Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[Muthu_ne1]

Ok i generally want to discuss about the Xavier part in the movie!!!Let say he used cerebro and figured out Scott's rough location!!

Here is the a statement of xavier's powers
"Professor X is able to perceive the thoughts of others or project his own thoughts within a radius of approximately 250 miles (400 km). With extreme effort, he can greatly extend the range of his telepathy.Xavier can perceive the distinct mental presence/brain waves of other superhuman mutants within a small radius of himself."

How did he manage to zero in on Scott's location from a Chopper flying way up in the sky?Not only was he able to contact him specifically without knowing his exact location but was able to direct him outside.What so he had a blue print of the Weapon X facility and as far as i know Xavier has no mindsight so i dont think this is possible.

 

[Suirou]

In X-1, Xavier told Logan that Scott and several other X-Men were his first students.
In X-2, we see Stryker telling Xavier than when Jason came back from his school, Jason began to blame his parents for his mutation and then put images in their head that Strkyer's wife took a drill to her head in attempt to bore them out.

But in X-MW: O~ we see that Jason has been frozen in a tube as a child. And Xavier just showed up to take Scott and several others to his institute.

Why would Stryker go ahead and freeze his son if Xavier only just opened the school?


in X-2 when Jason shows up, he seems to be close to same age as Scott.
in X-MW: O ~ Jason was frozen as a child while Scott was in High School already.

How is that possible for Jason to look the same age as Scott if the ice stops his aging? (Age acceleration power anyone?)

 

[Minus Shock]

Furthermore, excusing the hole where Jason was frozen and age and stuff... lets just ignore that for sake of this argument...

Why would Xavier even have anything to do with Stryker if he knew he kept Scott and such captive?

 

[Legion]

Furthermore, excusing the hole where Jason was frozen and age and stuff... lets just ignore that for sake of this argument...

Why would Xavier even have anything to do with Stryker if he knew he kept Scott and such captive?

He doesn't. He already tried to help Jason and "failed". Stryker's wife is dead and now he is experimenting on mutants so he can eventually wipe them out.

 

[Minus Shock]

I guess that works. It's too hard to really nitpick that particular plot hole cause they dont give us much, and really it was supposed to be a Wolverine movie. I still say it was something they didn't think fully through, but can't really prove it.

 

[Suirou]

He doesn't. He already tried to help Jason and "failed". Stryker's wife is dead and now he is experimenting on mutants so he can eventually wipe them out.

My point is that in X-1~ Xavier told Wolve that Scott and several others (making reference to Jean and Storm) were his first students.

then in X-2~ Stryker then was telling Xavier that he sent Jason to Xavier's school in hopes of curing him, regarding mutation as a disease that must be cured. But Xavier had no interest or belief in 'curing' mutants. And then there was a part when Jason tortured his parents by planting illusions in their brains until his mother committed suicide by drilling into her own brain in order to bore the images out.


Now here's my point
In Origins: Xavier had showed up near the end, getting Scott and the others to school. As we know, Scott had never went to Xavier's school before that. So if Scott was one of the first students, obviously Jason should be too but no, he's frozen in a freakin' tube.

 

[Ipodman]

We are going to see the deleted scene of Young storm at the 'capfire/forest'. I know she was age zapped and everything, but is that a plot hole?

 

[storyteller]

Okay here is one way how the Jason thing goes.

Prof X and Magneto establish a school.
They get a few students. This group does not include Scott. We may simply never meet the others since the others may not have wanted to be X-men or like Beast were X-men but left.
Stryker takes his son to the school to be helped. Jason didnt just manifest, he became insane. This is really what Stryker had issue with.
He takes Jason home and Jason gets the mom to kill herself and of course mentally damages Stryker.
He puts Jason on ice for the time being
Stryker speeds up his plan to create the deadpool(killing off the team) and eventually discovers Scott.
Xavier most likely having a cerebro machine finds Scott but Scott has been captured. He then goes after scott who has been taken to the island.
Meanwhile Wolverine is doing his thing.
Xavier gets to the island while Wolverine fights deadpool and used his powers to guide the mutants out. He simply does this my reading the minds of the workers(or hell uses the advanced tech he seems to have)


So long story Short
In this continuity Scott is not the first X-man but is one of the earliest. The school though was established before scott came. So Scott never meets Jason. Jason given his condition in X-2 looks like a drug addict. Thus looks pretty old(and if the issue is age, well simple stryker uniced him).

 

[sabetoonth]

as for the jason being same age, if anything he looked older, so even put on ice he would still out age, if not equal age scott.

 

[Minus Shock]

I really have to say that I think we are putting more thought into filling the hole than the writers/director did.

 

[sabetoonth]

thats why theres a hole!

