Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

Besides saying it was grounded, can you explain these 2 to me?

Singer said, on the DVD commentaries i think, that he didn't want his characters flying about all over the place and wanted to keep it grounded. So Storm only 'flies' once and that is very briefly to raise herself out of an elevator. Fans wanted her to fly more, so she did in X3. Similarly, Rogue doesn't have the comic book powers of flight and superhuman strength.

As for Mystique, the comic book version walks round in a white dress with skulls on it and just shapeshifts her molecules in a swirl effect (the cartoon version added a slurping sound effect when it happens!!!). Singer said he wanted it to be different, like she was growing a duplicate inside and then flipping her scales back to reveal it. The comic book version doesn't have scales and is no way implied to have any reptilian elements. By doing that in the movie, it was an excellent interpretation and a clever piece of thinking. She was more like a chameleon (which is a lizard) if she had some lizard-like properties

Vince McMahon is old and muscular and he's pretty real.

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So what? The movie version of Magneto seems more like a well-travelled man in his 60s than the comic book muscleman. And why would a man who can move things magnetically be a bodybuilder? He wouldn't. That's what I mean by grounded.
 
And don't even get me started on Jack LaLanne. 90+ years and going strong.
 
Doesn't mean he has to hit the gym like crazy. In a Movie not everyone needs to look like a bodybuilder as in the comics. Heck, in the comics even Xavier is ripped.
 
Xavier HAS to be ripped. He doesn't spend 24/7 hours on a chair. He needs stong arms to lift himself, go to the toilet, go to bed, et cetera. That's why a lot of wheelchair-bound people have strong arms. Even the ones with motorized chairs.
 
Strong arms are one thing, but there are pages where he looks like as if he had Arnold at his personal trainer, six pack and all.
 
Xavier HAS to be ripped. He doesn't spend 24/7 hours on a chair. He needs stong arms to lift himself, go to the toilet, go to bed, et cetera. That's why a lot of wheelchair-bound people have strong arms. Even the ones with motorized chairs.

No, he doesn't have to be 'ripped'. He would be fit and strong in the arms but he wouldn't need to have bulging biceps and triceps like someone in a bodybuilding contest.

In the comics, all the women look like supermodels and all the men like WWE powerhouses, because of exaggerated comic book art. This ain't the comics.
 
Well... they SHOULD be.

No, they aren't, won't be and will not ever be. No comic book movie has yet clung to the comics frame for frame. You aren't living in the real world.

Please don't tell us you're some basement/bedroom nerd who works at Burger King by day and thinks he can rule the world on an internet forum for the rest of the time! :hehe:
 
I think Dev has his tongue firmly placed in his cheek peoples :D

As for McMahon? More like McRoid. Nuff said.
 
Doesn't mean he has to hit the gym like crazy. In a Movie not everyone needs to look like a bodybuilder as in the comics. Heck, in the comics even Xavier is ripped.
Exactly. Hell, you could even say that some mutants are just physically fit...lol but that does seem to be the case except when one binge eats. We don't know that when Magneto uses his powers that he isn't also using his muscles or straining his body which keeps him fit.
 
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i wonder if they ever screen test these things to see how it looks on film.. getting a white haired older male very fit like Magneto complete with comic costume and helmet (i really wish they woulda at least kept his comic helmet in the movie lol) or Wolverine in his yellow and blue complete with mask suit (doesnt have to be spandex lol) and see how it works.. I mean in the Wolverine game his suit isnt spandex but has a realistic look to it so idk i think it could work..or do they just say NO its not gonna work lets add MY twist to it.. lol idk i jus think it would be interesting to see comic X-men (although not 100% but at least a good 80-95%) pages translated to film... but i also think it might draw too much attn away from the film having all those unique outstanding and colorful outfits on screen.. maybe thats why in the X-films the suits are bland simple dark and rather boring...
 
i wonder if they ever screen test these things to see how it looks on film.. getting a white haired older male very fit like Magneto complete with comic costume and helmet (i really wish they woulda at least kept his comic helmet in the movie lol) or Wolverine in his yellow and blue complete with mask suit (doesnt have to be spandex lol) and see how it works.. I mean in the Wolverine game his suit isnt spandex but has a realistic look to it so idk i think it could work..or do they just say NO its not gonna work lets add MY twist to it.. lol idk i jus think it would be interesting to see comic X-men (although not 100% but at least a good 80-95%) pages translated to film... but i also think it might draw too much attn away from the film having all those unique outstanding and colorful outfits on screen.. maybe thats why in the X-films the suits are bland simple dark and rather boring...

