Phase 3 Release Schedule Finalized

[MadVillainy]

OT: I dont know why I always forget and think Whedon is Irish or Scottish

But back on topic, I dont know. I think the market is wide open for both, but at the end of the day I just wanna see good characters. And I do think that Ms. Marvel and Black Panther really have that potential. Especially BP.

Ms Marvel could really help open up the Cosmic side of Marvel that GOTG has started

 

[DrCosmic]

Mystique first appeared in a Ms. Mavel issue. Also, the issues you just mentioned are only issues when Carol isn't part of an established universe. She's very much a product of the Marvel Universe and in many ways can't exist without that universe being established first. However, since characters like War Machine, Doctor Strange and Ronan the Accuser already exist, there's room for Carol. Monica now goes by Spectrum so I really doubt that she'd be Captain Marvel. I can still see her teaming up with Carol in a sequel though. The first CM film needs to be an alien abduction film which introduces the Supreme Intelligence and Yonn-Rogg along with Mahr-Vell and his children Phylla and Genis and may also feature a second appearance by Ronan if he survives GOTG. The sequel needs to be about Moonstone with the whole War of the Marvels storyline. I can see Monica debut here as a THIRD Captain Marvel trying to claim ownership of the name but she'd only have a small role. Spectrum wouldn't really have time to develop as a character until Captain Marvel 3.

I'm glad we agree she's a character that doesn't stand on her own, but is derived from more popular more established male characters who do. I'm glad we agree that there's room for her just like there's room for War Machine. I'm glad we agree that illustrious X-Men writer Chris Claremont created mutant Mystique in a Ms. Marvel issue where she teamed up with Beast and Scarlet Witch, other mutants, in order to deal with this mutant issue. I'm indifferent on that we agree that Monica Rambeau should not be called Captain Marvel. I'm not surprised we agree that if they were to do a Captain Marvel (Carol) trilogy it should go as you described.

I just would prefer that Marvel use one of it's heroines that stand on their own if they're going to do a solo female movie. They haven't plenty, there's no need to use Carol. And, according to Whedon, there's reasons not to. She's awesome and punches things.

 

[DrCosmic]

I don't think it's a case of Hulk not being able to work on his own, but rather the case of not wanting him to work in his own film. There was all that talk of Hulk stealing the show in the Avengers, but the truth is that his own fanbase is a small minority. If you were to gather a crowd of Marvel fans and ask them if they'd rather Iron Man 4 or Hulk 2, 9/10 they'd go with the former.

As it stands he's a supporting character in the Avengers series, but that's not a permanent position IMO. They're introducing new players with every film, already adding Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Vision in this next one, which means that screentime could start to be an issue. I think it's more likely that instead of Marvel granting Mark Ruffalo his own film, they're simply going to have him phased out of the grand narrative by the end of Avengers 3, at which stage Mark will be 50 and likely too old to do a solo film anyway.

They've explicitly said they want Hulk to have his own film and that it's really hard to do a good one and no one's figured it out, despite fans saying how easy it must be, the filmmakers don't agree. They've all commented on it at various times but Mark himself noted how 'the film wants him to do the thing that he doesn't want to do,' so how do you fulfill both the character and the audience? It's a weird film to make.

I think if Marvel is blind enough to give a 44 year old man a six picture deal, with no solid plan for a Hulk film, but then not use him after he turns 50, I think they've lost their touch.

 

[Loki882]

Sorry but your argument falls flat for one really obvious reason. This may be too complicated/difficult for some people to understand, but try to bear with me here, THIS IS NOT THE COMICS!! These are FILMS, just because things played out a certain way in the comics DOES NOT mean that they will play out the same way in the films. Marvel has already proven that they have NO problem changing things for the films if they feel that it's necessary. So even if we accept the premise that Carol cannot stand on her own in the comics (which I don't) and that Mar-veil is more popular (which I've seen little to no evidence of), so what? There's nothing to say that they couldn't change things up in the films. They've done it before and they'll do it again. Carol's status in the comics is completely and utterly irrelevant. Heck they might not use Mar-veil at all and have her get powers some other way.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Given the number of people calling for a Carol Danvers Captain Marvel film and the lack of people calling for a Mar-Vell Captain Marvel film, I think it is pretty safe to say that Danvers is more popular.

