Comics Question about Iceman

[Colossal Spoons]

I love a good sciencegasm as much as the next nerd but we're dangerously close to trying to make comic science obey real life science rules. Some comic events just don't/can't make sense no matter how scientifically you try to explain them; especially a lot of the elemental and cosmic stuff.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

And so the question is raised: Is Iceman capable of separating the O's from H2O, and combining them into O2's?

Well he can convery every molecule in his body to H20 and thus every atom into H's and O's.... and then back again at will. Therefore he is subconsciously creating subatomic nuclear fusion+fission.... in theory If he became able to control this he could convery his icesculptures into any other materials he wanted.
Also its not like he controls "Cold". Cold is just the abscence of heat energy... so he can really control heat energy and thus the vibrations of all of the atoms.

....you can start to see how this, combined with the fact Iceman can live fine without even having a body indicate that he could truly become all powerful.

That said... Galactus IS a cosmic being... more of an elemental force than a physical being in itself.

Sure at full power Iceman could have the powers of a god... but Galactus is actually a part of the universe's very existence. its possible one can't even survive without the other. We're talking about a being that can talk to Eternity itself as an equal. Iceman would be owned.

 

[Aptman]

Hmm, I think I need a more concise explanation of his power (Galactus) because rogue planets can travel throughout space starless yet mintain heating through radioactive decay, but that heat only has a half life of 4.5 billion years. So this just brings another debate on cold versus heat. I beleive that if heat were stronger the entire universe would be a star. But it's not, no matter how big Stars are, there is still immeasurable distances between them. COLD!!!!! Heat is energy, and so is cosmic power. I dunno, It still seems like a really good fight if they explored Bobby's power in depth. There is so much we don't know about the universe.

Cold vs. Heat... Like Mightiest Mortal and I have both already said, space is a void. It's "cold" because there is nothing there... no heat. That's it. There isn't a "cold" that over powers "heat". You need to rethink how you preceive Iceman's ability.

 

[Manic]

You also have to take into account that Iceman's power isn't to control temperatures. It's to control water. By creating ice, Iceman is specifically dropping the temperature of all nearby air moisture. He's removing the energy from water molecules, which causes them to freeze. He also happens to have the ability to turn his own body into ice, and combine his body with other moisture sources. Iceman would be powerless in the Sahara. In the depths of space, Iceman might be able control the ice and moisture on other planets, but he'd be powerless in the void. And since Galactus skips over icy planets in favor of ones he can actually consume, Iceman would find himself sitting on Neptune, watching helplessly as Galactus passes by.

 

[ObakeTora]

good analogy! That really has me thinking! So Galactus doesnt eat ice worlds? Hmmm. one other thing, I'm curious about. Do you think he's just limited to dropping the temp of water? What if, (now just a what if mind you) his power was actually to slow down molecules? If thats true, he would actually be a God in the Sahara, heat is simply fast moving molecules which Bobby I beleive could control. Hope Im not getting on anyone's nerves with this thread......

 

[ProfeZZor X]

You also have to take into account that Iceman's power isn't to control temperatures. It's to control water. By creating ice, Iceman is specifically dropping the temperature of all nearby air moisture. He's removing the energy from water molecules, which causes them to freeze. He also happens to have the ability to turn his own body into ice, and combine his body with other moisture sources. Iceman would be powerless in the Sahara. In the depths of space, Iceman might be able control the ice and moisture on other planets, but he'd be powerless in the void. And since Galactus skips over icy planets in favor of ones he can actually consume, Iceman would find himself sitting on Neptune, watching helplessly as Galactus passes by.

Not so fast there... Your body, earth's atmosphere, plants and animals, the surface of this planet - is pretty much made up of water. Given the fact that Earth has a molten core made of iron and rock, water did not derrive from these elements when the earth's planetary materials coalesced. Our water came from another source... space. It's also known that a large share of coments in space are made of ice, which has been theorized that it's how Earth got it's water source - through thousands of years of being bombarded by these icy meteors.

So, whether or not Iceman chose to remain on an icy planet or travel through the frozen reaches of space, he has the advantage of occupying both. Especially the advantage of having infinite cold in space itself... So to rebute your claim of Iceman being helpless, I beg to differ.

 

[Halcohol]

There's a picture of Iceman from the '60s comics. He's thrown into space and then has to use the last of the moisture from his body to create a shield around himself. I'll see if I can find it.

I took that, along with other descriptions of Iceman's power from the novels, to mean that he has the power to slow the vibrations of atoms (heat). Since he usually uses his powers within Earth's atmosphere, he draws on the moisture in the air and chills it, causing ice to form.

If there were no water around, he'd be screwed, no matter how awesome it would be to see him become a planet.