Transformers Question about TF's Screenwriters

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TF is being written by Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci. These guys wrote:

- Mission Impossible III
- The Legend of Zorro
- The Island

(and that's it AFAIK).

I must admit, I haven't seen ANY of those movies. What are people's opinions about those movies. How do the sequels they worked on (MI3 and Legend of Zorro) compare to the originals written by other people.
In other words, are these guys any good?
 
I thought Mi-III was the best of the bunch
Haven;t seen Legend of Zorro(i own it:O ) but heard it wasn't as good as the first
The Island was underrated IMO and a solid piece of Sci-Fi

They have also wrote on Alias and LOST,the latter in particular has some great writing IMO
 
M:I3 had a very good story....definitely better than the first 2.
Legend of Zorro wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be. i found it entertaining. it's not like Legend of Zorro turned into Spy Kids or anything...

...and i have to agree with hunter rider about the Island. i think it's underrated. i don't understand everyone's contempt for the film but that's just me.
 
Ok, Legend of Zorro I don't think was the writers' fault, that came down to bad editing, bad scoring, and horrid acting. It could've been a lot better.

MI:3 was very good. I liked it a little less than the 1st one and a lot more then the 2nd one. It stuck to the formula, and it worked.

The Island was really good in my opinion. Again, it seemed like the only problems it had was with certain acting choices and editing, but the script seemed solid.

Overall, I have faith in these writers based on the work they've done.
 
ComicKoryn said:
The Island was really good in my opinion. Again, it seemed like the only problems it had was with certain acting choices and editing, but the script seemed solid.
good observation...i'll admit the Island totally had it's faults, but the script isn't one of them (aside from Ewan and Scarlett surviving that fall by hanging onto the sign, hehe).
 
hunter rider said:
The Island was underrated IMO and a solid piece of Sci-Fi

Armageddon sci-fi or Spielberg's AI sci-fi?
 
CFlash said:
Armageddon sci-fi or Spielberg's AI sci-fi?
Neither really,i'd say it was closer in influence to Logans Run,Minority Report and THX1138
 
hunter rider said:
Neither really,i'd say it was closer in influence to Logans Run,Minority Report and THX1138

I didn't mean in terms of plot. I meant more in terms of quality or depth.
 
CFlash said:
I didn't mean in terms of plot. I meant more in terms of quality or depth.

Quality wise i thought it was better than both the 2 you mentioned
Depth is there in the first half but like AI loses it's way a bit in the second half when a conclusion is needed
 
yeah, the Island loses brownie points for unbelievablity in the second act.

Oh, and I totally agree with you DorkyFresh, that falling sign scene was waaaaaaaaayyyyy to big of a stretch.
 
ComicKoryn said:
yeah, the Island loses brownie points for unbelievablity in the second act.

Oh, and I totally agree with you DorkyFresh, that falling sign scene was waaaaaaaaayyyyy to big of a stretch.

Haven't seen the movie...... but, it's stuff like that that can completely ruin an entire movie for me.
 
CFlash said:
Haven't seen the movie...... but, it's stuff like that that can completely ruin an entire movie for me.

Oh well,it never bothered me in Raiders of The Lost Ark
 
hunter rider said:
Oh well,it never bothered me in Raiders of The Lost Ark

Well, movies like Raiders and Pirates of the Carib are totally different creatures from the "realistic" sort of movie that The Island looks like it's suppossed to be.
 
CFlash said:
Well, movies like Raiders and Pirates of the Carib are totally different creatures from the "realistic" sort of movie that The Island looks like it's suppossed to be.

There in the action genre so i always expect some slightly reality dodging acts from the lead hero,i mean look at the Bourne movies despite their pretension to realism ?
In TF this is unlikely to be an issue though given the giant Robots
 
yeah giant robots do tend to put a kink in the whole realism thing
 
I wonder if they ever watched any Transformers Cartoons or read any comics?

If they are fans of Transformers and can respect where all this came from, I think it would ease my mind more than what movies they have wrote for or etc.
 
Chase023 said:
I wonder if they ever watched any Transformers Cartoons or read any comics?

If they are fans of Transformers and can respect where all this came from, I think it would ease my mind more than what movies they have wrote for or etc.
Roberto Orci is in fact a fan of the old cartoon and toys. He's not like a huge TF-Nerd, but he grew up loving the cartoon. So to a point, yeah he likes the original stuff. He's even made comments about how he loved the old show several times.
 
WalkingDead said:
Roberto Orci is in fact a fan of the old cartoon and toys. He's not like a huge TF-Nerd, but he grew up loving the cartoon. So to a point, yeah he likes the original stuff. He's even made comments about how he loved the old show several times.

Judging by what some of you "fans" consider 'canon,' that doesn't mean very much. In fact, it means zilch.
 
CFlash said:
Judging by what some of you "fans" consider 'canon,' that doesn't mean very much. In fact, it means zilch.

So only versions you deem to be canon count ?
 
hunter rider said:
So only versions you deem to be canon count ?

