So a verbal threat that you're somehow sure is empty about putting the guy in a situation where there is certainty that he'll be murdered is A-OK as long as it's legal?
Yes. You're not breaking ethics or doing anything risky here. Unlike what Dent did with Schiff.
And how do we know it was an empty threat? They actually had the legal right to do that.
Gordon: "He can't go to County. I'll keep him here in the holding cells"
They never had any intention of sending him there. They knew he'd be dead if he did, but Lau didn't know they were bluffing and that's what they were counting on. It worked.
What are you talking about? I was saying that Heat and TDK are both playing it straight. Neither is doing a Burton and trying to be a live action cartoon.
I don't know why you keep comparing it to Burton. I know you said they were playing it straight, but there's nothing straight about the way Dent did it. Or do you know of many D.A.'s who did what he did?
And you're saying an obvious bluff in the alley is worse than a real threat in the police station simply because the former is illegal and the latter isn't?
No, I'm saying making a legal bluff is nothing compared to actually breaking the law and risking everything.
If at any time he was actually out of control during the alley scene then maybe you'd have a point. But he isn't. He's desperate and willing to go further than he otherwise would have, jeopardizing his career and the good that he's done in putting away criminals who would be released(which on a side note is another thing in this movie that makes utterly no sense because the legal system doesn't work that way, but I digress) but that's as far as it goes. He's willing to sacrifice for her so she can live. Not crazy or unstable at all. Illegal? Sure, but illegality isn't the basis of a shortcoming that would lead to full blown insanity.
Again you miss the point. If he is willing to ruin his career, face prison himself for kidnapping, and release 549 dangerous criminals back on the streets of Gotham just because Rachel was threatened, then imagine how far he would go if something worse happened.
Do you get it now?
The corruption is still as much on Dent's head as on Gordon's. He even counts himself among the 3 responsible parties during the end when he's flipping his coin.
Right. He blames himself as much as the others. That's why he puts the gun to his own head, too. What's your point?
But what I don't buy is that he would buy the Joke's line of BS in the hospital. What believably would have happened in that scene is that as soon as Joker handed him the gun Dent would have drilled him straight in the eye with it.
How do you know what would believably have happened in a situation where you're mind is shattered from death of a loved one and a horrid facial disfigurement? You have no friggin idea how anyone would handle something like that mentally. They could be vengeful, suicidal, have a complete mental shut down etc.
The whole chance thing becoming his mantra makes little to no sense w/o some serious mental heath breakdown to trigger it and I don't see how a guy who never lost control before suddenly will now.
His chance mantra was based on what happened to him and Rachel. 50/50 on who lived and who died. He was giving all his victims the same chance they had. He was making his victims face the same horrible situation he had.
Pretty straight forward. It's not the movie's fault you didn't see that.
It is pretty much the same because "he's lost his mind" is about the only way I've ever heard defenders try to justify it in both films.
Insanity over extreme loss and pain is unbelievable to you? You should visit an asylum or psychiatric ward some time.
The 'he's crazy therefore nothing he does needs to make sense from a standpoint of motivation' is and has always been a lazy excuse for having any character act in a way that is out of character.
But it's not out of character. That's the whole point. You already got a prelude to the extremes he'd go to just over a simple threat.
I can't speak for this Nero character because I haven't seen him, but based on your perception of these characters I'd say you're probably really dumbing him down.
Even though Dent warned Gordon, Dent KNOWS Gordon is trying to do the right thing and help him.
That's not the issue for Dent. To him it's because he warned Gordon, Gordon did nothing about it, and Dent paid the price for Gordon's lack of action. That's why he was pissed when Gordon was suddenly so concerned about knowing which men he could trust. The damage had already been done as far as Dent was concerned.
Why does it always come down to legality with you. As long as something is legal it's ok?
Because there's big difference between the situations and legality has a huge bearing on it. Nothing would happen by threatening to send Lau to County. But with what Dent did with Schiff he could go to jail on kidnapping charges, have 549 criminals unleashed back on Gotham, and probably end up dead himself in jail.
You keep comparing that to a bluff about sending Lau to County. It's a hilariously bad comparison.
No, she just looked the other way to him being kidnapped from a foreign country(very illegal) and threatens him with a situation that both she and he knows means certain death(going to county).
She looked the other way to a criminal who fled the country being brought back and facing up to the consequences of the damage he did while in Gotham. The only consequences that can come from that is Lau will sing and they'll cut off the mob's money.
Do I have to run through the really bad consequences that would happen in Dent's situation with Schiff again?
No he just delivered him to others who would do the threatening/terrorizing. But apparently in your mind it's the legality that's really important. Well, this was highly illegal.
Sigh. Again they had no intention of sending him to County. Gordon revealed that. They were never going to send him to certain death. They were pulling a bluff to get him to talk.
End of story.
Ah, I agree that his adherence to strict legal tactics is out the window but that doesn't mean diddley squat regarding the state of his mental health which seems to still be fine with him in complete control of his faculties.
Really you don't think any mental irrationality comes into play from a man who decides to abduct someone, terrorize them with a gun, face the prospect of prison time, and the release of over 500 dangerous criminals all because of a threat?
Harvey could have just told Rachel to get out of Gotham and go somewhere until it was safe. His reaction was totally over the top and a prelude to the extremes he's willing to go to just because someone he cared about was threatened. So that poses the question that if he's willing to do that just over a mere threat, then imagine what he would do if something worse happened.
2+2=4
