Raven: An In-Depth and Lengthy Analysis on the Most Important Teen Titan

[TalonTheater]

**Spoilers of The New Teen Titans and The Teen Titans III appear in this article.**

Raven: An In-Depth and Lengthy Analysis on the Most Important Teen Titan

“The New Teen Titans was always the story of Raven - a young, frightened girl, born of rape, forced to live apart from others, trained from birth to master her emotions while living in a world of ever-invading emotions. She was the daughter of the devil, and the devil was buried deep inside her. If she let herself surrender to her ever-hidden feelings, the devil would be reborn and she would bring about a hell on Earth. Not a legacy most of us would long for.”

- Marv Wolfman

Marv Wolfman offered a one-paragraph description of Raven when The Terror Trigon trade paperback was released in 2003. It was the baseline of her nature; a quick way to define Raven.

This doesn’t sound like a description of the Raven we see today. A quick summary of the two characters (by two characters, I mean Marv Wolfman’s Raven and Geoff Johns’ Raven) proceeds this paragraph.

The Wolf’s Raven

Raven burst into The New Teen Titans seemingly as an intelligent character who was able to join the second incarnation of the Teen Titans together because of her foresight and knowledge of psychology. Eventually, Wolfman and Perez developed her persona further to reveal more character traits such as timidness, self-consciousness, and grace, as well as being in a constant battle with herself. Tales of the New Teen Titans #2 explained even more about Raven’s history and personality, which was, at that point, a sad story indeed. The other Titans tried to reach out to her only to be refused out of kindness. She didn’t want to trouble anybody else with her problems, which led to her undoing. Above all, she was a pacifist empath.

Later, when she died (presumably) in TNTT #4-5, and reentered the comic in #28, we found her to have been cleansed of her father’s influence of her soul, this time exploring the wonderful new world (to Raven) of emotion. She was Learning to Live, and during this stage of her life she was the happiest she had ever been, and the reader felt that as well. She went to college. She fell in love to be let down, once out of misunderstanding of emotion, the other out of her quickness to trust, another trait that made this character unique. Regardless, she was happy.

However, this bliss was cut short during the incident where Jericho was possessed (which happened as a result of his using his abilities to possess Raven during TNTT #1; funny old world, ain’t it) and was written out of the comic in the 70’s of the volume. She made appearances briefly as a golden spirit later, in TNTT #130 and The Titans #9, acting the same way she was during her short life without demonic influence.

Johns’ Incarnation

In the current run of Teen Titans, Raven was given a new body by the latest Brother Blood. For the first few issues, Raven acted, well, like Raven. Her overbearing self-consciousness could still be seen, and she still cared for her teammates more than herself.

This was not to last.

As time went by, Johns’ Raven started acting differently, and not in ways one would expect a veteran team member to act. She got angry with teammates (which she only did when not acting on her own accord in TNTT), her proper grammar was gone, and she had her IQ lowered by about 30. She started a relationship with Changeling, created an alias, started going to high school, and was rarely involved with the team’s activities. The rest of this article will cover what happened during this time.

The Relationship

Garfield Logan and Raven are an unlikely match; but not in the way that you would expect them to come together eventually. In the entirety of The New Teen Titans (both volumes), they only acknowledge each other’s existence through dialogue about 10 times; and never to each other.

That being said, it’s not a bad idea. It’s difficult to tell what they thought of each other during the New Titans, so any writer would have a clean slate to work with.

The problem was in how it happens. All of a sudden, randomly, Raven goes up and kisses Gar, with no backing story to it, no rhyme or reason. Johns has said he’s been “leading us up to it,” but there are too few examples of this, and they’re so miniscule that it’s hard to see them or care about them. Some little things I’ve found:

- In Keystone City during Titans Tomorrow, Gar carries Raven in one frame. Wow.
- Changeling shouts “Raven!” every time she gets attacked (which is too often). Wow again.
- Their eye colors match, a la The Mighty Ducks. Yeah, I got nothing.

The Costume

To be fair, it’s not a bad-looking costume. The problem lies in what the costume means.