Of the films that haven't been announced, the two characters I see people asking for the most (by far) are Danvers and Black Panther, so I think Marvel should make it a priority to do both as soon as reasonably possible. It just seems like good business sense to me.

 

[Dasher10]

Sorry but your argument falls flat for one really obvious reason. This may be too complicated/difficult for some people to understand, but try to bear with me here, THIS IS NOT THE COMICS!! These are FILMS, just because things played out a certain way in the comics DOES NOT mean that they will play out the same way in the films. Marvel has already proven that they have NO problem changing things for the films if they feel that it's necessary. So even if we accept the premise that Carol cannot stand on her own in the comics (which I don't) and that Mar-veil is more popular (which I've seen little to no evidence of), so what? There's nothing to say that they couldn't change things up in the films. They've done it before and they'll do it again. Carol's status in the comics is completely and utterly irrelevant. Heck they might not use Mar-veil at all and have her get powers some other way.

Only one person has ever said that Mahr-Vell is more popular. I feel like he's a flat character. I simply said that Carol needed an established universe to play off of.

I also really love Cable but there is no way that a Cable film can be made without the X-Men coming first, particularly Cyclops. The same goes for She-Hulk who needs her cousin before she can even exist. Even War Machine can't have a solo film in a separate universe since Iron Man needs to precede him. Other heroes are also tied to other heroes who are still interesting enough to have their own series but can't be first out of the gate like Deadpool and Winter Soldier who need Wolverine and Captain America, respectively. Even Doctor Strange wouldn't get a stand along film if Thor was never made.

Look at how Marvel made The Avengers. They needed to establish that the heroes all had their own adventures beforehand but then band together to fight the REALLY big enemies. The Avengers as a franchise cannot stand on its own. Does that mean that we can't have Avengers films? No. Does that mean that making an Avengers film is automatically a bad idea? No. Does it mean that Avengers could never have been the first film that Marvel Studios made? Yes.

The point is that Guardians of the Galaxy and to a lesser extent, Agents of SHIELD had to be established in order for Carol to be portrayed on the big screen so audiences are somewhat familiar with the Kree. The same goes for War Machine who's tied to Carol's background. Otherwise you're establishing a whole complex mythology as well as an interesting, multifaceted protagonist in the same film while also having to find a way to work War Machine in without Tony Stark and show that there was a previous Captain Marvel before Carol who takes up the mantle after his death. All of that in one film without establishing the Marvel Universe is going to be way too much to take in and audiences would just get confused. It's why she's coming in Phase 3.

So to answer your question, should Carol Danvers get her own film? Absolutely. It just took two phases to set up and Carol herself is needed to create a world where the Inhumans can be established.

On the plus side, Marvel at least created a way to establish both the Inhumans and Captain Marvel. Fox had to do a soft reboot since killing Cyclops meant not using certain heroes and villains. Marvel at least had the foresight to make it possible to introduce new franchises and slowly introduce new concepts.

 

[Fincher]

I don't think Marvel are depending on only people who watched Guardians of the Galaxy / Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watching Captain Marvel. Or at least I don't think they should. The movie needs to be functional enough as its own introduction.

 

[Dasher10]

Also, if Marvel ever got all their rights back, they're dancing around the mutant issue and putting mutants in their films in all but name. A decade from now, Marvel could keep the MCU and still introduce the X-Men.

As for the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, they can both be introduced at a later date without any continuity issues.

And as a former naysayer of Guardians of the Galaxy until I read reviews, I can say right off the bat that I was dead wrong. Marvel's worst film is still Thor: The Dark World and that's still enjoyable so I'm inclined to say that they can do no wrong until Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon are both gone and even then, they'll have done around three or four phases and introduced Captain Marvel, Crystal, Black Panther, Blade and Ghost Rider to audiences with all but the latter also being Avengers as well.

I mean, when Thunderbolts may actually be part of Phase 4 since Janes Gunn wants to make it and Phase 5 introducing Darkhawk and Skrull Kill Crew (the latter of which must happen in my lifetime) then they've officially made films of EVERYTHING they have that can't be done on TV.

 

[Dasher10]

I don't think Marvel are depending on only people who watched Guardians of the Galaxy / Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watching Captain Marvel. Or at least I don't think they should. The movie needs to be functional enough as its own introduction.

It would still work, just some details would be glossed over to cut down on exposition. Everyone by that point would know what a Kree is.

