Homecoming Please NO MORE ultimate version of villains!

[JOE]

I'd be very open to Venom in the MCU. Do you really think Marvel is going to let Sony pull a SM3 in their universe? Anything Sony does they have to run it through them, it'll be fine.

 

[Daedalus]

Yeah. I really liked the part at the end in the Rhino battle where a mother acted nothing like a mother, and security officers acted nothing like a security officer. Excellent directing.

I also loved the German doctor straight out of Batman Forever.

I also loved how the tone would change from serious drama to high comic book camp within scenes. Great, amazing directing.

I prefer to focus on the great performances his main cast delivered than on the bizarre cheering crowd. Although I admit cheering crowds were a puzzling idea.

I was too busy thinking "Why is Dr. Kafka a guy and not a woman?" to really be bothered by him. Though he was no more cartoony than HYDRA in TFA, and I like HYDRA.

I think the tone reflects Spider-Man`s comics perfectly. There are often serious dramatic moments and lighthearted comedic "cheesy" situations within the same issue or story-arc. Gwen`s death in the comics followed an extremely lighthearted issue, if I`m not mistaken. Then again, I think the tone is quite fitting for a Spider-Man movie.

Do you mean that in the context of TASM2 or as a Spidey villain in general?

I meant it both ways. He couldn`t be a serious villain in the context of the TASM movies, but I also believe he isn`t interesting enough to be the center of any Spidey movie, TASM or not. I think he was treated fine. I would have preferred if the armor didn`t shoot things, but I liked him enough.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'd be very open to Venom in the MCU. Do you really think Marvel is going to let Sony pull a SM3 in their universe? Anything Sony does they have to run it through them, it'll be fine.

Actually, while I think it's clear that Sony wouldn't have done this deal unless they wanted Marvel to take the lead, it's absolutely false that Sony has to run what they do through Marvel. In fact, the opposite seems true. Things about Spider-Man must be run through Sony.

 

[Slushy]

Before they choose to work with MCU, the one thing I hope for the next spider-man installment is to get rid of Marc Webb. That guy has the WORST vision of characters design and most of his ideas were inspired by the design from ultimate Spider-Man comics series it seems.

Ironically, The Lizard was based on his original design. Something I wasn't fond of at all.

 

[W/ Great Power]

I meant it both ways. He couldn`t be a serious villain in the context of the TASM movies, but I also believe he isn`t interesting enough to be the center of any Spidey movie, TASM or not. I think he was treated fine. I would have preferred if the armor didn`t shoot things, but I liked him enough.

I understand when fans say that he can't be at the center of a Spidey film, and he certainly isn't a major foe of Spidey, but I was frustrated with what they reduced him to in TASM2. Yes, he may not deserve an entire film focused on him (even though I have very much enjoyed his issues in the comics), but he certainly deserves better treatment than Giamatti's version of him in TASM2.

 

[Shikamaru]

There will probably be a degree of Ultimate, but no more than the amount used in the other Marvel films. Which was very tiny compared with the stuff used from 616.

 

[Daedalus]

I understand when fans say that he can't be at the center of a Spidey film, and he certainly isn't a major foe of Spidey, but I was frustrated with what they reduced him to in TASM2. Yes, he may not deserve an entire film focused on him (even though I have very much enjoyed his issues in the comics), but he certainly deserves better treatment than Giamatti's version of him in TASM2.

I really enjoy him in the comics as well. My point is that some of Spidey`s foes are usually minor villains anyway. Some antagonists such as Rhino, Sandman and Electro aren`t all that interesting when compared to the rest of the rogues gallery, so I`m fine with them taking a backseat or being treated as comic relief. In comics, Rhino has mostly been Sinister Six`s muscle, a glorified henchman. Even in the TSSM cartoon Rhino is relegated to a comical role after Peter outsmarts him for the first time.

Rhino in TASM2 was meant to symbolize the "bad-guy of the week". He was a threat for Spider-Man to face indefinitely, and always come out victorious. That`s a fine way to approach these "sillier" villains, in my opinion.

Again, that`s not to say he can`t be done seriously. He can, I just don`t mind not seeing it.

 

[W/ Great Power]

I really enjoy him in the comics as well. My point is that some of Spidey`s foes are usually minor villains anyway. Some antagonists such as Rhino, Sandman and Electro aren`t all that interesting when compared to the rest of the rogues gallery, so I`m fine with them taking a backseat or being treated as comic relief. In comics, Rhino has mostly been Sinister Six`s muscle, a glorified henchman. Even in the TSSM cartoon Rhino is relegated to a comical role after Peter outsmarts him for the first time.

