The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Predicting Critic Response To TASM2

[AF3619]

Makes you wonder, if even critics themselves praise their chemistry the most in that film, how would they critique a film when there won't be that chemistry(when Emma Stone won't be around as Gwen Stacy anymore).

makes me wonder if they make the right desition to cut out MJ , because they get the chance to build up the relationship before the possible *snap

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Ah ok!

Just out of curiosity, do you know which guy I thought you meant? I just wonder if I'm alone in thinking that dude is really annoying!

I'm thinking maybe Greg Miller?

I liked IGN for their game reviews too. Only a few times have I disagreed with them. But movie reviews from them are a mixed bag, unless it's Jim.

 

[Oscorp]

I'm thinking maybe Greg Miller?

I liked IGN for their game reviews too. Only a few times have I disagreed with them. But movie reviews from them are a mixed bag, unless it's Jim.

Yeah, that's him! I can't stand that guy!

 

[ETGuy]

No Jim Vejvoda, one of their movie critics.

You guys do know that IGN has multiple movie critics right? So the same guy who liked GR: SoV isn't the same guy who disliked TASM.

Actually, he is. :P

Scott Collura:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/06/27/the-amazing-spider-man-movie-review

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/02/17/ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-review

 

[UltimateWebhead]

makes me wonder if they make the right desition to cut out MJ , because they get the chance to build up the relationship before the possible *snap

They don't need to establish a 'build-up' for MJ to have chemistry between her and Peter. It's all about finding the right actress. Gwen had instant chemistry with Peter in ASM within their first moments of dialogue. It makes me think though with news of a possible removal of MJ from ASM2 that we won't see a Gwen demise until the 3rd movie.

I'm thinking maybe Greg Miller?

I liked IGN for their game reviews too. Only a few times have I disagreed with them. But movie reviews from them are a mixed bag, unless it's Jim.

I dislike Greg Miller. There aren't many reviewers at IGN that I think are worth a salt anyway...I just use the site for news about upcoming games and the like.

 

[Green Goblin]

I like how he gave TASM a 6 but it has a 81% RT Score (user)

 

[UltimateWebhead]

^ huh? A reviewer has to score a movie based on the user poll?

 

[flower]

They were the best thing in the film. It was the relationship between the two that made the film stand out against the other CBM's.
It also gives me hope that we will get the definitive SM film soon.

for me, what makes this movie stand out from other CBM's is that it's the most emotional

 

[JOE]

Have you been on the TDKR boards lately or no?

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=452879

It's definitely not "household bias". As you said, the TDKR part of the forum still covers a lot of the hate that the film does receive.

I wonder if that was posted in TDK forum would the outcome be the same?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Most likely, yes. I see the same amount of people showing up in all three areas(BB, TDK and TDKR).

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Actually, he is. :P

Scott Collura:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/06/27/the-amazing-spider-man-movie-review

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/02/17/ghost-rider-spirit-of-vengeance-review

Well I'll be damned.

Oh well, I still like IGN. Yes, they screw up sometimes but I still them. lol

 

[JOE]

I see, I was always under the impression that TDK was always the more critically acclaimed movie of the trilogy.

 

[Green Goblin]

Despite the stick it gets, TDKR is considered the 2nd best in the Nolan Trilogy

 

[JOE]

According to the poll? Or opinion stated as fact?

 

[Green Goblin]

According to the poll? Or opinion stated as fact?

The RT User score is greater than begins and there was a poll on a batman thread here that said that TDKR was the second best. Now I disagree and while I still like TDKR I don't think it was in league with the first two but unfortunately for me that's the way it is...

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Despite the stick it gets, TDKR is considered the 2nd best in the Nolan Trilogy

I do as well.

TDKR undoubtedly has problems and dumb moments, but there are things in that movie that are truly extraordinary and they make you sorta forget the problems.

 

[JOE]

I see both your points, but I'll still have to disagree. Begins and TDK were just on different levels. TDKR had way too much to live up to and I think it showed how it felt some of the pressure.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

That's why my expectations weren't unreasonably high. This is why trilogies struggle. There seems to be some unwritten law that states that movies have to be better than their predecessor. So when you have any absolutely amazing film like Spider-Man 2, X2, or TDK, then the 3rd film has to somehow be even better than that. Writers struggle to make the 3rd better and they end up shooting themselves in the foot. Fortunately TDKR didn't suffer the same fate that X3 or SM3 had. I didn't go into TDKR thinking it'd be better than TDK, I just wanted another film that fit the trilogy and was comparable to the others. In my humble opinion, that's exactly what got.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I see, I was always under the impression that TDK was always the more critically acclaimed movie of the trilogy.

Then you should be under the impression that TDKR is the second most critically film of the trilogy. You mentioned how BB and TDK are on their own level, but if you're under the impression TDK is the most critically acclaimed film of the trilogy, don't be biased enough to not realize that it's TDK > TDKR > BB to many and many of critics, fans, general audience(although to the GA, TDK and TDKR are somewhat equal to them), et cetera.

