The Dark Knight Rises Piecing the 4-hour cut together - SPOILERS!

[Pauluz]

This thread is totally speculative but we heard months ago that there was a cut that was nearly 4 hours long. After viewing the film, many SHH members now think there have been heavy, heavy edits due to the pacing of the film and several plotholes. List the things here that you think were missing from the film.

1. Bale mentioned in an interview that his last scene as Batman was with Oldman on a roof. But the scene we saw was underneath a bridge (I think?) with the Bat.

2. No Bat-Tumbler? During the cops-vs-mercenaries filming, we saw a photograph of a Black Tumbler on a flatbed under a blue sheet driving on the highway. Has the Bat-Tumbler been used but cut from the film?

Feel free to add more.

 

[dinste1]

No footage in the movie of Bane with that long thin blade that we seen.

 

[Pauluz]

What blade?

 

[Da Games Elite]

...I don't think the 4-hour cut exists. I don't think there's anything substantially proving it ever was made. Maybe some quick cuts here and there, like five minutes of stuff...but I don't think it was that big of a deal.

...do we even need an extended cut? It was long enough as it was. >_<

 

[PapaKin]

A scene was filmed in which Foley was run over by one of the mercenary Tumblers.

 

[Pauluz]

Interesting points brought up by SHH poster redjokerjd:

Plot Holes / Dropped Story Arcs

1. Who was the guy in the body bag at the beginning of the movie that Bane gives the blood transfusion? This seemed really important but we never see him again.

2. Why were Bane's men SOOOO loyal to him? The guy at the beginning pretty much dies because Bane said so. It's never explained what the Fire Rises is.

3. How did Bane find out about Batman's true identity and his 'toys'? Was there a leak?

 

[Brain Damage]

I don't believe a four hour cut exists, however I do believe that if time was not a factor at all this film would have probably been closer to three and a quarter hours.

I say this because as many have pointed out, some scenes feel like they happen way, waaaaay too quick and there really doesn't seem to be much reason for it other than trimming for time. [BLACKOUT]The biggest example for me was the scene where Bruce goes to the hospital. Even ignoring the fact that the actual doctor scene moved way too quickly, Bruce's visit to Gordon's room was critically short.

This was supposed to be the first time Gordon had seen his friend in eight years, since the night Dent died. It could have been an incredibly revealing and powerful moment between them, and while the scene still holds impact, it fails to live up to the potential of its set up, simply because it's not given time to develop.
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This was a problem common through quite a few scenes (particularly in the first act), unfortunately. And as someone who is usually a fan of the way Nolan edits and paces his film, this aspect of the film left me disappointed.

It is a real shame, too, because as much as I do love TDKR (and I do love it), I have a feeling nearly all of my issues with it would have been fixed had it been a longer, more steady paced film.

Having said that, I don't believe a four hour cut exists simply because Nolan is not stupid and knows that WB would never release a four hour Batman film, and thus would not waste their time or his making one (his work ethic in the past has shown that he is very result orientated). Still, I hope he decides to go back to the editing room at some point and give us a more leniant three hour + cut. Because I believe then this film would go from being "really great" to "phenomenal".

 

[stefan850]

Interesting points brought up by SHH poster redjokerjd:

1. Just some random guy to whom Dr Pavels blood transfusion was given so that the authorities would think Pavel died in the crash...

2. Yes, that's not shown but that is not a plot hole...it's easy to have a vague idea...


3. League of Shadows always knew who Batman was, they trained him...Bane is ex League of Shadows, Talia is the daughter of the man who trained Bruce, recruited Bruce, looked at Bruce as his heir and got killed by Bruce...Again it's not specifically spelled out (I think?) but it's not not a plot hole...

All in all none of those "points" are interesting.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

1. Just some random guy to whom Dr Pavels blood transfusion was given so that the authorities would think Pavel died in the crash...

Kind of pointless if you think about it since Bane revealed he was alive and then killed him anyway.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Interesting points brought up by SHH poster redjokerjd:

The guy's name was Paul, he used to sell felafels

 

[stefan850]

Kind of pointless if you think about it since Bane revealed he was alive and then killed him anyway.