Dude, to me, Transformers only existed between 1983 (yes, before Hasbro + Marvel came up with a story) and 1987 (the year I--- and pretty much an entire generation of people---- stopped caring).

That doesn't mean I want to see a corny remake of the original story. It DOES mean that I think "The Quest For The Energon Cube" is a ******ed story and eons DUMBER than the original (intelligent and topical) story.
 
CFlash said:
Dude, to me, Transformers only existsed between 1983 (yes, before Hasbro + Marvel came up with a story) and 1987 (the year I--- and pretty much an entire generation of people---- stopped caring).

That doesn't mean I want to see a corny remake of the original story. It DOES mean that I think "The Quest For The Energon Cube" is a ******ed story and eons DUMBER than the original (intelligent and topical) story.

All the versions that followed are still canon and fans of those versions are still fans,you make it sound like if they aren't Gen 1 then they aren't fans and don't count
 
hunter rider said:
All the versions that followed are still canon and fans of those versions are still fans,you make it sound like if they aren't Gen 1 then they aren't fans and don't count

Of course they count.

But--- (to me!)-- the heart of Transformers was never again duplicated. Judging from the lackluster popularity, compared to the PHENOM that the original was, I'm not the only one that thinks so.

It just so happens that a lot of us stopped caring. But none of us forgot.
 
CFlash said:
Judging by what some of you "fans" consider 'canon,' that doesn't mean very much. In fact, it means zilch.
You "fans"???
WTF?
Okay, where do you come off with something like that?

Myself, being a huge fan of Transformers...G1/G2 & BW are the best and will always be the best. Nothing will ever top those storylines, not by a long shot. I don't think anyone will ever say different. Also, I'm only a fan of the newer TF toylines, I don't care about nor watch the shows, and the comics have been hit or miss with the new stuff. Only the good and better toys keep my interest, cause I love Transformers toys.

And if you must know...this is how most big Transfans breakdown TF Story Cannon:
A. -- G1 US Cartoon
B. -- G1/G2 Marvel US Comics
C. -- G1 Marvel UK Comics
D. -- G1 Japanese Cartoon
E. -- G1 Japanese Manga
F. -- G1 Dreamwave Comics

A. & B. -- BW ties in with several points from the G1 Cartoon, but draws a lot more from the US Comics, including the Vok who were once the Swarm that decimated the TF's in the G2 Comics. BM - direct sequel to BW, so it too ties back to G1/G2.

From there on out, it becomes stories of Alternate Universes (a.k.a. Retellings of the Transformers Mythos).
G. RID
H. Armadaverse Cartoons (Armada, Energon, & Cybertron)
I. Armadaverse Comics

**NOTE - I left out the BotCon Exclusive stories, the Wreckers, and various One-Shot comics. I've also left out the IDW Comics...those are also brand new stories.

My Point in listing out all this continuities and stories is to show you, how many times G1 itself has been redone, over and over and over.



Dude, to me, Transformers only existed between 1983 (yes, before Hasbro + Marvel came up with a story) and 1987 (the year I--- and pretty much an entire generation of people---- stopped caring).

That doesn't mean I want to see a corny remake of the original story. It DOES mean that I think "The Quest For The Energon Cube" is a ******ed story and eons DUMBER than the original (intelligent and topical) story.

And btw, technically G1 didn't end until 1989. And in 1990 G2 came out and ran until 1993 (go by the toys, then 1995). Then in 1996 Beast Wars came out and re-connected with G1. And BW's sequel Beast Machines connected as well with the whole western Transformers story.

G1/G2 was the original storyline.
BW/BM technically is now a part of that. So by technical standings the original Transformers didn't end until around 1998. Though many will say they don't want to admit Beast Machines really happened, but still.

Also, Quest for the Energon Cube (a form/new interpretation of the Creation Matrix), is something that ties in greatly with the G1 comics continuity. 1/3rd of the entire G1 comics focused on the Matrix of Leadership or the Creation Matrix (as it was first called before it was put into a tangible object). So just cause it's called The Energon Cube (stupid name, yes I know) doesn't mean there isn't a storyline or multiple storylines that are being used as references.
 
WalkingDead said:
Also, Quest for the Energon Cube (a form/new interpretation of the Creation Matrix), is something that ties in greatly with the G1 comics continuity. 1/3rd of the entire G1 comics focused on the Matrix of Leadership or the Creation Matrix (as it was first called before it was put into a tangible object). So just cause it's called The Energon Cube (stupid name, yes I know) doesn't mean there isn't a storyline or multiple storylines that are being used as references.

The Creation Matrix was simply a plot device used to introduce new characters. The overarching storyline was syphoning of Earth's natural resources and the prevention of the Decepticons forming the Space Bridge.

I don't remember Transformers being anything like "The Dark Crystal.".... but I do know the mysticism Gods and Demons :rolleyes: offworld "Matrix Quest" played a part years later. I actually preferred those plots stayed were they original were... in my beloved Masters of The Universe cartoons.
 

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