Rate MAN OF STEEL......once and for all

[The Batman]

It's a poll, maybe more people voted. You're letting you're own opinion get in the way.

LOL, the irony.

 

[Infinight888]

He is cautious, even in that maybe line there is hesitance. He doesn't forbid him from saving people. He keeps telling him there will come a time when the world is ready for him. Even Glenn Ford's Jon Kent and John Schneider's version gave Clark a hard time for using his powers at times. It's nothing nee for the character. Theres always been a caution there. The only time Jonathan truly puts the breaks on is when his own life is at stake because he knows Clark's secret is more important than his own life.

Clark was a child that saved the lives of twenty other kids, many being his classmates, and his father expressed nothing but disappointment at him for using his powers. Jonathan didn't need to forbid Clark from saving people, because his attitude said it all.

Jonathan was clearly a good man, but he was not the inspiration he should have been. He taught Clark to hold back his powers. He encouraged Clark to stand back and let others be the heroes, because he believed that Clark keeping his secret was more important than any lives Clark could save.

As such, Clark became a hero in spite of, not because of, his father's teachings.

 

[Rekall101]

You just proved my point its your perception of, the core characterstics are there whether you choose to see them or not. He is selfless, heroic and caring, right there 3 traits that are all Superman and always have been.

But it wasn't a matter of choice. I wanted to love this film, I wanted it to great and I was so disappointed when it wasn't. And yes, it was because i didn't perceive those characteristics to be there. You did perceive them to be there so you enjoyed the film. In the end, the way in which we perceive things is how we form our opinions. In the end everything is good or bad depending on how you perceive it

 

[Human Torch]

Yeah,it's entirely possible a group of about 50 lurkers were such MOS fans,that they couldn't hold back any longer,but joined SHH just to vote in this poll.

 

[Rodrigo90]

There's no sarcasm about it...It's very real and very true

 

[The Question]

The fact that people like this film makes total sense to me, but the fact that there are people who love and defend it as if it was a life changing moviegoing experience for them baffles me completely.

 

[Visualiza]

The fact that people like this film makes total sense to me, but the fact that there are people who love and defend it as if it was a life changing moviegoing experience for them baffles me completely.

Indeed, and it got out of hand a loooooooooooong time ago. Those particular types are very reminiscent of cult members. If you don't follow the dogma, you're an evil blasphemer (hater, troll, Donner-lover, etc.) that must be expunged from this community. I have to wonder, who on these boards that doesn't like this movie hasn't been labeled a troll?

For as much as they like to champion the idea that their opinions should be respected and dignified, the stans for this movie sure do like to rationalize and invalidate even the mildest of critics.

 

[Marvin]

The fact that people like this film makes total sense to me, but the fact that there are people who love and defend it as if it was a life changing moviegoing experience for them baffles me completely.

The 'fact' that the opposite exists, that a decent movie can be so hated and endlessly complained about is also baffling. I would at least imagine it would be forgotten as many have been before. I often times think the ones whom really really hate this picture(you see them frequent various talkbalk sections) are most interesting.

I personally haven't encountered all that many people defend the film as a live changing anything tbh. That being said, if there are people that feel that way about the or a film...I would imagine that speaks for itself. Of course that is, if one deems such a thing possible. There does tend to be rules about which films can and cannot speak to people/individuals.

 

[Marvin]

Clark was a child that saved the lives of twenty other kids, many being his classmates, and his father expressed nothing but disappointment at him for using his powers. Jonathan didn't need to forbid Clark from saving people, because his attitude said it all.

Jonathan was clearly a good man, but he was not the inspiration he should have been. He taught Clark to hold back his powers. He encouraged Clark to stand back and let others be the heroes, because he believed that Clark keeping his secret was more important than any lives Clark could save.

As such, Clark became a hero in spite of, not because of, his father's teachings.

I'm curious of your thoughts as to why...

 

[Flint Marko]

Actually we have no idea what he can do at that age save for strength, heat vision and x-ray vision. We don't know if he has speed or can leap at all. You can't say he could have found a way as he's not an experienced Superman yet or for that matter even an adult.

Also for all Jonathan knows the twister may have been enough to kill Clark.

We watched him as a boy drag a bus through a river and save everyone from drowning, I'm sure a tornado as a young adult wouldn't have been much different.

Indeed, and it got out of hand a loooooooooooong time ago. Those particular types are very reminiscent of cult members. If you don't follow the dogma, you're an evil blasphemer (hater, troll, Donner-lover, etc.) that must be expunged from this community. I have to wonder, who on these boards that doesn't like this movie hasn't been labeled a troll?