 

[Eddie]

Also, if Marvel ever got all their rights back, they're dancing around the mutant issue and putting mutants in their films in all but name. A decade from now, Marvel could keep the MCU and still introduce the X-Men.

As for the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man, they can both be introduced at a later date without any continuity issues.

And as a former naysayer of Guardians of the Galaxy until I read reviews, I can say right off the bat that I was dead wrong. Marvel's worst film is still Thor: The Dark World and that's still enjoyable so I'm inclined to say that they can do no wrong until Kevin Feige and Joss Whedon are both gone and even then, they'll have done around three or four phases and introduced Captain Marvel, Crystal, Black Panther, Blade and Ghost Rider to audiences with all but the latter also being Avengers as well.

I mean, when Thunderbolts may actually be part of Phase 4 since Janes Gunn wants to make it and Phase 5 introducing Darkhawk and Skrull Kill Crew (the latter of which must happen in my lifetime) then they've officially made films of EVERYTHING they have that can't be done on TV.

Marvel has a great deal of characters that you must not be familiar with. Nova, Runaways, Hercules, and Alpha Flight all jumped to mind for me right away as characters that are both potential franchise film candidates and more likely than Darkhawk and Skrull Kill Crew.

Marvel Studios has access to thousands of characters. They won't have run through all of them by Phase 5. Hell, they might even let James Gunn make that Hit-Monkey film he was apparently pitching prior to getting the GotG job.

 

[cph9fa]

Marvel has already proven that they have NO problem changing things for the films if they feel that it's necessary. So even if we accept the premise that Carol cannot stand on her own in the comics (which I don't) and that Mar-veil is more popular (which I've seen little to no evidence of), so what? There's nothing to say that they couldn't change things up in the films. They've done it before and they'll do it again. Carol's status in the comics is completely and utterly irrelevant. Heck they might not use Mar-veil at all and have her get powers some other way.

Interestingly, I just came across this neat fan-made film concept on deviantart which suggests a "Warbird" film with Carol Danvers, and no Mar-Vell. I think it predates TWS, since it has Jessica Drew as a SHIELD agent. I've mentioned before, I'm a big fan of her using the Warbird name, although leaving Mar-Vell out completely seems a bit radical to me (but certainly doable).

 

[DrCosmic]

Sorry but your argument falls flat for one really obvious reason. This may be too complicated/difficult for some people to understand, but try to bear with me here, THIS IS NOT THE COMICS!! These are FILMS, just because things played out a certain way in the comics DOES NOT mean that they will play out the same way in the films. Marvel has already proven that they have NO problem changing things for the films if they feel that it's necessary. So even if we accept the premise that Carol cannot stand on her own in the comics (which I don't) and that Mar-veil is more popular (which I've seen little to no evidence of), so what? There's nothing to say that they couldn't change things up in the films. They've done it before and they'll do it again. Carol's status in the comics is completely and utterly irrelevant. Heck they might not use Mar-veil at all and have her get powers some other way.

My argument is not that Carol can't be made into a unique character, or that Mar-Vell is more popular, but simply, there are awesome female heroes who you don't have to make unique, you can just focus on bringing out what makes them unique. You don't have to INO them in order to make them interesting and bring some diversity beyond matching chromosomes. Now if that's not a priority for you, cool, hotwire Captain Marvel until she's relevant for more than her gender. It just seems that creative energy could be better spent and the audience better served by evaluating some of Marvel's other great superheroines.

Look at how Marvel made The Avengers. They needed to establish that the heroes all had their own adventures beforehand but then band together to fight the REALLY big enemies. The Avengers as a franchise cannot stand on its own. Does that mean that we can't have Avengers films? No. Does that mean that making an Avengers film is automatically a bad idea? No. Does it mean that Avengers could never have been the first film that Marvel Studios made? Yes.

The point is that Guardians of the Galaxy and to a lesser extent, Agents of SHIELD had to be established in order for Carol to be portrayed on the big screen so audiences are somewhat familiar with the Kree. The same goes for War Machine who's tied to Carol's background. Otherwise you're establishing a whole complex mythology as well as an interesting, multifaceted protagonist in the same film while also having to find a way to work War Machine in without Tony Stark and show that there was a previous Captain Marvel before Carol who takes up the mantle after his death. All of that in one film without establishing the Marvel Universe is going to be way too much to take in and audiences would just get confused. It's why she's coming in Phase 3.

