Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[MrWayne]

or did he have the danger room rigged as a kindergarden?

 

[Golgo-13]

So where would Xavier take ALL the "students" if he didnt already have a means to house them? Im sure he has some facilities set up.. maybe not so much a school but maybe a Mansion?? he could have had everything prepped by the time he intervened.. and had Wolverine not freed everyone would Xavier still have showed up?? how did he know to be there? He had to have known something concerning that situation to know "today is the day these mutants escape.. I will be there to greet them" ... lol

He did have the school set up already. Remember at the beginning of X3, he had the brochure for his school for the gifted at Jean Greys house. That scene takes place 20 years prior to the events of the X1, X2 and X3. Wolverine takes place 15 years prior, so his school would have already been set up and Jean would already be a student.

 

[MrWayne]

you know it woulda been considerate to have all these movies be made so that their in synch with each others endings beginnings and certain details so that its not left up to us to do the stitching together of bits n pieces...

--- I'm seriously gonna go buy the Bluray trilogy pack today!! lol

 

[Golgo-13]

I know ppl have been voicing their dislike about the way they chose to erase Logans memory; i need to voice my opinion.

I find the admantium bullet to be the lowest point of this film. Not only in that they robbed us of an awesome aspect of the Wolverine mytho - memory implantation- but that it seemed so..i dunno, just thrown in there.

What are the chances that one will loose their memory from a head injury? There are reports of ppl falling down flights of stairs, banging their head and having amnesia for many years, yet there are also reports of ppl surviving devastating motorcycle, car wrecks and event gun shots, to the head, where they attain serious head trauma, but yet their memory is just fine. Stryker seemed so sure that a shot to the head would take away Logan's memory, but as a scientist he should know, as should the writers, that injuries to the head don't guarantee such things. Getting amnesia is a crap shoot...it's not a given with any kinda of head trauma.

Cheap plot device.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Indeed it was.

I think if Stryker just aimed to kill him it would of been better, instead of somehow knowing it would erase his memories. "The only way to kill him, adamantium bullets to the brain" or something like that would of worked much better.

It is pretty brutal, correct me if I'm wrong but when was the last time the lead hero took two bullets to the skull at the end of his film? That's the only thing I like about the whole adamantium bullet deal, it is different to see the hero get ****ed over at the end.

 

[topdog1]

It is pretty brutal, correct me if I'm wrong but when was the last time the lead hero took two bullets to the skull at the end of his film? That's the only thing I like about the whole adamantium bullet deal, it is different to see the hero get ****ed over at the end.

Exactly right.

Plus, not a plothole scientifically speaking.

The hippocampus receives input from different parts of the cortex and sends its output out to different parts of the brain. Hippocampal damage will cause memory loss and problems with memory storage. Wolverine's damaged hippocampus would heal but the memory engrams would be gone. Also, scientists do not have an answer to the problem of how our memory works or how we actually store so much data in so few cells but damage those cells and then regenerate them without the prior information would be like deleting a file on your computer. The computer is fine but the info is gone. Also, remember that Stryker gave orders to wipe Wolverine's memory while he was still in the adamantium bath. He has a complete understanding of mutant/human anatomy and science.

It's a fine line because we have billions of brain cells. We use a major portion of them to think with, to run our automatic/autonomic circuits, to operate our motor/muscle circuits, to run disease fighting, vascular, pulmonary, cardiac, etc. This does not leave a lot of brain cells unoccupied. Would Wolverine be able to regenerate those cells and they all still function normally? Apparently so.

The "maybe" plothole here may be the fact that he was never shot in the head during any war. Any bullet through his normal skull would've wiped his memory up to that point. Lucky for both him and Victor I guess.

Like with many things I've read here, not a plot hole at all.

 

[Golgo-13]

I find it very hard to believe that he nor Victor was NEVER shot in the head through any of the wars they'd been in. In the opening montage they showed both of them running into gun fire, taking large amounts of body shots. Any enemy that saw their target still running straight at them after being shot to the body, would automatic assume they're wearing some sort of armor and thus start aiming for the head. Besides, i'm absolutley sure that the firing squad at their execution had to have shot them in the head multiple times, especially after they first realized they weren't dying/dead.

Like i said before, the bullet to the head was a Cheap plot device.

 

[BestGirl]

I find it very hard to believe that he nor Victor was NEVER shot in the head through any of the wars they'd been in. In the opening montage they showed both of them running into gun fire, taking large amounts of body shots. Any enemy that saw their target still running straight at them after being shot to the body, would automatic assume they're wearing some sort of armor and thus start aiming for the head. Besides, i'm absolutley sure that the firing squad at their execution had to have shot them in the head multiple times, especially after they first realized they weren't dying/dead.

Like i said before, the bullet to the head was a Cheap plot device.

But it was an admantium bullet that gave him memory loss, right? An ordinary bullet would have no effect on him.

 

[pyromaniac]

But it was an admantium bullet that gave him memory loss, right? An ordinary bullet would have no effect on him.

