The Dark Knight Rises Ra's al Guhl and Thomas Wayne?

[Steampunk Ghost]

lets look back at Batman Begins. a few times throughout the movie, Ra's al Guhl hints at Bruce's father, Thomas. for example, when Bruce and Ra's are around the campfire, Ra's says "You are stronger than your father." another example, when Ra's and Bruce have that conversation while Ra's' men are burning Bruce's belongings, he talks about how the League of Shadows tried using economics as a weapon against Gotham, blah blah blah, and he says that he "underestimated certain of Gotham's citizens, such as your parents".

Do you think that there were relations between Ra's and Thomas Wayne? probably not a good relations, but do you think they knew each other? if so, i hope that Rises explains it all. does anyone else think so or notice that? what are your thoughts??

 

[Patty]

double post FTL

 

[Hyden]

I think you could pick up those meager threads and weave them in to something really wonderful, like, perhaps Ra's had/has been honing Bruce for a longer time and too a greater extent then we'd thought and so much of Bruce's crusade had been designed by Ra's (sorta like a Dr. Hurt master plan thingee) but you'd need to do it very well and drop hints before that revelation instead of just say, suddenly telling the audience another dude shot Uncle Ben.

I could see it, for sure.

But I doubt that's what we'll see.

 

[joem4077]

Bruce says, "You didn't know my father" to Ra's. Ra's replies with something to the effect of, "No (?), but I know the rage that drives you." He kinda blows off Bruce's comment which could leave it open to interpretation. I always looked at it that Ra's/LoS knew of Bruce's parents and their actions from the outside, but didn't personally know and interact with them

 

[Steampunk Ghost]

I think you could pick up those meager threads and weave them in to something really wonderful, like, perhaps Ra's had/has been honing Bruce for a longer time and too a greater extent then we'd thought and so much of Bruce's crusade had been designed by Ra's (sorta like a Dr. Hurt master plan thingee) but you'd need to do it very well and drop hints before that revelation instead of just say, suddenly telling the audience another dude shot Uncle Ben.

I could see it, for sure.

But I doubt that's what we'll see.

i can see where youre coming from. that would be pretty cool though, huh? t:

Bruce says, "You didn't know my father" to Ra's. Ra's replies with something to the effect of, "No (?), but I know the rage that drives you." He kinda blows off Bruce's comment which could leave it open to interpretation. I always looked at it that Ra's/LoS knew of Bruce's parents and their actions from the outside, but didn't personally know and interact with them

yeah that might be the real case though. i wonder what exactly Bruce's parents did to piss of Ra's so much. i think thats why Ra's took him up as an aprentice in the first place, to try to stop him from becoming like his parents. (am i stating the obvious here? lol)

 

[Victarion]

All they did was stand up for the downtrodden of Gotham. Something that Ra's never expected and likely couldn't comprehend. Perhaps he felt it was a move to gain some publicity for their corporation or something like that. Regardless I got the impression that it lessened the League's first attack on Gotham.

No need for this Sam Raimi stuff.

 

[Brain Damage]

All they did was stand up for the downtrodden of Gotham. Something that Ra's never expected and likely couldn't comprehend. Perhaps he felt it was a move to gain some publicity for their corporation or something like that. Regardless I got the impression that it lessened the League's first attack on Gotham.

No need for this Sam Raimi stuff.

What he said.
The extent of the League's relationship with Bruce's parents was dealt with in BB, just look at the scene between Ra's and Bruce after Bruce kicks everyone out of his house.

 

[iansilv]

What if Tomas Wayne treated/helped Ra's wife after she was attacked or something? What if the original destruction of Gotham was because Ras himself was a victim of crime there and found the league of shadows. He wanted to destroy Gotham and found himself opposed by the same doctor that tried to save his wife when he had his tragedy? I don't know...

 

[MrWayne]

I don't really see that happening. But also, BB made it clear that Ra's did not know the Waynes personally. It would make things a bit interesting if that did happen though.

 

[Batman jr.]

I don't really see that happening. But also, BB made it clear that Ra's did not know the Waynes personally. It would make things a bit interesting if that did happen though.