So to answer your question, should Carol Danvers get her own film? Absolutely. It just took two phases to set up and Carol herself is needed to create a world where the Inhumans can be established.

On the plus side, Marvel at least created a way to establish both the Inhumans and Captain Marvel. Fox had to do a soft reboot since killing Cyclops meant not using certain heroes and villains. Marvel at least had the foresight to make it possible to introduce new franchises and slowly introduce new concepts.

It sounds like in your version of Carol, the more popular male heroes she's derived from are Starlord (Kree tech using spacefaring daredevil pilot) and Agent Coulson (heroic SHIELD Agent with Kree blood running through him). Why watch Carol when you can watch them instead?

Also, Dr. Strange's story does not need or reference Thor's. Magic and Gods Sufficiently Advanced Aliens don't share many similarities, and absolutely no story points.

And while Avengers relies on what came before it, it doesn't cannibalize what came before it to try and make you like new characters, it actually serves what came before it and pays it off, that's why it made a billion dollars. If Marvel had made Sentry instead of Avengers, relying on the established universe, and not worrying about how redundant and irrelevant he is, it wouldn't have been a good idea. Still isn't.

 

[KangConquers]

My argument is not that Carol can't be made into a unique character, or that Mar-Vell is more popular, but simply, there are awesome female heroes who you don't have to make unique, you can just focus on bringing out what makes them unique. You don't have to INO them in order to make them interesting and bring some diversity beyond matching chromosomes. Now if that's not a priority for you, cool, hotwire Captain Marvel until she's relevant for more than her gender. It just seems that creative energy could be better spent and the audience better served by evaluating some of Marvel's other great superheroines.



It sounds like in your version of Carol, the more popular male heroes she's derived from are Starlord (Kree tech using spacefaring daredevil pilot) and Agent Coulson (heroic SHIELD Agent with Kree blood running through him). Why watch Carol when you can watch them instead?

Also, Dr. Strange's story does not need or reference Thor's. Magic and Gods Sufficiently Advanced Aliens don't share many similarities, and absolutely no story points.

And while Avengers relies on what came before it, it doesn't cannibalize what came before it to try and make you like new characters, it actually serves what came before it and pays it off, that's why it made a billion dollars. If Marvel had made Sentry instead of Avengers, relying on the established universe, and not worrying about how redundant and irrelevant he is, it wouldn't have been a good idea. Still isn't.

I think you hit the nail on the head; The only thing keeping Carol from being completely redundant at this point is being female. She has generic superpowers, and two of her main story selling points are being used by established male characters in the MCU.

Chances are, if / when we do see Carol, we'll see her with a completely retooled plot. Maybe she'll take Monica Rambeau's origin, or Wendell Vaughn's origins. Maybe she'll be a female Mar-Vell, instead of an Earth Woman. All these options are likely to rustle jimmies, but are all more viable than her actual comic book origin at this point.

 

[fixxxer]

I don't buy any of that. Carol Danvers has more going for her than a pair of matching chromosomes. Like I said in the Captain Marvel/Ms. Marvel thread...

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Huh? The A:EMH episode about Danvers' origin was better than these concepts being thrown around. And it isn't even close. And that was basically a semi-streamlined version of the comics, like most episodes of that show were.

Keep Mar-vell. Keep the Kree link. Keep her origin story about the same. And keep the Captain Marvel title. I understand that some of you are not fans of the character, her power set, name, and everything else and would rather effectively "INO" Carol. But I'm assuming that, based on the popularity and profile of the character, you can see that there are a ton of people who are fans and would like to see a more faithful adaptation.

To me, Danvers is one of the more compelling characters in the Marvel universe, and think her backstory is deeper and more interesting than any of these "out-of-the-box" ideas. I'm not expecting a literal translation from the comics. What I am calling for is for Carol Danvers to be treated with enough respect so as not to render her story unrecognizable.

Treat her the way you would Iron Man. And Thor. And Captain America. And Hulk. And even the Guardians Of The Galaxy.

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, let's take this over to the Carol Danvers thread.

 

[Roose Bolton]

They've explicitly said they want Hulk to have his own film and that it's really hard to do a good one and no one's figured it out, despite fans saying how easy it must be, the filmmakers don't agree. They've all commented on it at various times but Mark himself noted how 'the film wants him to do the thing that he doesn't want to do,' so how do you fulfill both the character and the audience? It's a weird film to make.

