Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

so whats the big deal wit him being upset that they tricked him?? he came out the deal a winner if you ask me.. he already had a healing factor and bone claws.. if anything Wolverine should be thanking Stryker that he gave him Adamantium bones and claws n made him so damn near indesctructable! lmao
 
Well wouldn't you be pissed off if the women you loved turned out to be a double crossing ***** who stitched you up so you could become a lab rat? I know I would.
 
so whats the big deal wit him being upset that they tricked him?? he came out the deal a winner if you ask me.. he already had a healing factor and bone claws.. if anything Wolverine should be thanking Stryker that he gave him Adamantium bones and claws n made him so damn near indesctructable! lmao


Yeah, there's that little part about being duped by Silverfox and having his heart torn to pieces since she was working fo Stryker....but hey, adamantium laced skeleton and claws...all's forgiven? Nahhh. That's my point in all this, we should have seen a feral Wovlerine in this movie, and what we got was a really pathetic sort of do-gooder.

I wanted the rage we saw in X2 in the mansion, times 10 for this movie, and unfortunately it didn't deliver. "Become the animal?" I wish!! It was more like "Become the slightly irked Canadian who likes semi-brooding and delivering one-liners"
 
"Oh my god they killed my girlfriend. I guess Sbretooth ripped out her throat...well no her throat is in tact...maybe he slashed open her stomach...no in fact her clothes are in tact too...wait is this even blood???"
 
You know what's sad? Even on the Wii, the freaking Wii, they show Silver Fox like Sabertooth assaulted her. Cuts on her face, a blue eye. In the Movie it's just, lay down while I pour blood over you.
 
Silver Fox got a Scarlet Shower...lol
 
Just to make it clear, there is no deleted scene where he takes her to the lake, what you saw in the preview was what happened at the end of the film when his is carrying her away and is then shot by Stryker.
So I guess they re-did all of that with fx? I wonder why...it was a nice shot in the trailers.
 
I thought some of these were funny from IMDB:

In the iconic shot (also seen in the commercials and trailers) where Logan slashes a big "X" through a steel door with his new claws, the three-blade "tic-tac-toe" design his cuts make leaves four little squares of metal floating in mid-air.

Sabretooth is clearly being shot through the chest by Weapon XI laser vision, yet when Sabretooth regenerates and stands up there are no holes in his shirt or cape, as if it never happened.

When Wolverine approaches Kayla's body, her mouth is hanging open. When he reaches down to close her eyes, her mouth is closed.

After the revelations on Three Mile Island, Logan leaves in disgust only to rush back when he hears SilverFox screaming, but reappears without the shirt he left in.

When Wolverine first reveals his new claws, they come from the middle of the back of his hand. Later, during fight scenes, they are clearly coming from in between his knuckles.

After Wolverine slices through the first vehicle, the vehicle flips showing no damage from the claws.

When Gambit is first introduced in the casino, he has a slight beard (especially noticeable when he says "Do I owe you money?"). However, after knocking Wolverine through the wall and into the alley, he is shown to be almost completely clean-shaven.

Hydrochlorothiazide seems to have been confused with Tetrodotoxin, which would, for the purposes of the fiction, give the desired effect, assuming a good deal of luck and caution.

Wolverine shouldn't be able to make his adamantium claws spark (like when he ignites the fuel that makes the helicopter explode), as a spark is a tiny fragment of metal igniting and adamantium is supposed to be indestructible.

When Wolverine is about to be lowered into the Adamantium tank he is wearing navy blue shorts. When he jumps up out of the tank he is naked.

Wolverine's girlfriend tells him the story of the wolverine and his love, the moon. At one point, she mentions the wolverine howling at the moon. A real wolverine is not a wolf and does not howl at the moon. In fact, it does not howl at all.

Given this storyline, Wolverine should have two holes in the adamantium layer over his skull where the bullets pass through, as the metal would not heal. Since this layer of metal is on the outside of the bone, this missing layer of metal would show as two round impressions the size of .44 magnum rounds under the skin as there is no muscle layer over the forehead.
 
Actually Wolverine's do howl, not like a dog or wolf but they do howl, sounds more like squeeling.
 
I have never run across a wolverine so I have no idea. I want one as a pet!:cwink:

But, the only things that I know that howl at the moon are wolves, werewolves, werecars, and drunk frat guys.
 
And neither do Wolves. They just howl, not necessarily at the moon. Oh no! Real life has a plot hole!! :hehe:
 
I'm speaking to one right now. He says Wolves howling at the moon is a myth cooked up in literature and film. :D
 
Well we need to find out for sure. The best way to find wolves is by wearing a meat vest and crawling into their burrows with cubs. You can do it.
 
Hydrochlorothiazide seems to have been confused with Tetrodotoxin, which would, for the purposes of the fiction, give the desired effect, assuming a good deal of luck and caution.

Why is it confused? Hydrochlorothiazide does slow heart function. Tetrodotoxin paralyses all the body's muscles but has no known antidote, so that would hardly be a wise choice.

