, sending him crashing into a wall and knocking him unconscious.
Victor fires two energy blasts at Reed who tries to avoid them, but one blasts him out through the wall. Reed then tries to hold onto the outside of the building, but then loses his grip and falls hard to the street below (but is okay).
Victor blasts a doorman out through a revolving door, leaving him dead or unconscious on the sidewalk.
We see that Victor has super-cooled Reed (leaving him looking frosty) and then bends one of his fingers, causing Reed some pain.
Victor fires a heat seeking missile after Johnny who turns on his flame and flies away, trying to avoid the missile that stays right on his fiery trail. He eventually sends a fireball out onto a barge that catches on fire, causing the missile to strike it and explode (with Johnny then falling into the water, but he's okay).
Sue tries to knock down Victor with a blast from her force field, but he then blasts her backwards with an energy/electrical beam. She turns invisible and hits him several more times with force-field blasts, but he fires a shot back at her. He then grabs her by the throat and tosses her across the room. Ben then shows up and punches Victor quite hard, sending him flying across the room.
Victor races at and blasts Reed out of a building, sending them falling from the sky. They crash through a glass atrium and then down into a pool where they continue to fight underwater, with the pool eventually collapsing beneath them. They end up crashing into an industrial truck, with Ben then flying through the air across the street and landing on a car. Victor then fires an energy blast into a car, with various cops then shooting at him, but the bullets ricochet off him. Moments later, Ben picks up a car and throws it at Victor, knocking him backwards. Victor then blasts him backwards with another energy blast and prepares to strike him with a large metal rod, but Sue uses her force field to protect him.
Victor fires all sorts of electrical energy charges throughout a city block, blasting buildings and vehicles, and knocking some of the Fantastic Four around.
Reed wraps around Victor and then has Johnny go supernova on him, catching him on fire as Sue keeps both enclosed in a force-field. Victor emerges all molten hot, but Ben and Reed then shoot cold water on him, cooling him down into a metal statue.
 
Please forgive me.....^^^^but I did not read your post....ummmmm thats from the first film.....
 
Dr. Doom is PG material. Read the comic book.

You make him out to be Robbie Rotten from that suckass Nick show!:(

Dr. Doom is all about death and destroying. His story is dark.

I want Dr. Doom not Dr....Dumbass!:cmad:
 
Ok guys honestly read below and without knowing anything else except what's below where do you think Fantastic Four should fit. Be freaking honest and your opinion should only be based on the descriptions below...period:



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This is a film which clearly needs to be examined by parents before they let their children attend. The label PG plainly states parents may consider some material unsuitable for their children, but leaves the parent to make the decision. Parents are warned against sending their children, unseen and without inquiry, to PG-rated movies. The theme of a PG-rated film may itself call for parental guidance. There may be some profanity in these films. There may be some violence or brief nudity. However, these elements are not considered so intense as to require that parents be strongly cautioned beyond the suggestion of parental guidance. There is no drug use content in a PG-rated film. The PG rating, suggesting parental guidance, is thus an alert for examination of a film by parents before deciding on its viewing by their children. Obviously such a line is difficult to draw. In our pluralistic society it is not easy to make judgments without incurring some disagreement. As long as parents know they must exercise parental responsibility, the rating serves as a meaningful guide and as a warning.


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PG-13 is thus a sterner warning to parents, particularly when deciding which movies are not suitable for younger children. Parents, by the rating, are alerted to be very careful about the attendance of their under-teenage children. A PG-13 film is one which, in the view of the Rating Board, leaps beyond the boundaries of the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, or other contents, but does not quite fit within the restricted R category. Any drug use content will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. In effect, the PG-13 cautions parents with more stringency than usual to give special attention to this film before they allow their 12-year-olds and younger to attend. If nudity is sexually oriented, the film will generally not be found in the PG-13 category. If violence is too rough or persistent, the film goes into the R (restricted) rating. A film's single use of one of the harsher sexually derived words, though only as an expletive, shall initially require the Rating Board to issue that film at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive must lead the Rating Board to issue a film an R rating, as must even one of these words used in a sexual context. These films can be rated less severely, however, if by a special vote, the Rating Board feels that a lesser rating would more responsibly reflect the opinion of American parents.

PG-13 places larger responsibilities on parents for their children and moviegoing. The voluntary rating system is not a surrogate parent, nor should it be. It cannot, and should not, insert itself in family decisions that only parents can make. Its purpose is to give pre-screened informational warnings, so that parents can form their own judgments. PG-13 is designed to make parental decisions easier for films between PG and R.

There's no need for drug use, repeated profantiy, or nudity with sexual reference is there. There's also a difference between sustained action and sustained violence.
 
OK, my freaking honest opinion is......this is a silly debate....and you are getting alittle too excited over this.....lmao....*smiles*
 
Ur not supposed to read the whole thing, i just wanted everyone to see how long and how much there was in my post.
 
EDIT: Graaaaaah.
 
I don't think it needs to be a heavy PG-13 leaning on R (like Ghost Rider should've ATLEAST been) but PG is way, way too unsuitable.
 
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