For as much as they like to champion the idea that their opinions should be respected and dignified, the stans for this movie sure do like to rationalize and invalidate even the mildest of critics.

Just this week I got into a debate about MoS with some people here in another thread. Instead of addressing my criticisms and arguments, they literally said that I had an "agenda" because I've got some MCU stuff in my signature.
Blows my mind. I've been here 8 years and I have yet to see a movie fire people up as much as MoS.

 

[SiegePerilous]

Clark lived a life of constantly hiding who he was, with his father even suggesting that he should have let a bus full of kids drown in order to preserve his secret. Then his father died right in front of him. It was anything but a normal life, and we have no idea how that might have affected him.

Moreover, we know from the beginning that this is a "gritty" interpretation of Superman. We can guess that he doesn't kill because he doesn't in the source material, we can guess he doesn't kill because the average person is against it, but these are not things that are actually stated about his character. We don't even know that Zod was the first person he killed, and are left to infer that by his reaction afterwards.

The thing is, Superman killing somebody was the closest thing to a "plot twist" in the whole movie. It was supposed to be the scene that showed Superman breaking his moral code to protect innocent lives. The problem is that his moral code was never put in place to begin with, something which you would think should have happened in a film which felt the need to show a flashback of him fighting with bullies in school.

We only got a few flashback scenes to Clark's childhood. "Normal" probably wasn't the right word, but I don't think it was the oppressive nightmare show some make it out to be either. We have the scene of him playing in his cape, for example, and who knows what else. It wasn't perfect, but what child has a perfect childhood? The "let the kids drown" statement has been debated to death; Jonathan clearly doesn't mean it, and Clark clearly knows he's full of crap, so I don't see the issue. It's just a father being presented with a less than ideal situation, and not having an easy answer.

We know Zod is the first person Clark has ever killed, and not just due to his reaction. If he was leaving behind a trail of dead bodies, Lois would have turned it up in her investigation. Unless Man of Murder is really good at hiding the corpses.

I don't view the neck snap scene as being a "plot twist." The film has no reason to establish Clark having a moral code against killing his enemies in defense of innocents because he's never been in that situation before. For all intents and purposes, this scene is the one that establishes his code for his future character arc. While judging MoS as a stand alone film, I agree that having a scene where he reflects on it afterward could have helped tremendously. But I don't think Clark coming up with that code out of the blue beforehand, before he has any idea his life will take that turn, would be natural in any way.

How does dealing with childhood bullies prepare someone for killing a terrorist before he fries a family

 

[Rodrigo90]

We only got a few flashback scenes to Clark's childhood. "Normal" probably wasn't the right word, but I don't think it was the oppressive nightmare show some make it out to be either. We have the scene of him playing in his cape, for example, and who knows what else. It wasn't perfect, but what child has a perfect childhood? The "let the kids drown" statement has been debated to death; Jonathan clearly doesn't mean it, and Clark clearly knows he's full of crap, so I don't see the issue. It's just a father being presented with a less than ideal situation, and not having an easy answer.

We know Zod is the first person Clark has ever killed, and not just due to his reaction. If he was leaving behind a trail of dead bodies, Lois would have turned it up in her investigation. Unless Man of Murder is really good at hiding the corpses.

I don't view the neck snap scene as being a "plot twist." The film has no reason to establish Clark having a moral code against killing his enemies in defense of innocents because he's never been in that situation before. For all intents and purposes, this scene is the one that establishes his code for his future character arc. While judging MoS as a stand alone film, I agree that having a scene where he reflects on it afterward could have helped tremendously. But I don't think Clark coming up with that code out of the blue beforehand, before he has any idea his life will take that turn, would be natural in any way.

How does dealing with childhood bullies prepare someone for killing a terrorist before he fries a family

That wasn't the purpose of the flashaback...

My interpretation is that it demonstrates all the years Clark was bullied, all his hate and anger have been building up inside of him. He wanted to beat the bullies as a kid, but couldn't. So all his pent up rage blew over, he snapped and killed Zod, because Zod was just another bully that was about to hurt people who didn't deserve such callous treatment...and he'll go onto kill more and more, the bodies will litter the streets and the drains will fill with blood...

 

[SiegePerilous]

That wasn't the purpose of the flashaback...

My interpretation is that it demonstrates all the years Clark was bullied, all his hate and anger have been building up inside of him. He wanted to beat the bullies as a kid, but couldn't. So all his pent up rage blew over, he snapped and killed Zod, because Zod was just another bully that was about to hurt people who didn't deserve such callous treatment...and he'll go onto kill more and more, the bodies will litter the streets and the drains will fill with blood...