I like to believe they do test costumes more faithful to the comics
 
Please don't tell us you're some basement/bedroom nerd who works at Burger King by day and thinks he can rule the world on an internet forum for the rest of the time! :hehe:

Actually it's Pizza Hut, but all the rest is correct.
 
- Cyclops has laser eyes in this movie and not optic blasts but when Deadpool uses them against Creed, no hole is burned through Creed's body and his clothes aren't even burnt and then they return back to laser beams.
I seem to remember Cyclops having laser eyes in The Last Stand, when he fires at the lake. Also, Deadpool could have shot less-powerful blasts at Creed so he would not kill him. After all, Stryker only used his control over Deadpool to target and engage Wolverine. Either that or the DNA of Cyclops didn't transfer over to Deadpool to its full extent.

- Stryker walks off of an island.
There's a bridge you can see in the last shot of the movie before the credits.

- Wolverine either leaves Kayla's body to rot in the woods, takes her back to their house, or allows the cops/medics to get the body but never wonders what happened to it or if there was a funeral for the woman he loved.
Um, yeah, it's probably one of those things. But it happened off-screen. That's not exactly poor storytelling.
He also could not smell with his super senses that it wasn't her blood and he doesn't go bounding after Creed right then and there for killing the woman he loved.
Now, I don't remember every detail of the movie, but he may not have discovered his super smelling senses yet. Or he may not have smelt the blood because he had such mixed emotions in his head at the time. Also, I thought he did immediately go after Creed. In the next scene or the one after the next, he busts right into the bar to face him.

- The cages that housed the mutants for six years had no toilets or beds in them.
I'm sure they're constantly bringing the mutants out for experiments, they can sleep and do their business then. Those were probably just temporary holding cages.

- Wolverine boxes Blob but threatens him with his claws after the fight when he could have done that to begin with.
I think he wanted to take it easy on Blob because of what Wraith was telling him about his old, now-overweight friend. I don't think Wolvie immediately resorted to a fight with his claws when he found Gambit, either. That's just if he gets fueled enough.

- Cyclops does not use his eye beams to escape the wire mesh cage he is being held in.
I thought this was valid at first because of how easy it would be to remove the eye mask, but Cyclops seemed like a good kid; he probably didn't want to blast all of the mutants around him.

- After loosing his memory, Logan remembers where he left his jacket the old man gave him that seems to also be indestructible.
I don't remember this. I thought Wolvie was leaving the island in the last shot in his white tank top.

- One of the guys on Team X that cannot die is not sent in first.
It could have been recommended, but the guy with the pistols (I don't know his name) knew that he could do the job of getting the first guards.

- Gambit's guards played cards with him when he is a captive that can escape by touching objects.
They could have either A. Not known his power, or B. Played with him while he had restraints, like Cyclops's eye mask.

- Professor Xavier knew about the Weapon X facility and decided to show up at that exact moment.
He was probably there long before that, but didn't want to risk himself by going inside. He was taking advantage of the time Wolverine came to save everybody and was guiding them out. Also, if he wasn't using his mind powers to already know abou the place, he probably saw it on the news.

- Magneto's kids are being held captive in a facility filled with metal and they are still there.
Magneto's kids? Sorry, but I may have missed something.

- LCD computer screens and television monitors existed in the 70's-80's.
You didn't explain this point very well, but when exactly was this movie supposed to be taking place? Couldn't it have been the '70s-'80s? As I said, I don't remember the details.

- Wolverine will fight in American wars for 2 centuries but when asked to rejoin he proclaims that he isn't American.
Only about one century, actually. But he was just using excuses against Stryker anyway.

- Wolverine can stop laser beams with his claws and also charge up a force that can repel back to the source.
That was overboard, but heck, it was cool.

I didn't say anything about the ones I thought were valid.
 