Rhino in TASM2 was meant to symbolize the "bad-guy of the week". He was a threat for Spider-Man to face indefinitely, and always come out victorious. That`s a fine way to approach these "sillier" villains, in my opinion.

Again, that`s not to say he can`t be done seriously. He can, I just don`t mind not seeing it.

I understand how Rhino has been used in different mediums, but I don't think it was wise to dumb him down to a "bad-guy of the week" role if they planned on using him for the S6. There was nothing threatening or sinister about him. If it were up to me, I would have made him infuriated and genuinely look like he was hungry for killing Spidey. There was nothing about Giamatti's version that made him stand alone and be recognized for embodying traits that facilitated the character in the film. Instead, it looked like just about anybody could have been in that mech suit and acted like a fool to get the job done. The whole technological facet of him as a villain was an easy copout because the producers didn't have to worry about giving him a character.

I hope that whenever we do see the S6, we get a badass version of the group. Just watch what Suicide Squad does and then try to recall which direction TASM was planning on going in.

 

[Daedalus]

I understand how Rhino has been used in different mediums, but I don't think it was wise to dumb him down to a "bad-guy of the week" role if they planned on using him for the S6. There was nothing threatening or sinister about him. If it were up to me, I would have made him infuriated and genuinely look like he was hungry for killing Spidey. There was nothing about Giamatti's version that made him stand alone and be recognized for embodying traits that facilitated the character in the film. Instead, it looked like just about anybody could have been in that mech suit and acted like a fool to get the job done. The whole technological facet of him as a villain was an easy copout because the producers didn't have to worry about giving him a character.

I hope that whenever we do see the S6, we get a badass version of the group. Just watch what Suicide Squad does and then try to recall which direction TASM was planning on going in.

I really agree with the bolded part. Why would The Gentleman trust that very expensive mech-suit to this moronic thug? Is he the mobster who financed it? Did he buy it? Did he wearing it shake off any suspicions of The Gentleman`s involvement? A single line could have done the trick, instead of "He just really hates Spider-Man, we should give him a suit".

Apart from that, I don`t really have a problem with him or the other "lesser" members of Sinister Six being incompetent. They are banding together because they can`t take Spider-Man down individually, and besides, it`s usually Doctor Octopus`s show.

In a movie series, there won`t be time to explore every villain properly, especially with a gallery of rogues as extensive as Spider-Man`s. I`d rather have the lesser ones being relegated to "bad-guy-of-the-week" than have an important one being left behind. Rhino is usually already portrayed as a not-so-bright individual. It`s better to demote him to incompetence than, let`s say, Shocker.

 

[Human Torch]

I need two things:

An American Cheeseburger

And a 616 version Rhino vs The Hulk fight.

 

[melvintwj]

I need two things:

An American Cheeseburger

And a 616 version Rhino vs The Hulk fight.

Cheeseburger first!

 

[Loki882]

Considering that USM has bee consistently better than the 616 version for, like over a decade now imo, perhaps Marvel needs to pull MORE from that universe. But given their previous track-record, I suspect that we'll get a combination of both 616 and UU.

Oh and threads like this are where the "whiny kneejerk fanboy" clichés come from.

 

[Spiderine]

I thought Electro's appearance worked fine. It makes sense that a guy with unlimited electrical powers flowing through his body would have such a deformed physical appearance as opposed to normal looking dude shooting lightning out of his fingers.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah. I really liked the part at the end in the Rhino battle where a mother acted nothing like a mother, and security officers acted nothing like a security officer. Excellent directing.

I also loved the German doctor straight out of Batman Forever.

I also loved how the tone would change from serious drama to high comic book camp within scenes. Great, amazing directing.

Oh so you mean, just like EVERY SINGLE Spider-Man movie thus far. Because the Raimi films were littered with that stuff, more so than the Webb films.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I thought Electro's appearance worked fine. It makes sense that a guy with unlimited electrical powers flowing through his body would have such a deformed physical appearance as opposed to normal looking dude shooting lightning out of his fingers.

before the design makes sense, it should look interesting and cool. Of course it cannot NOT make sense but that doesn't mean they can't use their imagination for a visually sweeter containment suit design or something

 

[Lord]

Oh so you mean, just like EVERY SINGLE Spider-Man movie thus far. Because the Raimi films were littered with that stuff, more so than the Webb films.

