Rank the divisive SH movies: ASM, SR, Hulk, IM2, SM3, X3, Watchmen

[Sawyer]

Well based on how vocal criticism is in geek circles then I would say TDKR should be on here as well. I've heard just as much attcks on it as I've heard on IM2 or TASM. everything that has ever existed, right down to the oxygen we breathe, should be on the list.

 

[kedrell]

Go ahead and be oblivious then. But there have been plenty of attacks on it. They even have a popular thread in the Bat forums addressing all the negativity.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm not being oblivious. I know what certain people have to say about it and I know that it's hardly perfect (though still better than the ones listed in this thread), but the tendency to ***** about anything and everything in these parts does take the sting out a bit.

 

[kedrell]

Personally I'd rank it firmly in the middle of the pack here.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I didn't even think of TDKR as divisive.

It does have a fair share of detractors.

But I don't think it's as ever-present as the attacks on the included movies.

I'd say every time one of the included movies are mentioned on a website there's a steady stream of attacks and insults against the films. That doesn't happen with TDKR as much.

 

[The Joker]

I think as time goes on TDKR will become as divisive as these. I see more criticisms toward it every day.

 

[747]

Watchmen is the only one of these that I like.

Oh and TDKR is amazing.

 

[hammerhedd11]

1. Watchmen
2. Hulk
3. Superman Returns
4. Spider-Man 3
5. X-Men 3
6. Iron Man 2
7. Amazing Spider-Man

 

[flickchick85]

The only one of these movies I actually loved was TASM. I generally agree with the main criticisms and negative perceptions of the others.

My ranking:

1.) The Amazing Spider-Man (8.5/10)
2.) Hulk (6.5/10)
3.) Iron Man 2 (6/10)
4.) Watchmen (6/10)
5.) Superman Returns (5.5/10)
6.) Spider-Man 3 (5/10)
7.) X-Men 3 (4.5/10)

I do believe TDKR might belong here too, but I loved it, and it would go right behind TASM at the top of my list.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Watchmen
HULK
Iron Man 2
The Amazing Spiderman
Spiderman 3
X3
Superman Returns

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Iron Man 2 (8/10)
Amazing Spider-Man (7.5/10)
Spider-Man 3 (7/10)
Hulk (7/10)
X-Men:The Last Stand (5/10)
Watchmen - Hate
Superman Returns - Don't hate, but boring as crap lol.

 

[Quasimod0]

Iron Man 2
Amazing Spider-man
Spider-man 3
X3
Watchmen
Superman returns
Hulk

 

[ChukNoris]

1) Watchmen (9)
2). X3 (7.5) I actually enjoyed this movie
3). Spider-Man 3 (7) Again, why all the hate?
4). Hulk (7)
5). Iron Man 2 (7)
6). TASM (6) BORING remake of Spider-Man; why all the love?

 

[DDS]

1. Watchmen
2. Iron Man 2
3. TSM
4. Hulk
5. X3
6. Superman Returns
7. Spider-Man 3

The top 3 may have flaws, but I would still consider them at least entertaining, and I still think Watchmen is a pretty damn good movie.

Watchmen is a movie I also cut some slack because I would say that some of the story just wouldn't ever work in a 2-3 hour time frame. Synder and crew NAILED the art direction/sets and aesthetics of the graphic novel in my opinion, even if the final execution of the overall product was definitely not perfect. It also had some great performances from Jackie Earle Haley, Patrick Wilson, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, and Billy Crudup to boot (although there were definitely weaker performances too). In a perfect world, Watchmen would have been a miniseries adaption akin to A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, so each plot point could be fleshed out better than it ever could possibly be in a theatrical adaption.

4-6 I would consider to...not be quite the disasters others would have them out to be...but definitely not very good either. All of them were just kind of mediocre, but had at least one especially stupid scene or plot point in them. Hulk had the stupid dogs and the over done "daddy" suplot, X3 killed off Prof. X and Cyclops in a frustrating fashion and had way too many characters and other **** cluttering the story, while Superman Returns...ok, I honestly don't remember anything about it other than the dumb Superbastard kid throwing a piano and this:

Spoiler

And as for Spider-Man 3...everything about it has already been said.