The first time Raven ever wore pants was during an invasion of Brother Blood’s church. She told Donna she was uncomfortable. Understandable. I wouldn’t be used to wearing a kilt the second time I wore one. She must’ve been wearing pants to school all the time to get used to them; therefore, this is acceptable.

But then there’s that random nonsense gem belt the designer stole from the animated series. Marv Wolfman, if you’re reading this, you’re going to have to explain that during the Raven mini, because it has to mean something.

The Dialogue

Let’s get one thing straight: Geoff Johns has no idea how to write dialogue for Raven. Most of the dialogue he’s written her has been imbued a sarcastic, annoying-teenager sound, and no longer does she speak with proper english. I’ve compiled a list of the worst travesties:

“Prepare....to scream.” (Issue 16, pg. 10) - You can count the number of one-liners Raven’s said on your...oh wait, there weren’t any. Before this, that is. Not only does this show she is, for some unexplained reason, not a pacifist anymore (not the way to go), this went against pretty much everything the old Raven would have done.

“That green guy is an ass.” (TT/Legion crossover- pg. 9) - I don’t know who to blame for this, as it was a Titans-Legion special, but someone needs to do a little more research. Do peaceful, loving people say stuff like this?

“Get out of my room!” (Issue 20, pg. 8) - Screeeeeeech. There are too many things wrong with this entire scene for me to say right here, so I’ll just glance the top.

A. She’s attacking a teammate? Granted, everyone’s wanted to smack Changeling before, but this is just silly. Raven would never do this. Once again, at her core, she is a pacifist empath. I’ve been told they don’t do stuff like this. B. Is this showing how Johns has been “bringing them together?” I can tell Raven absolutely adores Changeling from this scene. Also, let’s all have a collective laugh at “Rachel Roth.” She didn’t need an alias back when she went to college, why does she now?

“Hey!” (Issue 21, pg. 21) - (In response to Dr. Light - “when my self-confidence was reduced to that of a teenage girl.”) Comic relief or no, this is a fine example of butchering a character. Besides, she’s not a teenager; and when she was she didn’t have any confidence anyway.

“I don’t do cheers.” (Issue 23, 8th last page) - Was Johns mimicking the TV show’s incarnation of Raven, the gothic industrial-metal type? To put it simply: No cookie for Geoff. Bad, bad Geoff.

“Lilith, wake up!” (Issue 30, pg. 4) - This is what I meant when I said Johns dumbed down Raven’s intelligence. Later Raven herself explains that the bodies had no soul; what told her that later, as opposed to her not knowing that at the time she said this? The rest of this dialogue bubble is pretty bad, too.

“Did he just point at Superman?” (Issue 33, pg. 20) - Rule of thumb: If the word “dude” could be used before, after, or anywhere in Raven’s dialogue, it’s not Raven. “Dude, I’m gonna heal you, k man?” Raven is not a skater, surfer, or stoner; don’t force that kind of speech into her.

You can see where I’m going with this.

The Conclusion (and what lies ahead)

“Of all the Titans I co-created, Raven has always been my favorite. She was the character where the circumstances of her very birth created endless conflict. Because she had to be emotionless, she was the most emotion-filled. I felt for her more than any of the others because she needed me, as the writer, to care the most. That’s not a joke. Characters become very real, and we creators have to help them grow as if they were real. We cared about her but we were also frightened by her. The now overused cliché, ‘Be afraid, be very afraid,’ says it all when talking about Raven.” - Marv Wolfman

I think it’s about time Geoff Johns started caring about how he (mis)uses Raven. It’s obvious that the comic is no longer about Raven; but it’s one thing to go your own direction with a group or character, it’s something completely different to utterly destroy one. Some quick points:

- Seeing as Raven is an intelligent veteran team member, the “caring mentor” role would suit well. Not the “I’m trying to fit in with these kids so I can finally feel accepted” role. She already is accepted.
- Why is she going to high school? She was going to college a few years ago.
- Writers, stop looking for ways to cut Raven out of the story completely. During the fight against Luthor in “The Insiders,” she was sending her soul-self at Luthor in one frame, then she doesn’t show up until the next issue. What happened? What could Luthor have done against a soul-self? That should’ve been the end of him right there. Also, during the Robin issues integrated into “Life and Death,” she can’t go because “the world of magic is changing.” She can’t go against Doctor Register because Vic sends her off to help Changeling. When will it end? If you don’t know how to write a character, seriously, send her off somewhere else.

