Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[roach]

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. Logan's mom was scared of him but that's all I can remember. It's like the mutants were living in their own world. There needed to be subtle hints as time went on that humans are realizing that mutants live among them, for example, newspaper headlines or news reports referring to an upsurge of people with special powers. Maybe Logan could've interacted with people who called him a "freak" or "damn mutant," or something like that.

well thats the fault of the movie...even in the Xmen movies they showed regular humans reactions to mutants

 

[X-Maniac]

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. Logan's mom was scared of him but that's all I can remember. It's like the mutants were living in their own world. There needed to be subtle hints as time went on that humans are realizing that mutants live among them, for example, newspaper headlines or news reports referring to an upsurge of people with special powers. Maybe Logan could've interacted with people who called him a "freak" or "damn mutant," or something like that.

I think mutants in this movie were seen more as sideshow freaks. When Bradley died the paper said 'circus freak'...

I think more than likely that questions would be asked publicly as a result of events like Cyclops blasting through a school and the collapse of the reactor on Three Mile Island. That would raise suspicions and start to create concern about mutants being dangerous.

Jackman said in an interview that the movie was set before mutants were widely known and it's logical that fear and distrust began to build in the 15 years between this movie and X1.

 

[Johnny Drama]

You do realize that every one of your critiques are absurd and, quite frankly, lame. You don't see that do you? More's the pity. After reading them, I kind of feel embarrassed for you. If I had the time, I'd take every point apart but they're just so ridiculous and reaching that it would be a waste of time. It does show an incredible amount of limited thinking on your part. Congratulations.

One movie quote does seem necessary, however.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Don't make me use this...

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

The Mutant Phenominna - Explination...

If mutants were unknown, and largely kept secrete. Then why did some mutants openly use there powers in x-men origins wolverine...

Lets just look at this for a second...

When young james howlett first revealed he had bone claws, his mother didnt know what he was. Creed did because he is of the same "Mutant" species. Elizabeth simply wrote off her son because she didnt understand what he was or that he was a mutant.

During the wars, i would imagine that mutant abilities were kept a secrete and used as a weapon against the enemies. So its a bit like, what they didnt tell you that really happend so still being covered up.

During Team-X - there first mission. Zero killed anyone who saw his ability, Blob blew up the tank with the guy inside, Creed crawlled up the side of a building in the darkness easly unnoticed. Bolt makes the elevator move but its hard to tell what his actual power is, and wade well the way he was swinging the blades you would of just thought he was talented not a mutant. The only true indication of a mutant presence was when Wraith teleported to the side of that guy... Now being that he is a diamond dealer and didnt want to cause fuss, plus he would then have to explain the deaths of all his men without acting like an insain person well would you admit to mutant...

Then we go to lagos were we see the remote villiage get killed, but look around there just soldiers with guns and knives... How could you tell the are mutants. none of them displayed any of there powers.

Silver Fox never really displayers her powers because its persusaion, so they would never know directly they were being controlled.

Bolt - was in a circus and his ability was played off as a cheap trick.

Creed amd Logan figth in a bar revealing his bone claws - the only time i figure the public would see a mutation but it was a small town and chances are that the small town would write it off as a phenomina. you know UFO's, sasquash...LOL and the occassional ghost siting.

Blob got fat, and wraith well only seemed comfortable to teleport when there was nobody but Blob and Logan in that boxing arena...

Gambit - was flamboiantly using his ability, but did you see how he was doing it, in plain sight. How many TV Magicians or nightclub hired entertainers done simuler things to shock and amaze you. The reason that customers didnt think twice about it is probably because he either works in the bar and they thought it was paid entertaiment.

However when Gambit goes to fight with Logan throwing him throw a wall, well if that happend to you, wouldnt you think it might of been staged a little, i mean you go to those universal studio rides where the used to do disaster rides and everything seems fine until they stage a flood or something, remember they were in a bar, with entertainment, he was entertaining customers probably thought it was part of the act.

Cyclops at school hid his power, with great difficulty - it is only revealed when he is being hunted by creed and even then nobody was around to explain the burns so the school would simply explain it was a fire.

then we move to strykers island were they all know about mutants because they have been experimenting on them.

So the way i see it, unless you were a mutant who knew other mutants, the Mutant Phenominia was still left pretty much unknown up to x1

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Mutants aren't even out there in the public eye.