Wolverine shouldn't be able to make his adamantium claws spark (like when he ignites the fuel that makes the helicopter explode), as a spark is a tiny fragment of metal igniting and adamantium is supposed to be indestructible.

This sounds like nonsense. All metals are prone to magnetic and electrical effects because of their free-moving electrons. We know adamantium can be magnetised from what we've seen Magneto do. A spark is not necessarily an ember of material, it can be an electrostatic discharge from friction causing a charge build-up. You don't need pieces of metal in the atmophere to create lightning, it is simply electricity travelling between two points.


When Wolverine is about to be lowered into the Adamantium tank he is wearing navy blue shorts. When he jumps up out of the tank he is naked.

He isn't wearing shorts, he has a sort of black strap across him. Did you want his genitals waving about in the water?

Given this storyline, Wolverine should have two holes in the adamantium layer over his skull where the bullets pass through, as the metal would not heal. Since this layer of metal is on the outside of the bone, this missing layer of metal would show as two round impressions the size of .44 magnum rounds under the skin as there is no muscle layer over the forehead.

And yet a metal bullet went right inside his forehead in X2 and later popped out. Where did it go into?
 
Well we need to find out for sure. The best way to find wolves is by wearing a meat vest and crawling into their burrows with cubs. You can do it.

Fact: Wolves do not howl at the moon. :word:
 
Why is it confused? Hydrochlorothiazide does slow heart function. Tetrodotoxin paralyses all the body's muscles but has no known antidote, so that would hardly be a wise choice.
I am not familiar with either so I am not going to pretend like I know. These are from imdb.



This sounds like nonsense. All metals are prone to magnetic and electrical effects because of their free-moving electrons. We know adamantium can be magnetised from what we've seen Magneto do. A spark is not necessarily an ember of material, it can be an electrostatic discharge from friction causing a charge build-up. You don't need pieces of metal in the atmophere to create lightning, it is simply electricity travelling between two points.
Now this stuff I do know. The claws are attached to Wolverine...they are not seperate entities with opposing charges to create a spark. A spark is built up when an object has built up a net positive or net negative charge and then when another object that is a conductor comes close enough for the charges to transfer, a spark will occur. So in essence, Wolverine's right claw cannot build up a charge so that when it comes in contact with his other claw a spark from electrostatic charges will not occur because they are connected through his body which a) is coated in metal and b) is filled with fluids which are both conductors. So, the only way he could create sparks between his own claws would be to remove pieces of the metal which is what happens when metal hits metal.

With the rocks that he sparked, they are grounded so there goes the chance for them to have a net positive or negative charge to create a spark when Wolverine gets near and his mutation is not electrically based so he would not have a net positive or negative charge. But, he could have caused the rocks to spark without damage to his claws...the one they are referring to is when he sparks his own claws.




He isn't wearing shorts, he has a sort of black strap across him. Did you want his genitals waving about in the water?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOz8Bo5X9vA&feature=related


And yet a metal bullet went right inside his forehead in X2 and later popped out. Where did it go into?
Wrong...the bullet did not pierce his skull in X2. In this movie two bullets did and it should have been shown in X1 when they did his X-ray.
 
Fact: Wolves do not howl at the moon. :word:
I never said they did:huh: If you couldn't figure out from my post that I was joking then watch out for werewolves and werecars:eek:!!! The guy from imdb said Wolverine's don't howl at the moon.

Wolves howl as a form of communication.
 
Now this stuff I do know. The claws are attached to Wolverine...they are not seperate entities with opposing charges to create a spark. A spark is built up when an object has built up a net positive or net negative charge and then when another object that is a conductor comes close enough for the charges to transfer, a spark will occur. So in essence, Wolverine's right claw cannot build up a charge so that when it comes in contact with his other claw a spark from electrostatic charges will not occur because they are connected through his body which a) is coated in metal and b) is filled with fluids which are both conductors. So, the only way he could create sparks between his own claws would be to remove pieces of the metal which is what happens when metal hits metal.

With the rocks that he sparked, they are grounded so there goes the chance for them to have a net positive or negative charge to create a spark when Wolverine gets near and his mutation is not electrically based so he would not have a net positive or negative charge. But, he could have caused the rocks to spark without damage to his claws...the one they are referring to is when he sparks his own claws.

But two parts of the same object can develop opposite charges - that's why we have poles. The two poles are often connected to each other, but one develops a build-up of electrons, the other a deficit, and then charge flows. It could also fly across the gap between the two poles. As far as i can see, Wolverine's claws could easily develop opposite charges.




But he isn't wearing black shorts, it's a wide black strap/restraint across his lower torso to keep his body down in the water.


Wrong...the bullet did not pierce his skull in X2. In this movie two bullets did and it should have been shown in X1 when they did his X-ray.

I'm not wrong. The bullet in X2 went inside the flesh of his forehead and disappeared from view. Which means he has a lot of flesh on his forehead for that to happen!!! I'm not saying it pierced his skull, I'm saying it was shown going inside the flesh of his forehead and then popping out a lot later.
 