This is one reason you can’t have an aggressive Raven. Plot-wise, it’s horrible. The internet word “imba” comes to mind (imbalanced, for us proper folk). Until Raven is fixed, writers are going to keep coming up with bad excuses for not giving her any action.

(Almost) anyone can write for Raven. Just follow the simple rules outlined and insinuated in this article and there you have a comic. Someone needs to bring some dignity back into this character; and hopefully I, or any other fan doesn’t have to go to work at DC just to do it.

Talon

Note: For the record, I did come up with the name Talon before I saw Johns was going to use it as a future Teen Titan.

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** End of spoilers **

 

[TalonTheater]

On a side note, just know that this article was first "published" on September 1, 2006. My opinions and views have changed on a few issues since then, but the general gist of the article holds up.

 

[Purple Man]

Raven is one of my favorite characters in any incarnation, but this article came across as a bit too whiney for my tastes.

She was reborn into a younger body, this could have changed Raven on many different levels. She's growing up again with a new set of Titans. One can expect her to act a little differently.

And anyways, Raven is in good hands with Geoff Johns, he has been faithful to all the Titans, and wouldn't let Raven get tossed aside.

Marv Wolfman created her, and Geoff Johns brought her into the next generation.

Between Titans and her upcoming mini series, it's the best time to be a fan of Raven since her New Teen Titans days.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

most important? no. cool? sure.

 

[Tropico]

I think the way Geoff has written the re-introduction of the character has clearly explained why she isn't the same as she was before. I understand your love for the character, but this isn't the Raven of old; even her powers have changed. You (TalonTheater) bash the writers for "cutting off Raven from the story" but also tell them to "send her off if you don't know how to writer her". Do you really expect an explanation for the costume changes and accesories she's using? That seems as bit...overtly thourough, IMO. From your article I see you have a fair grasp of the character in the begining, but it kinda looks like you haven't really looked at her after her revival, IMO.

 

[Crowforge]

She could be so much cooler without her attachment to the teen titans, (how is she still a teen?, oh right the dieing) that cartoon influence (yucky belt), and all those relationships.

 

[Purple Man]

Not the best costume, but it's decent enough to keep around. I like the idea of super heroes changing their costumes. I know they're supposed to be iconic, but I'm sure they would get bored of wearing the same thing.

The original costume for Raven is still great, but still nothing really that special. I find no fault in switching it up a bit. I like her new darker look. Leave the exposed legs for the other super heroines.

 

[TalonTheater]

Raven is one of my favorite characters in any incarnation, but this article came across as a bit too whiney for my tastes.

She was reborn into a younger body, this could have changed Raven on many different levels. She's growing up again with a new set of Titans. One can expect her to act a little differently.

That's no excuse. Her core personality has changed completely. Which is derived from a character's soul, not a new body or anything.

And anyways, Raven is in good hands with Geoff Johns, he has been faithful to all the Titans, and wouldn't let Raven get tossed aside.

Well that's my point. He hasn't been faithful to all of the old Titans. That was the point of the article.

Marv Wolfman created her, and Geoff Johns brought her into the next generation.

Between Titans and her upcoming mini series, it's the best time to be a fan of Raven since her New Teen Titans days.

Well, yeah, because she hasn't been written at all (sans the "Legends of DC" issue) since those days.

Thank GOD the mini is going to be written by Wolfman.

 

[TalonTheater]

I think the way Geoff has written the re-introduction of the character has clearly explained why she isn't the same as she was before. I understand your love for the character, but this isn't the Raven of old; even her powers have changed. You (TalonTheater) bash the writers for "cutting off Raven from the story" but also tell them to "send her off if you don't know how to writer her". Do you really expect an explanation for the costume changes and accesories she's using? That seems as bit...overtly thourough, IMO. From your article I see you have a fair grasp of the character in the begining, but it kinda looks like you haven't really looked at her after her revival, IMO.