IMHO, it was never made clear that he didn't know at least Thomas personally.

 

[chamber-music]

Bruce says, "You didn't know my father" to Ra's. Ra's replies with something to the effect of, "No (?), but I know the rage that drives you." He kinda blows off Bruce's comment which could leave it open to interpretation. I always looked at it that Ra's/LoS knew of Bruce's parents and their actions from the outside, but didn't personally know and interact with them

This.

The Waynes where well known family in Gotham. It wouldn't of been out of the ordinary for Ras to of heard of them especially when the LoS was targeting Gotham as a city that needed to be destroyed.

 

[MrWayne]

Ra's did not know the Waynes personally. It wasn't uncommon for the Waynes to be known.. I mean they were one of the few Billionaires in Gotham if any.

 

[Batman jr.]

Ra's did not know the Waynes personally. It wasn't uncommon for the Waynes to be known.. I mean they were one of the few Billionaires in Gotham if any.

There's absolutely no proof of your theory.

 

[Avengers-Report]

If I remember correctly, Ras was talking about destroying Gotham with economics, but then Bruce's parents got in the way. When he talked about Bruce's parents, he seemed to have a personal grudge, like there was more there.

 

[iansilv]

There's absolutely no proof of your theory.

Hold on- He is MR. WAYNE and you are BATMAN JR....

I think he is in a little better position to know about the Wayne family, son...

t:

 

[Batman jr.]

Hold on- He is MR. WAYNE and you are BATMAN JR....

I think he is in a little better position to know about the Wayne family, son...

t:

Read socalgamin's post...

 

[Broker]

When he talked about Bruce's parents, he seemed to have a personal grudge, like there was more there.

I'm not sure what more you are searching for.

It is made clear that Ra's had a plan to destroy Gotham through economics but that Thomas Wayne's activities, such as the monorail, undermined Ra's plan and so Gotham limped onwards.

 

[Batman jr.]

I'm not sure what more you are searching for.

It is made clear that Ra's had a plan to destroy Gotham through economics but that Thomas Wayne's activities, such as the monorail, undermined Ra's plan and so Gotham limped onwards.

Well, that's exactly what he means...

 

[Broker]

Well, that's exactly what he means...

SoCalGaming describes that Ra's has tried to destroy Gotham through economics but that the Wayne's got in his way, but then goes on to say that "(Ra's) seemed to hold a grudge, like there was more there."

This struck me as curious for two reasons, firstly because the sentencing implies that there is something "more there" than the Wayne's getting in the way of Ra's economic plans. Secondly because suggesting that he "seemed" to hold a grudge implies that it is not clear.

 

[Green Day]

I do not think Ras meet Thomas but he knew of him. They mention in BB Bruce would have to go a thousand miles. "You're, uh, you're Bruce Wayne, the Prince of Gotham; you'd have to go a thousand miles to meet someone who didn't know your name."- Falcone
An example of thousands miles from Chicago (since that where it is filmed) would be like places like, Houston, Denver Plymouth, MA.
Houston
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=40...78&zoom=5&q1=Chicago,+IL&q2=Houston,+TX&trf=0

Denver
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=40.841042&lon=-96.32535&zoom=6&q1=chicago, il&q2=denver, co

Plymouth
http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=42.229915&lon=-79.15249&zoom=6&q1=chicago, il&q2=plymouth, ma

So given the factor that is a long distance. I am sure the Wayne family is one top 30 wealthiest families in US. So Ras knows the name and since he trying to destory the city through economics by making the city go through a depression. Thomas has tried to stop the rise in crime. Thomas did know not Ras at all. But there paths crossed. Ras first plan was destroy the city in the shadows. In the BB he went to the city.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

I would actually love to see that kind of a scene, just because it'd be between Linus Roache and Liam Neeson. There's just something about them that makes me think they'd play really well off each other.

 

[redhawk23]

^ Would such a flashback scene involve Neeson, or would it involve the actor that's actually already cast as the young Ras? I mean it'd be a 20 year gap or so right? Why wouldn't Ras be 20 years younger than Neeson?

 

[Frontier]

I doubt such was intended from the get go, but would I be shocked if it turns out there was a connection? No.