 

[Minus Shock]

*Palm to forehead* Im an idiot. That was like a Yogi Berra level comment on my behalf lol.

 

[Suirou]

as for the jason being same age, if anything he looked older, so even put on ice he would still out age, if not equal age scott.

But it's weird how Scott looked as if he aged only 10 years while Jason looked like he aged 30 years faster despite being put in ice.
I guess that's what a lobotomy does to ya.

 

[S. Grundy]

We are going to see the deleted scene of Young storm at the 'capfire/forest'. I know she was age zapped and everything, but is that a plot hole?

Well, given the timeline established if Wolverine and Creed's mission with Styrker was their first and only one (they did such a ****** job establishing how long they've been with the team) it would have had to have taken place between 1970-'75, so Storm would be in her 30s in the other movies, though the movies are set in a sort of vague 'not too distant future'.

As for Jason Styrker's age, experimentation and stress could have taken its toll.

 

[Minus Shock]

Its weird to me. I mean they make Wolverine the center of attention in the other movies because he is the biggest draw or whatever. Then he finally gets his own movie and they have to throw in characters that shouldn't be there in the first place. I mean sure I wanted more Cyclops in singers movies, but not when he shouldn't be there. Why didn't they use Alpha Flight and stuff like that? I really don't get it.

 

[Suirou]

Its weird to me. I mean they make Wolverine the center of attention in the other movies because he is the biggest draw or whatever. Then he finally gets his own movie and they have to throw in characters that shouldn't be there in the first place. I mean sure I wanted more Cyclops in singers movies, but not when he shouldn't be there. Why didn't they use Alpha Flight and stuff like that? I really don't get it.

You noticed that too?
As much I don't mind Wolverine but all X-Men movies revolve around him and now he has his own movie? But whatever.

 

[Minus Shock]

They should have made Weapon X apart of the same organization behind Alpha Flight. Could have had Sabes there too. I mean would the general public have been so pissed off that Gambit wasn't in a Wolverine movie? If they are then they are ******ed. And they certainly couldn't have been happy with the treatment he got in XMOW. I mean that is the entire reason he was never used in the first three movies, because they couldn't give him a big enough role and didn't want to do to him what they did in XMOW. They really made Wolverine a puppy dog in this movie. I mean all he wants to do is walk away from the fight. And that kinda takes away from the first three movies for me. I felt especially X2 was about him changing from the Animal to the man, but in XMOW there is no animal. Wolverine is some reference to a poem? C'mon.

 

[Kanon]

I have seen Terminator Salvation, Transformers 2 and HP Half Blood Prince, and I can safely say that, with its problems, I take Wolverine's storytelling any day of the week, over those...

 

[danoyse]

Transformers 2 had storytelling??

 

[Minus Shock]

Transformers 2 had storytelling??

They're action flicks, you have to lighten up, suspend your disbelief, enjoy them for what they are, turn your brain off to enjoy them, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

 

[danoyse]

They're action flicks, you have to lighten up, suspend your disbelief, enjoy them for what they are, turn your brain off to enjoy them, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

I realize that. In fact, I look forward to that. And while the action scenes in Transformers 2 were a lot of fun - everything else about it was inexcusably bad.

The first movie was fun. This movie was like something written by a group of obnoxious 12-year-old boys on a sugar high.

 

[Minus Shock]

I realize that. In fact, I look forward to that. And while the action scenes in Transformers 2 were a lot of fun - everything else about it was inexcusably bad.

The first movie was fun. This movie was like something written by a group of obnoxious 12-year-old boys on a sugar high.

Sir I was totally being sarcastic. For me it's hard to even think about the action scenes of Transformers 2 because of how bad everything else was, and considering a vast majority of the action felt recycled from the first movie, or a number of other Bay movies.

 

[danoyse]

Sir I was totally being sarcastic. For me it's hard to even think about the action scenes of Transformers 2 because of how bad everything else was, and considering a vast majority of the action felt recycled from the first movie, or a number of other Bay movies.

Ahem...I'm not a sir.

I loved the first Transformers, and I was looking forward to the second. Unfortunately it turned out pretty bad. I can turn logic off and enjoy a summer action flick, but my patience only goes so far.

 

[Minus Shock]

Ahem...I'm not a sir.

I loved the first Transformers, and I was looking forward to the second. Unfortunately it turned out pretty bad. I can turn logic off and enjoy a summer action flick, but my patience only goes so far.

My bad. Sirsette.

I can't turn logic off and such. I mean i apply the logic that the movie creates to itself though. Thats part of my suspending disbelief. But when you contradict yourself, then I get really analytical.

 

[BMM]

I prefer Half Blood Prince. Even though the movie doesn’t push things far enough, and is a bit like filler, Half Blood Prince feels more like a movie rather than a formula to make a quick buck.