Bradley is hiding his powers, playing them off as a circus trick.

Gambit isn't using his powers in broad daylight. He's doing tricks with playing cards, and the people around him just see it as that.

When he unveils his powers, people run. But a couple displays of powers won't amount to widespread knowledge of the mutant phenomenon.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

When young james howlett first revealed he had bone claws, his mother didnt know what he was. Creed did because he is of the same "Mutant" species. Elizabeth simply wrote off her son because she didnt understand what he was or that he was a mutant.

I guess "mutant" wasn't even a word by that time.

 

[danoyse]

Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. Logan's mom was scared of him but that's all I can remember. It's like the mutants were living in their own world. There needed to be subtle hints as time went on that humans are realizing that mutants live among them, for example, newspaper headlines or news reports referring to an upsurge of people with special powers. Maybe Logan could've interacted with people who called him a "freak" or "damn mutant," or something like that.

I also noticed when I saw it yesterday that little Logan looked very angry at his mom before he ran out, so I think the news that his father was someone else turned him against her as much as she was suddenly shocked by what just happened to him.

As far as no one noticing mutants up where Logan was living - that seemed like a pretty isolated area. If he was lying low, and had no real reason to use his powers, how would anyone figure out he was a mutant? The only way I see that happening would be if he were hurt on the job and healed rapidly.

 

[LexCorp]

- Cyclops has laser eyes in this movie and not optic blasts but when Deadpool uses them against Creed, no hole is burned through Creed's body and his clothes aren't even burnt and then they return back to laser beams.

- Stryker walks off of an island.

- Wolverine either leaves Kayla's body to rot in the woods, takes her back to their house, or allows the cops/medics to get the body but never wonders what happened to it or if there was a funeral for the woman he loved. He also could not smell with his super senses that it wasn't her blood and he doesn't go bounding after Creed right then and there for killing the woman he loved.

- The cages that housed the mutants for six years had no toilets or beds in them.

- Wolverine's bone claws are broken but adamantium somehow completes the broken set and even changes the entire appearance of the bone claws on its own in liquid form.

- Stryker only wants Wolverine's DNA but decides to give him an indestructible skeleton and smartly orders his termination after the procedure.

- Barakapool's can bend his arms with 3 foot long arm blades in them.

- Wolverine boxes Blob but threatens him with his claws after the fight when he could have done that to begin with.

- The back door to Stryker's facility leads off of a cliff...good door placement.

- Cyclops does not use his eye beams to escape the wire mesh cage he is being held in.

- After loosing his memory, Logan remembers where he left his jacket the old man gave him that seems to also be indestructible.

- One of the guys on Team X that cannot die is not sent in first.

- Gambit's guards played cards with him when he is a captive that can escape by touching objects.

- Professor Xavier knew about the Weapon X facility and decided to show up at that exact moment.

- Magneto's kids are being held captive in a facility filled with metal and they are still there.

- Cyclops can wear sun glasses to every class but Spanish.

- Gambit can recover from being knocked out and appear on a roof in mere seconds.

- LCD computer screens and television monitors existed in the 70's-80's.

- Wolverine will fight in American wars for 2 centuries but when asked to rejoin he proclaims that he isn't American.

- Wolverine can stop laser beams with his claws and also charge up a force that can repel back to the source.

lol

These are good ones

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Wow, some of those things mentioned are sooo far off the mark.

Who says the kids were kept captive for 6 years?

So bone cannot heal then na? And who gives a toss if the blades come out different after the experimentation? To nit pick that is bordering on OCD levels.

No, Stryker wanted to make Wolverine a weapon, that's why he was going to erase his memory. That obviously went pear shaped. And what do clandestine organizations do when one of their operatives escapes? They have them hunted down.

And I'd imagine Wolverine didn't want to join Stryker again because he doesn't like killing innocent non combatants.

 

[Kanon]

People is aware of mutants long before X-Men. The subject is treated as a problem 'cause it's then that it looks like they are on the way to be a dominant species...

Just looking at X-Men you should imagine someone made a note of Magneto using his powers in the nazi camp, or little Mystique afraid to go to school as a child...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think mutants were known of in Wolverine. But there were not looked at as a threat because people didn't think there was so many of them. It seems mutants were looked at as entertainers and what not.