 

[Maudib]

1. Iron Man 2



2. The Amazing Spider-Man











3. Watchmen
4. X3
5. SR
6. SM3



















7. Hulk

 

[Gianakin_]

Nice thread:

1.TASM
2.Hulk
3.Watchmen
4.SM3
5.SR
6.IM2
7.X3

The top 3 gave me a very hard time. I had more fun with TASM, Watchmen is admirably reverend (despite missing the deeper points of the GN) and Hulk, although extremely boring and disappointing, is a piece of art. Consider the top3 movies interchangeable.

 

[terry78]

With Watchmen though the thing is what would have been the lesser of two evils for Snyder to do, making a panel by panel recreation which was faithful or taking some liberties and doing his own thing as most directors do with comic adaptations? Either way he would have gotten it wrong in some fan's eyes.

 

[Gianakin_]

I think Snyder missed some in-panel subtextual stuff that was going on. He got the overall panels right, but he missed underlying themes that were being conveyed. But I can't hold it against him. Moore and Grant Morrison are extremely difficult to fully adapt to another medium.

 

[antonydelfini]

TASM 8.5/10
Watchmen 8.5/10
Superman Returns 7/10
Iron Man 2 6.5/10
Hulk 6.5/10
X3 6/10
Spider-Man 3 5.5/10

 

[DACrowe]

1. Watchmen - Overly long and almost too slavishly faithful (some would even argue so because Snyder "didn't get it"), but the moments that work are truly unforgettable. The use of Phillip Glass as Doctor Manhattan recounts his origin is almost as stunning as the opening credits...a wholly Snyder-concocted sequence that is liberated from stark fidelity to the book or from narrative structure (Snyder's two enemies) and instead is a series of amazing visuals brought to life by the words of Bob Dylan. (8.5/10)

2. Hulk - A highly uneven and confused film that suffers from distracting editing and a mistaken screenwriter. However, it too has moments of lucid clarity like when Betty breaks through to Bruce Banner in their several keys scenes in the second half of the movie and all of the scenes between Bruce and his father pre-bubble man ********. Not to mention the way Ang Lee visualizes the cathartic release of being the Hulk to Elfman's underrated score makes for something far more memorable than Marvel Studios's mediocre 2008 effort. (7/10)

3. Spider-Man 3 - Yes, the dance sequences are stupid. The plotting is also extremely lazy. And let's not even get into how awkward Venom's appearance in the third act feels. Yet, I'd be lying if I didn't say I had fun watching it. The visual joy Raimi brings to Spider-Man was unsurpassed by any comic book filmmaker until Whedon made The Avengers. And even Whedon cannot match the dizzying aerial craziness of Raimi. Beyond that, Raimi still cares for his characters which makes it better for me than several MCU films and much of the poorly produced genre. All the scenes between Peter and Harry work and their team-up at the end is still one of the coolest moments in a comic book movie. (6.5/10)

4. The Amazing Spider-Man - Now we're getting to the ones I cannot say many nice things about. Lizard was my favorite Spidey rogue growing up and they ****ed that up in a stunning fashion. Also, everything about the origin felt rehashed and inferior to the 2002 iteration. Still, I can say Andrew Garfield embodies the character more than Tobey Maguire (if they would only not write Peter as a tool for Garfield) and he brings a lot of missing elements to the table. Emma Stone is also excellent and makes her Gwen better than Dunst's MJ. But it doesn't save a terribly boring movie from being boring. (6/10)

5. Iron Man 2 - Yawn. RDJ is awesome. His scenes with Gwyneth Paltrow are still hilarious screwball comedy a la Howard Hawks and His Girl Friday. Everything else comes off as a lazy, jumbled mess that is just going through the motions without a real plot. It is a "see you in 2-3 years" filler installment. When RDJ will only ever likely do 3 solo IM films, that is almost criminal. (5.5/10)

6. Superman Returns - I liked Kevin Spacey's far more menacing Lex Luthor (as compared to Gene Hackman) and the plane rescue. Don't have anything else nice to say about this snoozefest. (5/10)

7. X-Men: The Last Stand - They took the best X-Men story of all time (TPS) and turned it into a B or C subplot while squeezing in as many mutants as they could and ruining Rogue's wonderful arc from the first two films and comics. X3 is that rare sequel that is so bad and fails at so many things that it actually HURTS what came before. (3/10)

My list.