I think if Marvel is blind enough to give a 44 year old man a six picture deal, with no solid plan for a Hulk film, but then not use him after he turns 50, I think they've lost their touch.

They never had it, when it came to Hulk.

 

[KangConquers]

Yeah, let's take this over to the Carol Danvers thread.

Carol Danvers obsession tends to eat this forum alive.

 

[DrCosmic]

Ouch.
Edit: and ouch again!

Yeah, they still don't have it with Hulk. I do agree with them it's hard to reconcile what fans really want from Hulk without kinda making Transformers. And honestly... that's what a lot of Hulk fans want. Big strong monster battles with plenty of property damage to show you the power going on. Hulk movies tend to focus on Banner and character in the pursuit of being good, and that works in an ensemble like Avengers, because he has people to play off of so there's no time to feel disappointed that Hulk is only on screen for 8 minutes. And Hulk's interactions have so much more weight because we care about the characters around him, the people he'll smash if he hulks out. For once we actually don't want Hulk to Hulk out. For once, we feel what the character feels. Not really doable with a Hulk solo movie because I for one want to see Hulk right now more than I want to see the Rosses ever again.

People theorize that if Hulk had character, as in the comics, that everyone would love it, but even with technology hurdles aside, I'm not entirely convinced people will enjoy 'Doc Green,' and certainly it removes a lot of the gravitas that Hulk brings to the Avengers if he's sitting down playing Gin Rummy with Hawkeye.

If I were doing a Hulk movie, I'd look to CGI characters like Gollum and Ceasar for inspiration. He'd have a very unique way of speaking, and the mass of his communication would be in his movement. From there, I'd actually make it that Transformers/Pacific Rim smash fest that many people want, and undergird it with Banner and Hulk's growing friendship and understanding. Let that be the heart of the movie under all the ridiculousness. Because he's that CGI character, his humans/hobbits/Sam Witwickys would need to be people we know and care about. Maybe bring Black Widow along, and give her the same sized part she had in CATWS. It might be intersting to see Vision and Scarlet Witch's relationship play out a bit here. Little stuff like that. I honestly wouldn't touch the Rosses again for a third time in a row, not that they're bad characters, just that they represent a very sad repetition. Unless of course you go Rulk, which I would love personally, but not so much everyone else.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Add GotG 2 to the confirmed list of films coming.

 

[Shoppy]

Add GotG 2 to the confirmed list of films coming.

So what slot do you think it will take?
...and also, how do people think the Netflix series are going to sit around the movies schedule-ise?

At the moment i think it's looking something like this

ANT-MAN: July 17, 2015
Daredevil series
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3/Agent Carter: Season 2/Deathlok/other?
Jessica Jones series
CAPTAIN AMERICA 3: May 6, 2016
DOCTOR STRANGE: July 8, 2016
Iron Fist series
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4/Agent Carter: Season 3/Deathlok/other?
Luke Cage series
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY 2: May 5, 2017
Untitled Film: July 28, 2017
Defenders miniseries
THOR 3: November 3, 2017
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5/Agent Carter: Season 4/Deathlok/other?
Untitled Film: May 4, 2018
Untitled Film: July 6, 2018
Untitled Film: November 2, 2018
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6/Agent Carter: Season 5/Deathlok/other?
Untitled Film: May 3, 2019

...but I also expect there will be other Netflix shows after Defenders in 2018 / 2019

I think the summer 2017 slot would have to be something earthbound if the other two films that year were Thor and GOTG sequels( ... Black Panther hopefully )
..... but then as for 2018, If we aren't gonna get Avengers 3 until the following year then what might those 3 films be...

Hulk, Captain Marvel and Inhumans? ...... It would be nice but I think fandom might explode from the squee factor of having those three in the same year

Thoughts?

