Pirates of the Caribbean 5

[Lord]

54 is still considered rotten.

And to some people, the Transformers movies are kinda "fun".

You always go with the Rotten Tomatoes ratings? Last i checked, Guardians of the Galaxy had a much higher score than Drive, but it was far from being better IMAO.

If you go by rotten ratings, Pirates still had one film with a fresh one, and even its rotten films didn't reach bellow 30%, half the TF films have gone bellow 20%

 

[Erzengel]

No sometimes I compare gross, and general geek consensus.

Apples and oranges comparing Drive which I think is a really good movie but an action drama with a comic book sci fi fantasy summer movie.

I mean if you want to say. "Well Pirates only has one movie that is 33. The other ones are 45 and 54." It's still means that at best critically the Pirates movies are at best average.

 

[Lord]

I don't often go with geek consensus, they often lean too much on more geeky properties, expecialy comic book movies, i guess there were better comparisons, but i do think Guardians was a good film that was a bit too overhyped by the geek crowd.

The Pirates films haven't been completely well received, but to be honest, they still have a first film that is nowadays considered even better than it originaly was by most people, and 2 follow ups that are quite divisive, along with a 4th that was bit of a stincker, that makes 1 film that is among the most popular "fun" films of the decade, along with 2 average ones and a 4th film that was bad received. It's still not too late for 180º when it comes to the quality of it, look at The Fast and the Furious for example, that one had 4 consecutive bad films, it was a complete mess of a film series, yet, they were able to look at what they had and make a complete overhaul, delivering a 5th and 6th film that were very well received.

Pirates has the advantage of being the only film series right now dealing with that genre, so, it can do things other film series can't, even after all these years, the brand is still "hot", Captain Sparrow is still relatively popular, and Disney has Billions to waste, considering all the VIP treatment they're giving to Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm, it's a bit of a waste if they don't try a bit harder when it comes to the properties originated in-house.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The franchise still has potencial, but they realy need to improve upon the writing, i would say that On Stranger Tides being as it was wasn't just due to Sparrow being the lead, they also decided to replace some of the old cast with some realy forgetable secondary characters and turned Blackbeard into a very bland villain, who pales in comparison to the previous ones (Barbossa, Davy Jones and Cuttler Beckett). The film also lacked the originality of the trilogy, i mean, Dead Man's Chest and At World's End could get a bit too convuluted, but they also had a lot of very creative ideas, On Stranger Tides lacked all that, and still delivered a convuluted story.

This is a case where i think the old writers are holding the franchise back, and if it was given the same care Marvel is giving their films or the Lucasfilm section is giving to Star Wars, then i'm sure Disney could deliver something astonishing.

Couldnt agree more with this. OST just seemed so bland even compared to the 2nd and 3rd movies, which are still a ton of fun.

 

[dark_b]

i beg everyone here dont pay for this. Depp needs at least 3 major bombs before he will go back to small movies and start TO ACT. lets help him save his career t:

 

[Apollo]

I always thought a Pirates/time traveling plot would be interesting.

Sparrow unlocks a magical skull that allows those who touch it to travel 1000 years or so into the future. Which coincidentally sends him to the year 2015.

I can see it now in the trailer. Jack sparrow and Black Beards ship arrive in San Fransisco harbor. And there is an epic and original pirate battle scene right on the Golden Gate Bridge. And the SF police are all like WTF...


It'll make a billion dollars. t:

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i beg everyone here dont pay for this. Depp needs at least 3 major bombs before he will go back to small movies and start TO ACT. lets help him save his career t:

I can't think of one reason why I'd spend my money and time going to see Pirates 5.

 

[Lord]

i beg everyone here dont pay for this. Depp needs at least 3 major bombs before he will go back to small movies and start TO ACT. lets help him save his career t:

Isn't there any way to save the PotC franchise? I don't want it to be burned just because an actor like Depp is being lazy with his acting.

I can't think of one reason why I'd spend my money and time going to see Pirates 5.

Then i wonder what you're doing in a thread like this, though wouldn't you spend your money if the film was mind blowingly good? I know that's pretty much impossible, but if that happened would you still refuse to see a film due to its brand?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kaya is fantastic, but this has little chance of being good imo.

I can't think of one reason why I'd spend my money and time going to see Pirates 5.

If my local theater has a marathon for the series, I'll see the first three and then head to my local IHOP.

 

[dark_b]

Isn't there any way to save the PotC franchise? I don't want it to be burned just because an actor like Depp is being lazy with his acting.

the POTC franchise is compromised because of Depp IMO. to save POTC we need to get rid of Depp. so the next movie needs to bomb with Depp in it.

 

[Lord]

the POTC franchise is compromised because of Depp IMO. to save POTC we need to get rid of Depp. so the next movie needs to bomb with Depp in it.

But if it bombs, then Disney won't give it a second chance again, they'll just lock this franchise up like they did with Rocketeer, John Carter and Lone Ranger

To be honest i do think a more serious PotC without Sparrow could cool, like trying to do to the Pirate genre what Sergio Leone did with the Western genre, but i don't see that happening anytime soon, even without Jack they'll still go with a more adventurous tone, which still isn't an excuse for mediocre films.

But about saving Johny Depp, i don't think that's possible, he's like what? In his 50s? Pirates of the Caribbean was his salvation and 2nd chance already, pretty much how Iron Man was able to make RDJ a star again too. Now he has millions and a safe future, he could become box office poison again, it doesn't realy matter, he doesn't seem to have the pacience or passion to fight back if he fails a 2nd time.

 

[Victarion]

The Brethren Court, organized religion vs the heathen religions, and Jack's reason to fear death are all plot hooks that could've kept the series going.