I know that wasn't the point of that flashback. Honestly, I don't think there is meant to be any specific connection between those two scenes.

 

[Flint Marko]

I know that wasn't the point of that flashback. Honestly, I don't think there is meant to be any specific connection between those two scenes.

I still don't quite understand the non-sequential storytelling and how it works within the narrative as a whole. I kind of suspect there really isn't a purpose.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The flashabacks were utilised in a lazy way of storytelling. To fill the first half of the movie, so that we could get to the next action packed hour and a half, as that doesn't really need any of sort of decent narrative.

 

[Boy Scout]

Clark was a child that saved the lives of twenty other kids, many being his classmates, and his father expressed nothing but disappointment at him for using his powers. Jonathan didn't need to forbid Clark from saving people, because his attitude said it all.

Jonathan was clearly a good man, but he was not the inspiration he should have been. He taught Clark to hold back his powers. He encouraged Clark to stand back and let others be the heroes, because he believed that Clark keeping his secret was more important than any lives Clark could save.

As such, Clark became a hero in spite of, not because of, his father's teachings.

This guy gets it.

 

[Eirrinn]

Average.
Like a rice cracker with some caramel on it. On one hand it has some sweet moments but deep inside its just a plain rice cracker that tastes like cardboard.

 

[Flint Marko]

Average.
Like a rice cracker with some caramel on it. On one hand it has some sweet moments but deep inside its just a plain rice cracker that tastes like cardboard.

That's strikingly accurate lol. Welcome to the hype.

 

[flickchick85]

Average.
Like a rice cracker with some caramel on it. On one hand it has some sweet moments but deep inside its just a plain rice cracker that tastes like cardboard.

Excellent first post. Welcome!

 

[Eirrinn]

Excellent first post. Welcome!

Haha thanks :>

 

[BH/HHH]

Clark was a child that saved the lives of twenty other kids, many being his classmates, and his father expressed nothing but disappointment at him for using his powers. Jonathan didn't need to forbid Clark from saving people, because his attitude said it all.

Jonathan was clearly a good man, but he was not the inspiration he should have been. He taught Clark to hold back his powers. He encouraged Clark to stand back and let others be the heroes, because he believed that Clark keeping his secret was more important than any lives Clark could save.

As such, Clark became a hero in spite of, not because of, his father's teachings.

Disappointment? He was convicted hence the maybe line.

Not the inspiration? Going back for the dig wasn't heroic?

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

 

[BH/HHH]

We watched him as a boy drag a bus through a river and save everyone from drowning, I'm sure a tornado as a young adult wouldn't have been much different.

That's just you making asumptions, pulling a bus out of the water is completely different to a twister which is a force to be reckoned with. I suppose you thought in SRs lifting a growing island of Kryptonite was the sane as landing a moving plane.

The 'fact' that the opposite exists, that a decent movie can be so hated and endlessly complained about is also baffling. I would at least imagine it would be forgotten as many have been before. I often times think the ones whom really really hate this picture(you see them frequent various talkbalk sections) are most interesting.

I personally haven't encountered all that many people defend the film as a live changing anything tbh. That being said, if there are people that feel that way about the or a film...I would imagine that speaks for itself. Of course that is, if one deems such a thing possible. There does tend to be rules about which films can and cannot speak to people/individuals.

Exactly my thoughts, the ones that hate it get as defensive as the ones that love it.

 

[BH/HHH]

The flashabacks were utilised in a lazy way of storytelling. To fill the first half of the movie, so that we could get to the next action packed hour and a half, as that doesn't really need any of sort of decent narrative.

They were used like a COMIC BOOK (shocking isn't it that a CBMS would do that ) and for me it worked perfectly. It was the same in Batman Begins. They showed you the bits you needed.

 

[Zionite1]

Sigh.I created this thread to have an accurate poll of peoples opinions on this board.But it looks suspiciously that someone has created mutiple accounts to vote.This is ridiculous.

If there are any mods around please look into this!

 

[BH/HHH]

Sigh.I created this thread to have an accurate poll of peoples opinions on this board.But it looks suspiciously that someone has created mutiple accounts to vote.This is ridiculous.

If there are any mods around please look into this!

I'm not sure they can but had you made the poll so you could see who voted you may have been able to tell. Problem is even if you start a new one with a new poll where you can view who has voted then it will probably have the same problem.