I've analyzed it down to the very syllable of dialogue, Tropico. I've analyzed her third life even more than her first two. And, as is obvious, I find it extremely substandard, especially for an author of Geoff Johns' reputation.

GJ can write a kickass plot consistantly, but if he doesn't feel like going to any length to examine one's character, he won't.

 

[TalonTheater]

Why is she grey in that picture?

The gem belt and "raven crest" on her chest are completely over-the-top. The gem belt just plainly looks stupid (not to mention it was lifted from the cartoon), and the raven crest just makes her like every other female character in the DCU. They don't all need crests on their breasts, you know.

 

[Tropico]

I've analyzed it down to the very syllable of dialogue, Tropico. I've analyzed her third life even more than her first two. And, as is obvious, I find it extremely substandard, especially for an author of Geoff Johns' reputation.

GJ can write a kickass plot consistantly, but if he doesn't feel like going to any length to examine one's character, he won't.

Why is it substandard? Bercause she's not a carbon copy of herself? It seems to me like your detailed analysis is of what she isn't and you've missed the character she is now. Like I said before, many of your comments had explanations as to their reason of being in the comic. It just seems like you don't like how they revived Raven this time.
Considering the way she was revived and her current body, to me it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't act like she did before.

 

[The Question]

The Dialogue

Let’s get one thing straight: Geoff Johns has no idea how to write dialogue for Raven. Most of the dialogue he’s written her has been imbued a sarcastic, annoying-teenager sound, and no longer does she speak with proper english. I’ve compiled a list of the worst travesties:

Alright. Let's see 'em.

“Prepare....to scream.” (Issue 16, pg. 10) - You can count the number of one-liners Raven’s said on your...oh wait, there weren’t any. Before this, that is. Not only does this show she is, for some unexplained reason, not a pacifist anymore (not the way to go), this went against pretty much everything the old Raven would have done.

How? She has the power to show people the true nature of their inner darkness. Her powers could and did mess people up considerably.

“That green guy is an ass.” (TT/Legion crossover- pg. 9) - I don’t know who to blame for this, as it was a Titans-Legion special, but someone needs to do a little more research. Do peaceful, loving people say stuff like this?

Yes. I consider myself quite peaceful and loving, and I say ass rather frequently.

“Get out of my room!” (Issue 20, pg. 8) - Screeeeeeech. There are too many things wrong with this entire scene for me to say right here, so I’ll just glance the top.

A. She’s attacking a teammate? Granted, everyone’s wanted to smack Changeling before, but this is just silly. Raven would never do this. Once again, at her core, she is a pacifist empath. I’ve been told they don’t do stuff like this. B. Is this showing how Johns has been “bringing them together?” I can tell Raven absolutely adores Changeling from this scene.

She had gone insane, ruined her friends' lives, and been resurected as a **** puppet for a vampiric teenage cult leader. It's very safe to assume that she'd be quite pissed after that.

Also, let’s all have a collective laugh at “Rachel Roth.” She didn’t need an alias back when she went to college, why does she now?

Why not? There's nothing wrong with it.

“Hey!” (Issue 21, pg. 21) - (In response to Dr. Light - “when my self-confidence was reduced to that of a teenage girl.”) Comic relief or no, this is a fine example of butchering a character. Besides, she’s not a teenager; and when she was she didn’t have any confidence anyway.

1) It's hardly butchering her character.

2) People aged past their teen years say hey.

3) It doesn't show that she has confidence issues at all. SImply that she felt insulted.

“I don’t do cheers.” (Issue 23, 8th last page) - Was Johns mimicking the TV show’s incarnation of Raven, the gothic industrial-metal type? To put it simply: No cookie for Geoff. Bad, bad Geoff.

1) Since when was TV Raven industrial metal.

2) What the hell's wrong with this line? Raven doesn't do cheers. She is informing this little fact to whoever made the undoubtably stupid suggestion of it.