 

[Doc Ock]

54 is still considered rotten.

Meh, Rotten Tomatoes. I like what I like, I don't care if it has a 1%!

I would gladly eat up twenty more POTC films.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The Brethren Court, organized religion vs the heathen religions, and Jack's reason to fear death are all plot hooks that could've kept the series going.

Now that is interesting.

 

[Victarion]

Now that is interesting.

Yes, I'd definitely do something with that sword of Barbossa's, the actual god its tied to, and the Spanish.

 

[Uskok]

the POTC franchise is compromised because of Depp IMO. to save POTC we need to get rid of Depp. so the next movie needs to bomb with Depp in it.

Pirates of the Caribbean are not what they are without Johnny Depp.

I always thought a Pirates/time traveling plot would be interesting.

Sparrow unlocks a magical skull that allows those who touch it to travel 1000 years or so into the future. Which coincidentally sends him to the year 2015.

I can see it now in the trailer. Jack sparrow and Black Beards ship arrive in San Fransisco harbor. And there is an epic and original pirate battle scene right on the Golden Gate Bridge. And the SF police are all like WTF...


It'll make a billion dollars. t:

Please tell me you're kidding.

Meh, Rotten Tomatoes. I like what I like, I don't care if it has a 1%!

I would gladly eat up twenty more POTC films.

Yes, I'd definitely do something with that sword of Barbossa's, the actual god its tied to, and the Spanish.

Rumors say the sword was made in Atlantis by the sea deity Triton.

 

[Lord]

The Brethren Court, organized religion vs the heathen religions, and Jack's reason to fear death are all plot hooks that could've kept the series going.

Before On Stranger Tides came out, i was expecting a sort of epilogue for the trilogy which would deal with Jack's arc of searching for immortality, and if he would realy like that. I was very disapointed when the film started and Jack had almost zero interest in searching for the fountain, i don't think that arc of his was finished in the first 3 films, he knew what Davy Jones had become, but he was still willing to take his place, he only didn't do so because he had to save Will's life.

It's interesting how they have given plenty of plot hooks that could carry the whole franchise for a while, but it's unfortunate that they don't know how to use those elements properly.

 

[Victarion]

See, I think they kind of skimmed that with the multiple Jacks in the locker, but that's the extent of it. Plus I'd need to see the movie again to be sure I'm remembering this correctly.

Blackbeard's zombies were another missed opportunity. Its clear that they are more based on the traditional zombi, as in someone in a drugged trance, than the expected rotting, decaying creatures we tend to think of as zombies. So why did these people go over to Blackbeard? What was the political climate in their homeland that drove them to embrace Blackbeard's black magic? How did pirates and privateers factor into that political climate?

 

[Uskok]

Before On Stranger Tides came out, i was expecting a sort of epilogue for the trilogy which would deal with Jack's arc of searching for immortality, and if he would realy like that. I was very disapointed when the film started and Jack had almost zero interest in searching for the fountain, i don't think that arc of his was finished in the first 3 films, he knew what Davy Jones had become, but he was still willing to take his place, he only didn't do so because he had to save Will's life.

It's interesting how they have given plenty of plot hooks that could carry the whole franchise for a while, but it's unfortunate that they don't know how to use those elements properly.

Zero interest? What about "I'm just as bent as ever! Hellishly so! I shall taste those waters, Master Gibbs. Mark my words."

See, I think they kind of skimmed that with the multiple Jacks in the locker, but that's the extent of it. Plus I'd need to see the movie again to be sure I'm remembering this correctly.

Blackbeard's zombies were another missed opportunity. Its clear that they are more based on the traditional zombi, as in someone in a drugged trance, than the expected rotting, decaying creatures we tend to think of as zombies. So why did these people go over to Blackbeard? What was the political climate in their homeland that drove them to embrace Blackbeard's black magic? How did pirates and privateers factor into that political climate?

Blackbeard, zombies, and the Fountain of Youth are the elements adapted from the On Stranger Tides novel. The zombies are typical undead voodoo zombies. They don't look decaying only because they were all raised from the dead immediately after they died. In fact, one deleted scene even shows the cook, who was burned alive with the Greek fire, transformed into a zombie and entering Blackbeard's cabin during Jack's conversation with Blackbeard.

 

[Lord]

Jack's actions certainly showed the oposite, i mean, by the start of the film he had already stoped looking for the fountain, he was pretty much draged to do so due to Blackbeard, it wasn't like At World's End, where getting immortality was constantly on the back of his mind and a prime motivator for him.

 

[Uskok]

The tie-in materials show that he spent several years searching for the Fountain between the events of At World's End and On Stranger Tides.

 

[Lord]

What tie in materials? I remember 2 and 3 having an interactive game on their site, but the 4th barely had any major campaign, even the toy line was discarded in between 3 and 4.

 

[chamber-music]

Kaya Scodelario confirmed as the female lead in Pirates of the Caribbean 5.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Synopsis revealed and filming begins today.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/ne...rates-of-the-caribbean-dead-men-tell-no-tales


Thrust into an all-new adventure, a down-on-his-luck Captain Jack Sparrow finds the winds of ill-fortune blowing even more strongly when deadly ghost pirates led by his old nemesis, the terrifying Captain Salazar (Bardem), escape from the Devil’s Triangle, determined to kill every pirate at sea…including him. Captain Jack’s only hope of survival lies in seeking out the legendary Trident of Poseidon, a powerful artifact that bestows upon its possessor total control over the seas

 

[mclay18]

I guess the VFX work is so intensive that the film won't be ready until July 2017. Or the fact that Disney doesn't want to go over budget like they did with AWE and OST.