Actualy, with Raimi it worked, that has always been his filmmaking style, he has a cheesy dynamic style to his movies, it usualy fits very well.

 

[JOE]

I don't think the problems lied with the physical appearances as the villains as much as the writing had to do with it.

Ironically... Doc Ock, Sandman, Electro and the Rhino are the only villains who I was satisfied with visually. 4/9 ain't bad. Just kidding, that's terrible.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Electro has one of the most antiquated looks in comics. It's exactly the look that movies avoid.

Now maybe they shouldn't avoid the look, but, let's face it, it's unreasonable to expect them to follow it when that's so far against the norm. Everything else was within the range of plausible movie appearances with their 616 form. With some (imo, Green Goblin), the 616 form would probably have looked less cheesy overall.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Oh so you mean, just like EVERY SINGLE Spider-Man movie thus far. Because the Raimi films were littered with that stuff, more so than the Webb films.

I was responding to claims of Webb's directing. Nowhere did I bring up Raimi or the other Spider-man movies as a comparison point anywhere. So it's puzzling why you would bring up Raimi out of nowhere. Insecure much?

 

[Lord]

If they ever do Electro again, the look from Spectacular Spider-Man would most likely be the way to go, it's closer to the original 616 look without being ridiculous looking.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I thought that looked quite good, but I also thought it benefited from being a cartoon where it's easier to suspend disbelief. More specifically, I thought it was really clever how they took the sparks flying from his head and made it resemble his headgear from the 616 universe. On the other hand, I don't think electricity works like that and it would be harder to suspend my disbelief in live-action where things are supposed to look more like real life.

 

[blake c]

Ehh, I found the design of the Webb movies quite nice, it was just some of the writing that pulled them down. The Lizard and Electro looked great imo and I give Rhino a 7 and Goblin a 6. Originally I didn't care for the Goblin design, but it really grew on me in theaters.

 

[Human Torch]

Cheeseburger first!

I was waiting for somebody to say that.

 

[Human Torch]

Considering that USM has bee consistently better than the 616 version for, like over a decade now imo, perhaps Marvel needs to pull MORE from that universe. But given their previous track-record, I suspect that we'll get a combination of both 616 and UU.

Oh and threads like this are where the "whiny kneejerk fanboy" clichés come from.

Basically, they need to tap into the 616 early period. Frankly, I don't care for much of anything post '90. 616 or otherwise.

And for Pete's sake,get off your high horse,will ya?

 

[Shockdingo]

I'd be very open to Venom in the MCU. Do you really think Marvel is going to let Sony pull a SM3 in their universe? Anything Sony does they have to run it through them, it'll be fine.

I'd be happy seeing Brock again. I wouldn't mind some elements from here and there being used:

-I want the 90s space shuttle explanation for the symbiote's arrival, no Richard Parker suit.

-I'd like Brock and Pete to at least know each other, but not be the same age. Use some of the elements of their friendship breaking apart from Spectacular. I think it could be interesting to see him be the driven and cocksure (not *****ey) journalist who starts getting unhinged with all of Pete's sudden disappearances in the thick of things, but strangely comes through, while Brock gets more and more flack from Jameson.

-I always liked the dynamic of Pete being younger and experienced while Brock was older, and learning the ropes (frighteningly fast) but ultimately Pete always came out on top.

-I think it would be interesting to note Brock was at the Globe, but due to his rising success, the Bugle and others really wanted him to join up, so he took Jameson's offer. His rise and fall could be harsher that way "the guy who people got in a bidding war for can't even write for weekly world news"


For Rhino, I'd like a mix of armor and super powers. In some of his old appearances, Rhino had an armored costume, I think that look would work nicely. I'd like him to be a bit over the top, but not quite as wacky. He could be a seriously threatening villain, but is still found to be a bit likable by the audience.

I actually like Electro's costume, but I think a take on the Spectacular costume would be great, maybe when he's furious the sparks on his head can arc in a call back to his old mask. Keep the colours, but muted. No all black armored suit.

If they ever do Shocker, don't make him look like Ultimate. Quilted fury all the way, baby!

For Goblin (if they ever figure 3rd time's the charm), I'd like the armored Humberto Ramos look he rocked for a while; still Goblinish, but with some tech flair.

Overall, I don't want them to do Amazing's overabundance of Oscorp-born genetic monsters. The game had way too many of the past rogues being animal people or evolved animals.

Get variety in their origins, have Hammer industries or Roxxon play a part in things. Don't centralize things to one source.