“Lilith, wake up!” (Issue 30, pg. 4) - This is what I meant when I said Johns dumbed down Raven’s intelligence. Later Raven herself explains that the bodies had no soul; what told her that later, as opposed to her not knowing that at the time she said this? The rest of this dialogue bubble is pretty bad, too.

Obviously, she hadn't figured out that they were just zombies until later.

“Did he just point at Superman?” (Issue 33, pg. 20) - Rule of thumb: If the word “dude” could be used before, after, or anywhere in Raven’s dialogue, it’s not Raven. “Dude, I’m gonna heal you, k man?” Raven is not a skater, surfer, or stoner; don’t force that kind of speech into her.

Okay, that is one of the stupidest arguements I've heard. That does not make her sound like a skater, surfer, or stoner at all. Yes, you can put dude before that sentance. And, if Johns had, there's be reason to complain. But he didn't.

You can see where I’m going with this.

Not really, no. Listen, I hate Johns' TT myself. But for rather rational reasons.

 

[explode7]

Raven is the most powerfull Titan right?

 

[Crowforge]

Well she has the most powerful spin-off potential...
Can I just have one female character that doesn't fall in love?

 

[TalonTheater]

Why is it substandard? Bercause she's not a carbon copy of herself?

Believe it or not, people tend to act like themselves. Change is fine an' dandy, but radical changes like these implemented this fast is just bad writing. Heck, most of the things GJ Raven is are things MW Raven would never become, no matter how much time was given.

How? She has the power to show people the true nature of their inner darkness. Her powers could and did mess people up considerably.

"Prepare to scream." Not only does it sound more like she's going to gut somebody, it's just an utterly stupid line.

Yes. I consider myself quite peaceful and loving, and I say ass rather frequently.

You're missing the point. She's always been a quiet person, why speak up only to be insulting?

She had gone insane, ruined her friends' lives, and been resurected as a **** puppet for a vampiric teenage cult leader. It's very safe to assume that she'd be quite pissed after that.

What? Firstly, this was weeks after she was resurrected and years after her second death. She wasn't even in the least bit annoyed then.

Why not? There's nothing wrong with it.

This is one of those things I've changed my opinion of since the article. Would've helped if GJ had actually explained it in a comic, though. :/

1) It's hardly butchering her character.

2) People aged past their teen years say hey.

Ohhhhh, now I get it.

It's a kind of speech that's completely foreign to her. Another big issue most Raven fans have with GJ's writing is the lack of her old, more formal, speech.

3) It doesn't show that she has confidence issues at all. Simply that she felt insulted.

Comic relief.

1) Since when was TV Raven industrial metal.

Since it started...?

2) What the hell's wrong with this line? Raven doesn't do cheers. She is informing this little fact to whoever made the undoubtably stupid suggestion of it.

In what way is it a stupid suggestion?

Okay, that is one of the stupidest arguements I've heard. That does not make her sound like a skater, surfer, or stoner at all. Yes, you can put dude before that sentance. And, if Johns had, there's be reason to complain. But he didn't.

It implies something along the lines of "that's not cool" or "whoa, look at that."

I don't think it's that far-fetched of an opinion that Geoff Johns has no concecption of how to write dialogue for Raven.

 

[Darthphere]

Talon has a hard on for Raven. LAWL!

 

[The Question]

You're missing the point. She's always been a quiet person, why speak up only to be insulting?

Why not? Many quiet people tend to speak up only when they want someone else to stop talking.

What? Firstly, this was weeks after she was resurrected and years after her second death. She wasn't even in the least bit annoyed then.

You seem to be missing the point here: She went insane, ruined her friends lives, died, and was brought back to life as a creepy teenage vampire cuilt leader's **** puppet. SHe'd be ****ing traumatized. You don't get over that in a week.

This is one of those things I've changed my opinion of since the article. Would've helped if GJ had actually explained it in a comic, though. :/

It's not really a big deal.

It's a kind of speech that's completely foreign to her.

No, it's not. I'm fairly certain she's heard people say "hey" before.

Another big issue most Raven fans have with GJ's writing is the lack of her old, more formal, speech.

