Listen, I never said it WAS NOLAN'S take, I NEVER said it was MY TAKE EITHER. I made manips using the lower half of the face. I did not feel like re hashing ever other picture that everyone else has done. Am I knocking what they did? NO! I am however trying to present something different for a discussion. If people don't like it, fine! I really don't care. I am not to wild about it myself, but I posted the orignal to show people that were commenting on my manips on what I pulled it from. If anyone wants to make a stupid argument about it, PM me. Don't waste the boards for this crap. This constant bickering is rediculous. Anyone who has read any statements I have made in the past about the Joker knows this isn't my version of what I think he should be and also that I don't think Nolan would ever ever EVER go for this. Anything else on this crap can be directed to my PM because I am not going to waste anymore time to this and other boards on anything other than the topic at hand