But, I'll bite...what do you have to show that TDKR is the worst of the trilogy besides just your opinion?

 

[The Infernal]

I dislike Greg Miller. There aren't many reviewers at IGN that I think are worth a salt anyway...I just use the site for news about upcoming games and the like.

I try not to jump on the hate bandwagon and I do go to IGN for news and the occasional reviews, but I'm not fond of Greg Miller. I don't hate the guy, I just can't stand Up at Noon because he is not a talented presenter/host. Plus watching that show is like watching a homemade and terribly scripted knock off of your favourite show.

There have been things that IGN have done over the years that annoy me now and then, but nothing that really makes me question going to their site for news and such. IGN's Moriarty though, that guy annoys me.

 

[JOE]

But, I'll bite...what do you have to show that TDKR is the worst of the trilogy besides just your opinion?

I don't have to prove myself or justify why I think 2 movies are better than the last. But briefly:

Bane's death was terrible. Very anti-climactic. Nothing compared to the Joker's last scene... I even preferred Liam's last train scene over it. He was blown to bits and I remember being like, "Oh... Well that was quick. He's gone I guess."

Bane's voice was terrible. Didn't sound menacing, sounded funny to be honest. Like someone was squeezing his you know what while he was talking. Sorry, just what I think.

The last fight scene with Bane, where everyone is going at it on the stairs. Incredibly cheesy how the leaders of each fight with each other and ignore everything and everyone around them like there aren't 50 other people duking it out. Just a huge cliche.

Catwoman's costume was terrible. Didn't like Bane's either. Had a lot more potential than it was used for, especially with the mask.

Pacing issues throughout the movie. Annoying shots of Batman looking over the city way too often, felt overused. JGL figuring out Bruce's identity way too coincidentally for progression of the story, felt forced.

The fact that the bomb detonated in the exact timeline of what it took Bruce to train, heal, defeat Bane, fly out real quick, ditch the Bat with the auto pilot on so it was a safe enough distance then have it explode. Gotham is safe.


Those are just some of my gripes with the movie. Please don't respond with why I'm wrong. This is my opinion and I'm sure there are people that agree with some things listed. BB and TDK had their issues, no movie is perfect, but a lot more things stuck out in TDKR and were criticized a lot more heavily. Not to mention I hated the title. Cheesy, IMO.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Okay, so it's just your opinion. So...that doesn't say anything about how TDKR isn't the second most critically acclaimed film of the trilogy.

A death, a voice, a costume, a fight scene, the pacing, the bomb's ending....all things that others could have actually not minded, and most didn't. Being Nolan's second CBM and only the fourth overall CBM to be acknowledged by AFI....that will always tell me how people did appreciate the film. It's a standard in American filmmaking when it comes to the superhero genre. The Avengers certainly didn't do anything, imo(Iron Man ftw ).

 

[Doc Ock]

Oh well, I still like IGN. Yes, they screw up sometimes but I still them. lol

You cant spell ignorant without IGN.

 

[JOE]

A death, a voice, a costume, a fight scene, the pacing, the bomb's ending....all things that others could have actually not minded, and most didn't.

You're belittling something that shouldn't be.


It's not just a death, it's the death of the main villain. Bane. Who happens to be one of Batman's iconic villains for breaking his back. To have him go out like that was a complete waste.

It's not just a voice, it's the voice of your main villain who's supposed to be terrifying. Really sells the character short when you're trying to portray one of Batman's superior foes when it comes to physicality and he sounds like a Tellytubby.

It's not just a costume, it's Catwoman's costume who plays a big role in the movie. Looked cartoony, cheap, and rushed. Although I didn't mind the latex on Anne.

It's not just a fight scene, it's the ultimate showdown of the movie. Arguably the climax, if not then close to. (For people arguing the bomb detonating was) It's the moment when our Dark Knight actually rises and takes Bane on, face to face with everything on the table.

It's not just the pacing, this is the entire layout of the movie. How the movie flows which plays a direct role with how one enjoys said movie. If the pacing is off, everything is off. (Major reason for me not liking MOS)

It's not just the bomb's ending, it's the ending to an entire franchise. A legacy of Nolan. To me it seemed rushed and way too convenient and Saturday morning cartoonish. 5 months till it blows, great, he'll be ready in just enough time to save the day.



Anything sounds minor when you say it the way you did, Anno.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I'm not belittling anything. You're saying that you were under the impression that TDK is the most critically acclaimed film of the trilogy, and that's true, but you're being biased at your own opinion now to not see that TDKR is the second most critically acclaimed film of the trilogy. Someone mentioned that and you're saying it's only because of a poll or of one's opinion, and that's not true. TDKR is looked highly of the trilogy while BB is mostly looked as the weakest while it's of your opinion that TDKR is the weakest.