 

[Thoix]

Watchmen
Iron Man 2
The Amazing Spider-man
Superman Returns
X-Men: The Last Stand
Hulk
Spider-man 3

 

[DACrowe]

I think as time goes on TDKR will become as divisive as these. I see more criticisms toward it every day.

Only in fan communities. As a film, it is very strong. Not nearly as strong as TDK and arguably weaker than BB (I go back and forth between the two, myself), however it not only went over like gangbusters with the GA (which to be fair eats up Bayformers), it also was a critical success. And at the very least, 4/5 of even the nitpicking fan community will begrudge praise to Hathaway's Catwoman and/or the ending of the movie.

I feel that it will develop more critics in fanboy circles overtime because it honestly does not stand up to daily scrutiny for years and years from fans who obsess over all the minutia. Mind you the fact that TDK could is a rare feat. Fans will throw the baby out with the bathwater when the reboot comes and claim they always hated TDKR and even Nolan's whole trilogy.

But that will be different from this thread. It is a case of fanboys moving on to the shiny new toy. Joker, I remember you hear when SM2 was out and you were Doc Ock. While we had a number of debates about that film, you can agree the vast majority of the Hype loved that movie and SM1 for that matter. Since TASM came out, the vast majority feigns ignorance to ever even liking anything once touched by Raimi. The same thing happened after Singer made SR and Vaughn made FC. They all started hating on Singer's first two X-films and praising Vaughn (that quickly stopped once Singer took over DOFP).

My point is TDKR was widely well received and will only be turned on because fanboys turn on everything. These movies were received with heavy criticism upon their release in this thread.

 

[terry78]

We are a fickle sort.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well based on how vocal criticism is in geek circles then I would say TDKR should be on here as well. I've heard just as much attcks on it as I've heard on IM2 or TASM.

That is true. But critically TDKR wasn't nearly as panned as some geeks made it out to be.

A fair number of movies on this list are similar actually. The general audience didn't hate X3, SM3, or SR nearly as much as the "nerd community" did. But TDKR was still recieved better on all ends then the films listed in this poll.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Only in fan communities. As a film, it is very strong. Not nearly as strong as TDK and arguably weaker than BB (I go back and forth between the two, myself), however it not only went over like gangbusters with the GA (which to be fair eats up Bayformers), it also was a critical success. And at the very least, 4/5 of even the nitpicking fan community will begrudge praise to Hathaway's Catwoman and/or the ending of the movie.

I feel that it will develop more critics in fanboy circles overtime because it honestly does not stand up to daily scrutiny for years and years from fans who obsess over all the minutia. Mind you the fact that TDK could is a rare feat. Fans will throw the baby out with the bathwater when the reboot comes and claim they always hated TDKR and even Nolan's whole trilogy.

But that will be different from this thread. It is a case of fanboys moving on to the shiny new toy. Joker, I remember you hear when SM2 was out and you were Doc Ock. While we had a number of debates about that film, you can agree the vast majority of the Hype loved that movie and SM1 for that matter. Since TASM came out, the vast majority feigns ignorance to ever even liking anything once touched by Raimi. The same thing happened after Singer made SR and Vaughn made FC. They all started hating on Singer's first two X-films and praising Vaughn (that quickly stopped once Singer took over DOFP).

My point is TDKR was widely well received and will only be turned on because fanboys turn on everything. These movies were received with heavy criticism upon their release in this thread.

This is very true. When I first joined the hype, wayyy back in early '05, I remember coming on here and voicing some of my issues with SM2. I promptly got flamed to holy hell and back. It was nearly sacrilege to critisize that movie. Then SM3 came out, and public opinion on the hype seemed to change overnight. Ironically, I didn't mind SM3 that much. I didn't think it was good, but because SM2 didn't deliever what I wanted to see in a spidey film, I didn't go in with high expectations for SM3. And I wasn't nearly as dissappointed.

Honestly, that's a big factor with many of these films. X3 and SM3 came after two very well recieved movies. The hype for them was huge. (Bolstered by the fact that they both had movie trailers that made the films look positively EPIC). The movies themselves came out...and they were meh. Not horrible, and not nearly close to some of the worst comic films ever as some were claiming, but in terms of comci films, they were about middle of the road quality wise.

However, since the hype was so huge, people absolutely bashed those films, because they had expectations that were ridiculously high. And their reactions were correspondingly stronger.

IM2 suffered from this to a smaller degree as well.