*ahem*sincity*ahem*

AHA!! so it can be done... i think its all on the execution and players involved to wanna make it that good... this seems like they just wanted to get a quick fix and pay sum bills.. Fox needs a bailout??? :woot:
 
hey.. if Xavier new Wolverine was at the island freeing mutants and showed up to help Scott escape.. why did he leave Wolverine there just to go looking for him 15 years later? and why then when he meets him face to face in the X mansion in X1 does he not tell him at least some of the details of his past.. did or does Xavier have any knowledge of Wolverine being shot and therefore has loss of memory.. he seems to know everything else about Wolverines past concerning Alkali lake.. (my apologies if this has been discussed)
 
*ahem*sincity*ahem*

It's also a lot easier to do in that movie because Sin City was a self contained series of graphic novels, not an ongoing comic book title spanning decades and multiple runs and alternate takes.
 
hey.. if Xavier new Wolverine was at the island freeing mutants and showed up to help Scott escape.. why did he leave Wolverine there just to go looking for him 15 years later? and why then when he meets him face to face in the X mansion in X1 does he not tell him at least some of the details of his past.. did or does Xavier have any knowledge of Wolverine being shot and therefore has loss of memory.. he seems to know everything else about Wolverines past concerning Alkali lake.. (my apologies if this has been discussed)

Xavier didn't know about Wolverine, at least not specifically. Cerebro obviously doesn't identify mutants based upon powers, since Xavier couldn't figure out why he was unable to track Nightcrawler in X2. So even if he did track a mutant who was saving the children on 3 Mile Island, there is no way that Xavier would have been able to connect him to Logan 15 years later.

And he only knows everything about Logan's past after he reads his mind [Logan is a mystery to Xavier in X-Men, but even though we don't actually see it, it's established that Xavier read Logan's mind (X2: "I need you to read my mind again") and in X2 Xavier knows about Logan's past. It came from Xavier reading Logan's mind.]
 
hey.. if Xavier new Wolverine was at the island freeing mutants and showed up to help Scott escape.. why did he leave Wolverine there just to go looking for him 15 years later? and why then when he meets him face to face in the X mansion in X1 does he not tell him at least some of the details of his past.. did or does Xavier have any knowledge of Wolverine being shot and therefore has loss of memory.. he seems to know everything else about Wolverines past concerning Alkali lake.. (my apologies if this has been discussed)

Just chalk this up to yet another continuity screw up 'caused by the Wolverine movie. I swear, is it so hard film makers to go back and look at the films they're making their prequels for...? Lucas and the SW PT...i mean having movies that will stem from your prequel should make the writers job easier cause you already know what direction the character is going to go in, and don't really have to come up with any fresh ideas.
 
Just chalk this up to yet another continuity screw up 'caused by the Wolverine movie. I swear, is it so hard film makers to go back and look at the films they're making their prequels for...? Lucas and the SW PT...i mean having movies that will stem from your prequel should make the writers job easier.

Too bad this alleged "continuity screwup" is something made up by bitter fanbois and not an actual continuity error in the movies.
 
hey.. if Xavier new Wolverine was at the island freeing mutants and showed up to help Scott escape.. why did he leave Wolverine there just to go looking for him 15 years later? and why then when he meets him face to face in the X mansion in X1 does he not tell him at least some of the details of his past.. did or does Xavier have any knowledge of Wolverine being shot and therefore has loss of memory.. he seems to know everything else about Wolverines past concerning Alkali lake.. (my apologies if this has been discussed)

There was nothing in the movie to indicate that Xavier knew Wolverine was on the island. He may have found out he was there, but Wolverine had run off before Xavier could reach him anyway.

He didn't leave Wolverine to go looking for Xavier, they only found him because they were tracking Sabertooth and he happened to be there when they found him.

He didn't tell him all the details of his past then because he wanted Logan to stay - they made a deal where if he stayed with them for 3 days he would help him find out about his past. He sent him to find Alkali Lake at the end of the movie.

But then it was revealed in X2 that Xavier was keeping things from Logan. He claimed Wolverine wasn't ready to know everything, but Magneto accused him of not wanting to lose one of his "precious X-Men." He obviously knew more than he was letting on.
 

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