Yeah, and that's why THAT bullet stayed in his brain, or we didn't see it come out, haha. Whereas we have seen ordinary bullets pop out of him (X2).

Movie logic is logical. Earth logic is not logical.

 

[chaseter]

The bullet had to be adamantium so that it could pierce his adamantium laced skull. So yeah I agree with Golgo in that it was a cheap plot device and after fighting in 200 years worth of wars, he was never once hit in the head with a bullet? What about the firing squad that had clear shots?

 

[chaseter]

Indeed it was.

I think if Stryker just aimed to kill him it would of been better, instead of somehow knowing it would erase his memories. "The only way to kill him, adamantium bullets to the brain" or something like that would of worked much better.

It is pretty brutal, correct me if I'm wrong but when was the last time the lead hero took two bullets to the skull at the end of his film? That's the only thing I like about the whole adamantium bullet deal, it is different to see the hero get ****ed over at the end.

That to me sounds so much better He is just lying there and Stryker could think he was dead and hell, he could die for a few seconds like he did while in the tank. He is technically dead while his brain is healing itself. The whole magic bullet was terrible.

 

[Golgo-13]

But it was an admantium bullet that gave him memory loss, right? An ordinary bullet would have no effect on him.

The only reason the bullet had to be adamantium, was so it could pierce his now covered adamantium skull. The bullet being adamantium had nothing to do with his memory loss for any other reason...

 

[LexCorp]

The fact that Logan could not tell that his lover was not dead and also what did he do with the body? Just leave it there?

 

[Kanon]

Again with dead Silverfox... animals often wrongly think other living animals are dead, or viceversa... Why can't Logan make that mistake, if the reason against it is that he has animal keen senses?

And what he did with her body, a lot of stuff could have happened off screen, that doesn't change the movie... maybe he called the police, and went immediately after Creed, then Stryker pulled some strings and retrieved her body, or he just left her there, blinded by revenge, I don't know... But we don't need to know every little detail of what happens...

About the magic bullet: I agree that Stryker trying to kill him, and not predicting the memory loss is better, but judging from what we have heard and seen, expecting the audience to figure out what happened to his memory on their own, is giving them too much credit...

 

[roach]

because had he turned the body in a coroner would have discovered that she wasnt dead

 

[Kanon]

because had he turned the body in a coroner would have discovered that she wasnt dead

But Stryker set the whole thing up, so he should have prepared someone inside the local police to retrieve the body...

It's a conspiracy thing, watch some X-Files episode, and you will get it t:

 

[roach]

again this should have been shown to us and not something we had to figure it out

 

[Nathan]

Not everything needs to be shown, but it all shouldn't be guess work either.

 

[roach]

Not everything needs to be shown, but it all shouldn't be guess work either.

no everything doesnt need to be shown but if it has to do with the plot then it needs to be explained.
Why didnt his enhanced senses tell him she wasnt dead??

 

[Kanon]

Not everything needs to be shown, but it all shouldn't be guess work either.

But, seriously, do we really need a scene showing exactly what happened there? It's either one of two, police or not... if he didn't, Stryker just picked her up at the forest. If he called, then he used his influece in the military to retrieve her...

It's not like she re appeared in a ice block to be found by the Avengers... She was with Stryker, and we you ask yourself how, it's pretty simple to imagine how easy would have been for him take her.

 

[Kanon]

no everything doesnt need to be shown but if it has to do with the plot then it needs to be explained.
Why didnt his enhanced senses tell him she wasnt dead??

Again, he has animal keen senses of smell, hearing, taste... doesn't have perfect god-like, life detecting senses... he can be fooled.

 

[roach]

so why didnt he detect that she was still alive

 

[roach]

Again, he has animal keen senses of smell, hearing, taste... doesn't have perfect god-like, life detecting senses... he can be fooled.

yeah hearing as he would be able to hear her heartbeat even if it was slowed down.

 

[Nathan]

But, seriously, do we really need a scene showing exactly what happened there? It's either one of two, police or not... if he didn't, Stryker just picked her up at the forest. If he called, then he used his influece in the military to retrieve her...

It's not like she re appeared in a ice block to be found by the Avengers... She was with Stryker, and we you ask yourself how, it's pretty simple to imagine how easy would have been for him take her.

We don't need to see every single step of what Logan did. But it would've been nice if he picked her up, maybe brought her to her family, back to the their cabin, just getting her corpse somewhere and not leave her lying around for the wolves to feast on. She was the woman he loved, you'd think he wouldn't just leave her rotting in the woods.

 

[Kanon]

yeah hearing as he would be able to hear her heartbeat even if it was slowed down.

How much slowed down it was? One heartbeat a minute? two minutes? Maybe he wasn't there enough time to hear enough. If he heard the heartbeat, but he didn't hear it again for a minute or more, he could have dismissed it as an error of him...

Or maybe he heard the heartbeat and thought "Hey, that sounded like a heatbeat. I'm not hearing it anymore, but maybe I should wait if I hear it again, for as long as it takes, just in case someone is trying to make a zombie out of Kayla"