 

[Dasher10]

Fixed


ANT-MAN: July 17, 2015
Daredevil series
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3/Agent Carter: Season 2/Deathlok/other?
Luke Cage series
CAPTAIN AMERICA 3: May 6, 2016
DOCTOR STRANGE: July 8, 2016
Iron Fist series
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4/Agent Carter: Season 3/Deathlok/other?
Jessica Jones series
Thor 3: May 5, 2017
Defenders miniseries
Captain Marvel: July 28, 2017
Black Panther: November 3, 2017
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5/Agent Carter: Season 4/Deathlok/other?
Guardians of the Galaxy 2: May 4, 2018
Hulk 2: July 6, 2018
Inhumans: November 2, 2018
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6/Agent Carter: Season 5/Deathlok/other?
Avengers: Infinity: May 3, 2019

And for 2018 TV shows the third ABC show will hopefully be Runaways. The next wave of Netflix shows will probably be Moon Knight, She-Hulk and Punisher which can still all hit during Phase 3 along with new seasons of Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, Daredevil and Heroes for Hire (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist) that would be rounded off with Defenders 2.


This leaves the only new IPs for Phase 4 being Cloak and Dagger and White Tiger TV shows along with Blade and Ghost Rider films. Possibly also something with Skrull Kill Crew.

My edits are better :P

 

[Duran Man]

I just read about the third 2018 film, so here's my revised schedule:

July 17, 2015: Ant-Man

May 6, 2016: Captain America 3
July 8, 2016: Doctor Strange

May 5, 2017: Thor 3
July 28, 2017: Ant-Man 2
November 3, 2017: Black Panther

May 4, 2018: Inhumans
July 6, 2018: Guardians of the Galaxy 2
November 2, 2018: Ms. Marvel

May 3, 2019: Avengers 3

 

[BatsDC]

Ant-Man 2 won't happen, and especially not in 2017

 

[First Avenger]

So now we have cap 3,Thor 3,Strange and Guardians 2 confirmed,awesome!

 

[Shoppy]

My edits are better :P

ANT-MAN: July 17, 2015
Daredevil series
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 3/Agent Carter: Season 2/Deathlok/other?
Luke Cage series
CAPTAIN AMERICA 3: May 6, 2016
DOCTOR STRANGE: July 8, 2016
Iron Fist series
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 4/Agent Carter: Season 3/Deathlok/other?
Jessica Jones series
THOR 3: May 5, 2017
Defenders miniseries

I thought Daredevil/Jessica Jones/Iron Fist/Luke Cage/Defenders was going to be the order of the Netflix series. I'm sure it was stated they'd run in that order from 2015-17?
I didn't want to be too hopeful with the Defenders miniseries but I'd like to think you're right there and that we'll see the start of the second wave of Netflix series in late 2017 (I'll come back to that )

As for the third Thor movie .... I'd like to see it in this slot too but someone suggested it might take one of the November slots?

CAPTAIN MARVEL: July 28, 2017
BLACK PANTHER: November 3, 2017
Netflix series, second wave, slot 1
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 5/Agent Carter: Season 4/Deathlok/other?
Netflix series, second wave, slot 2
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY 2: May 4, 2018
HULK 2: July 6, 2018
Netflix series, second wave, slot 3
INHUMANSs: November 2, 2018
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Season 6/Agent Carter: Season 5/Deathlok/other?
Netflix series, second wave, slot 4
AVENGERS 3: May 3, 2019
Netflix second wave miniseries event

I could go with that combination of movies

And for 2018 TV shows the third ABC show will hopefully be Runaways. The next wave of Netflix shows will probably be Moon Knight, She-Hulk and Punisher which can still all hit during Phase 3 along with new seasons of Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, Daredevil and Heroes for Hire (Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist) that would be rounded off with Defenders 2.

I'm not too fussed about seeing Runaways myself but I get that there's a demand for them. ... I'd rather see a Deathlok series myself though.

For the second wave of Netflix shows I'm thinking Daredevil series 2 and/or Elektra, "Heroes For Hire" bringing the other three series together post-Defenders, then maybe a Moon Knight series and Defenders:Shadowland miniseries?

This leaves the only new IPs for Phase 4 being Cloak and Dagger and White Tiger TV shows along with Blade and Ghost Rider films. Possibly also something with Skrull Kill Crew.

White Tiger is definitely suited to the Netflix corner of the MCU.

Where the Punisher would be most comfortable I'm not sure ... maybe as a recurring character in the various Netflix series?

I don't think Blade and Ghost Rider will get movies again any time soon, there's too many other characters on the table that have interwoven storylines with those we've already seen in phases 1&2... they could work well for a third wave of Netflix shows though, leading into a Legion Of Monsters or Midnight Sons team-up?