 

[LexCorp]

I honestly did not care or see any of the "faults" while watching the movie I would like to point out.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Na neither did I really. But when people go looking for faults, they will find em.

 

[Nathan]

And they're not really having a hard time finding them.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well some of them spank you straight in the face, no doubt.

But some of them are seriously like OCD levels of nit picking.

 

[LexCorp]

Na neither did I really. But when people go looking for faults, they will find em.

Funny just like the movie the number 23 I watched recently.

If yo ulook for it, it will be there.

 

[danoyse]

I saw it for the 3rd time yesterday. I definitely saw a bunch of the nitpicks, but at this point all I could think was...'oh, who cares?'

I saw it with a friend who doesn't know X-Men all that well. She loved it. I enjoyed it more watching with it someone who wasn't taking every scene apart.

 

[LexCorp]

Indeed

My brain was engaged for enjoyment not critic spotting.

 

[Golgo-13]

I assume by what Stryker had said in X2 about his son returning from Xaviers school and THEN killing his mom (Strykers wife) that XOW happened AFTER Xavier had opened his school for the gifted,and AFTER Stryker wife had been killed, hence the conversation between Stryker and the General. I'm just wondering why the public hadn't gotten wind of it this school taking in 'freaks', since it was a public school....the mutant phenomenon hadn't really come to light until X1, but Xavier has had a school open for 15 years plus, and the media doesn't know about it..?

 

[Nathan]

Well, he IS a telepath.

 

[Golgo-13]

Well, he IS a telepath.

Huh?

He was openly recruiting gifted children, ie Jean Grey in X3 (where the caption states 20 years ago)- which from the X3 timeline would mean that it was about 20 years before X1 also. So Jean Grey was at his school BEFORE Cyclops was, as he was picked up 15 years before X1 vs her 20 years. My point is, that he's been at it for 20 years plus, and the public is unaware of mutants..?

 

[uchiha_itachi]

who would tell that there loved ones had powers?

 

[X-Maniac]

Huh?

He was openly recruiting gifted children, ie Jean Grey in X3 (where the caption states 20 years ago)- which from the X3 timeline would mean that it was about 20 years before X1 also. So Jean Grey was at his school BEFORE Cyclops was, as he was picked up 15 years before X1 vs her 20 years. My point is, that he's been at it for 20 years plus, and the public is unaware of mutants..?

Xavier wasn't publicly advertising 'Mutant High', it was a school for 'gifted' youngsters - and even Bobby Drake's family didn't know that their son was a mutant nor that he was at a school for mutants. And yet Bobby had no other obvious gifts, but still his parents were quite happy for their son to go to a school for the gifted. Didn't they ever wonder what his gift actually was?

The point is that of course the public is unaware, as we see in X2. Even parents themselves are unaware. Jean Grey's parents just thought she was 'ill', Bobby's parents never questioned why he was at a school for the gifted.

Of course, now that this was shown in X2, I know it will get a free pass and a forgiving nod.

 

[BestGirl]

I think mutants in this movie were seen more as sideshow freaks. When Bradley died the paper said 'circus freak'...

I think more than likely that questions would be asked publicly as a result of events like Cyclops blasting through a school and the collapse of the reactor on Three Mile Island. That would raise suspicions and start to create concern about mutants being dangerous.

Jackman said in an interview that the movie was set before mutants were widely known and it's logical that fear and distrust began to build in the 15 years between this movie and X1.

The circus freak theory makes sense but I would've preferred some hostile confrontations between Wolverine and ordinary humans. Someone, maybe after the bar fight, could've told him to go back to the circus or something, like mutants are tolerable only as long as they're in their place. I've always felt like the conflict between mutants and society was one of the cornerstones of the X-series. At least, that's what I gathered from the cartoon. t:

 

[chaseter]

So where would Xavier take ALL the "students" if he didnt already have a means to house them? Im sure he has some facilities set up.. maybe not so much a school but maybe a Mansion?? he could have had everything prepped by the time he intervened.. and had Wolverine not freed everyone would Xavier still have showed up?? how did he know to be there? He had to have known something concerning that situation to know "today is the day these mutants escape.. I will be there to greet them" ... lol

He has a big van with blacked out windows so that the pesky sun won't wake them up early. It is also filled with puppies and kittens.