But two parts of the same object can develop opposite charges - that's why we have poles. The two poles are often connected to each other, but one develops a build-up of electrons, the other a deficit, and then charge flows. It could also fly across the gap between the two poles. As far as i can see, Wolverine's claws could easily develop opposite charges.
I won't fight you to fight you but I disagree. When you scoot across the carpet, you don't cause an electrostatic shock between your two fingers. It happens when your charged body touches an object with no net charge. Having poles on this planet is in no way the same as this situation.


But he isn't wearing black shorts, it's a wide black strap/restraint across his lower torso to keep his body down in the water.
He was wearing tight white shorts in that clip I posted. Unless the blonde woman pulled them off or he cut them off then how did they disappear? It's just a minor continuity issue.



I'm not wrong. The bullet in X2 went inside the flesh of his forehead and disappeared from view. Which means he has a lot of flesh on his forehead for that to happen!!! I'm not saying it pierced his skull, I'm saying it was shown going inside the flesh of his forehead and then popping out a lot later.
It did go inside his flesh but it didn't go inside his skull. I don't remember how the bullet looked but it should have been flattened out by hitting a hard surface so it could fit beneath the flesh. It is also plausible that the flesh started to heal around the bullet which is why we didn't see it and as it healed, it pushed the bullet out. However, that could be seen as an error as well within X2. But, the point is that Stryker shoots two bullets inside his skull to reach his brain to erase his memories. Adamantium doesn't heal and his skull was intact in X1 with no holes. I have no idea why this movie tried to stay true to certain things and deviated so much on others. It is like they half ***ed the continuity.

I am trying to find it on youtube but all there is are thousands of dumb fanvideos with horrible music.
 
He was wearing tight white shorts in that clip I posted. Unless the blonde woman pulled them off or he cut them off then how did they disappear? It's just a minor continuity issue.

That was a sheet covering him, not shorts. I read when they filmed the scenes in the tank he was wearing flesh-colored underwear, so no navy-blue shorts. All that was visible was the belt holding him in the tank.

There is a quick shot in that trailer you posted when he's slashing up the place where you can see he's wearing shorts, but that's not visible in the final film.

Wow, I know far too much about that scene... :o
 
So who removed the sheet! I guess the doc had a little peeky:D
 
I won't fight you to fight you but I disagree. When you scoot across the carpet, you don't cause an electrostatic shock between your two fingers. It happens when your charged body touches an object with no net charge. Having poles on this planet is in no way the same as this situation.

I think his exposed claws (and the act of unsheathing them, the friction and kinetic energy) could create a charge in the metal. Unsheathing the other set could create a charge too, and we'd then have them acting like two poles. But we'll agree to disagree.

But, one thing is for sure. Adamantium has been shown to be vulnerable to electromagnetism, so it is not entirely indestructible - certainly not on a molecular or atomic or subatomic level. It is extremely durable on a macroscopic level, of course.



He was wearing tight white shorts in that clip I posted. Unless the blonde woman pulled them off or he cut them off then how did they disappear? It's just a minor continuity issue.

Danoyse has addressed this. It was a white sheet or towel. In the tank, it was a black restraint, not shorts. I don't think it's bad continuity, it's the editing; we didn't need to see every detail of sheets and restraints being added or removed.


It did go inside his flesh but it didn't go inside his skull. I don't remember how the bullet looked but it should have been flattened out by hitting a hard surface so it could fit beneath the flesh. It is also plausible that the flesh started to heal around the bullet which is why we didn't see it and as it healed, it pushed the bullet out. However, that could be seen as an error as well within X2.

Well, the bullet should have ricocheted off his skull with a metallic clang, so it's an error really - but it was done for dramatic purposes so that he appeared to be shot, even dead. Just to create tension in the scene.

But, the point is that Stryker shoots two bullets inside his skull to reach his brain to erase his memories. Adamantium doesn't heal and his skull was intact in X1 with no holes. I have no idea why this movie tried to stay true to certain things and deviated so much on others. It is like they half ***ed the continuity.

It's been mentioned here that maybe the adamantium was bonded on a molecular level. Could someone live with an impervious covering of metal over their bones? I doubt it. The bones couldn't just be sealed off from the rest of the body. If the metal is bonded on a molecular level, maybe it can heal with his body?

But, regardless of this, you said earlier you weren't bothered about continuity, that you just wanted a fantastic movie and that would have stood on its own. So why is continuity an issue now?

Remember, the Wolverine 'Origins' comic book miniseries that established he definitely was born with bone claws wasn't even released at the time of the first movie.

X1 went on what was established at that time, when that movie was made 10 years ago.

The new Wolverine movie tried to take some of that now-established comic book canon and also loosely slot it in with the films. If the Wolverine movie hadn't used the Origins comic, then fans would moan, but now they have used it, movie purists like you are moaning. It's a difficult position to be in, making a movie that has the baggage of three previous films and all those comic books.

What you call half ***ed is what most sensible people would see as compromise between both worlds - the movies and the comics.
 
he is a question the film makers should have asked themselves before making this.........WHY MAKE AN ORIGIN MOVIE WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE FIRST 2 MOVIES
(3rd movie did no background...FU ratner.)
 

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