If you think about it, no it's not pointless.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

If you think about it, no it's not pointless.

It is pointless because they never would have tracked him down anyway.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Kind of pointless if you think about it since Bane revealed he was alive and then killed him anyway.

He did that too show that there was only one man to dis-arm it, now he's dead in the endzone so don't try sending the army to retrieve the bomb in hopes of cutting some wires and saving Gotham.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

He did that too show that there was only one man to dis-arm it, now he's dead in the endzone so don't try sending the army to retrieve the bomb in hopes of cutting some wires and saving Gotham.

I'm talking about faking his death in the airplane crash. All that was pointless.

 

[Victorious]

It's possible a much longer, maybe hour more + cut footage exists. Maybe Nolan will release it to DVD or something.

 

[kangaroo_fire]

Having said that, I don't believe a four hour cut exists simply because Nolan is not stupid and knows that WB would never release a four hour Batman film, and thus would not waste their time or his making one (his work ethic in the past has shown that he is very result orientated). Still, I hope he decides to go back to the editing room at some point and give us a more leniant three hour + cut. Because I believe then this film would go from being "really great" to "phenomenal".

Yes! to this. t:

And to the topic, I wonder if the novelization will go deeper into a lot of what was left out of the movie. I hope so, especially if we don't get an extended cut.

 

[Jordacar]

When Bruce started macking with Miranda, I knew we'd skipped over some things.

 

[JerseyJoker]

The three hour version was long enough, no need for a 4 hour cut.

 

[killface]

as contradictory as it sounds, i think that the film felt too long for some people because the runtime was too short for the story. the film moved too fast that's why audiences were tired after watching the film. If nolan gave a bit more time to contemplate on the events that transpired and the themes touched upon

Spoiler

(catwoman suddenly showing up and blasting bane, bane's corpse not getting a second or two, gordon' finding out that bruce is batman)

i honestly believe that TDKR would be more highly rated by a lot more people.

with that said, i dont think that TDKR needs to be a 4 hour film, 20 to 25 more minutes added to a runtime would substantially have made a whole lot of difference.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I'm talking about faking his death in the airplane crash. All that was pointless.

The people waiting for the plane knew Pavel was on board. They'd know something was up if he weren't there.

 

[The Guard]

I don't think a four hour cut is realistic. The film needed another 15 minutes, though.

 

[Beanjuice]

I'm talking about faking his death in the airplane crash. All that was pointless.

The people waiting for the plane knew Pavel was on board. They'd know something was up if he weren't there.

^ This. Like the agent said the flight plan listed himself the soldiers Dr. Pavel and one of Bane's thugs. They transfused his blood, and one of the mercs stayed behind to give the appearance that it was simply an accidental crash. if one of them was unaccounted for, it would have been investigated and Bane's plan would be foiled. Revealing him later and killing him on the field shows that the government had been tricked long enough for pavel to activate the bomb and by killing him no one could stop it.


Now food for thought: People keep coming up with plot holes for this movie and most of them are being crushed, but I will give someone a lot of money if you can simply tell me the plot of the last movie. You can't. As good as it was. There was no plot at all.

 

[Lucifer Maranda]

The Jokers insane?

he wanted to create chaos and destruction *shrug*

 

[Uroboric Forms]

^ This. Like the agent said the flight plan listed himself the soldiers Dr. Pavel and one of Bane's thugs. They transfused his blood, and one of the mercs stayed behind to give the appearance that it was simply an accidental crash. if one of them was unaccounted for, it would have been investigated and Bane's plan would be foiled. Revealing him later and killing him on the field shows that the government had been tricked long enough for pavel to activate the bomb and by killing him no one could stop it.


Now food for thought: People keep coming up with plot holes for this movie and most of them are being crushed, but I will give someone a lot of money if you can simply tell me the plot of the last movie. You can't. As good as it was. There was no plot at all.

Bane tells one of his men to stay in the plane, but both of mercs he was with who were dangled out of the side of the plane and interrogated were brought back in instead of being thrown out. Do you ever actually see what happens to the spare one?

 

[Pauluz]

I totally forgot about these:

So many deleted/unused scenes.