I still don't see how that's a huge deal. Maybe, as she got older, she felt that her old, quasi shakesperean way of talking sounded rather pretentious.

Comic relief.

That really isn't a response to what I said. You still haven't said how it shows that she's insecure.

Since it started...?

No, she hasn't.

In what way is it a stupid suggestion?

In what way is asking someone to cheer not a stupid suggestion?

It implies something along the lines of "that's not cool" or "whoa, look at that."

No, it doesn't. It implies that she's surprised that someone is confronting Superman in a certain way.

I don't think it's that far-fetched of an opinion that Geoff Johns has no concecption of how to write dialogue for Raven.

It is far fetched to say that that line makes her sound like a stoner.

 

[Tropico]

Believe it or not, people tend to act like themselves. Change is fine an' dandy, but radical changes like these implemented this fast is just bad writing. Heck, most of the things GJ Raven is are things MW Raven would never become, no matter how much time was given.

She was dead. She was revived as something she wasn't without the benefit of Azarathian training to overcome/repress her emotions. Blood didn't make her to be the quiet, reserved person she was; she was brought back for her demonic side. When she was finally in control of herself she didn't remember things clearly, she was with a totally different set of Titans, she lives in a different time, she has a younger body, her powers are different in a way that even she doesn't understand them. Can you say trauma? Can you say 'new lease on life'? Radical changes of exterior factors aren't going to radically change you? You'd be surprised.

Geoff isn't writing any of the Titans exactly as they were before. Not Starfire. Not Cyborg. Not Beast Boy. And certainly not Rave who has the most reason to act differently. If you can't still see the reasons why the character has changed then it's because you're looking without observing.

 

[Darthphere]

She was dead. She was revived as something she wasn't without the benefit of Azarathian training to overcome/repress her emotions. Blood didn't make her to be the quiet, reserved person she was; she was brought back for her demonic side. When she was finally in control of herself she didn't remember things clearly, she was with a totally different set of Titans, she lives in a different time, she has a younger body, her powers are different in a way that even she doesn't understand them. Can you say trauma? Can you say 'new lease on life'? Radical changes of exterior factors aren't going to radically change you? You'd be surprised.

Geoff isn't writing any of the Titans exactly as they were before. Not Starfire. Not Cyborg. Not Beast Boy. And certainly not Rave who has the most reason to act differently. If you can't still see the reasons why the character has changed then it's because you're looking without observing.

That is some deep stuff.

 

[TalonTheater]

She was dead. She was revived as something she wasn't without the benefit of Azarathian training to overcome/repress her emotions. Blood didn't make her to be the quiet, reserved person she was; she was brought back for her demonic side. When she was finally in control of herself she didn't remember things clearly, she was with a totally different set of Titans, she lives in a different time, she has a younger body, her powers are different in a way that even she doesn't understand them. Can you say trauma? Can you say 'new lease on life'? Radical changes of exterior factors aren't going to radically change you? You'd be surprised.

Geoff isn't writing any of the Titans exactly as they were before. Not Starfire. Not Cyborg. Not Beast Boy. And certainly not Rave who has the most reason to act differently. If you can't still see the reasons why the character has changed then it's because you're looking without observing.

New lease on life? This isn't the first time she's been resurrected.

And that "excuse" certainly doesn't work, because for the first few issues, Raven acted, well, like Raven. It did look like GJ had a good concept of who she was and how she'd react. But from about #16-30, it just all came down, for some inexplicable reason. It just doesn't make any sense.

The new Raven is impulsive, aggressive, sarcastic, derisive, and a hundred other things she would never become.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

She's acting different cause Superboy Prime punched a wall......

 

[Kitsune]

If they use resurection as an excuse to completely change the character, they might as well use a different character.

 

[Purple Man]

New lease on life? This isn't the first time she's been resurrected.

And that "excuse" certainly doesn't work, because for the first few issues, Raven acted, well, like Raven. It did look like GJ had a good concept of who she was and how she'd react. But from about #16-30, it just all came down, for some inexplicable reason. It just doesn't make any sense.

The new Raven is impulsive, aggressive, sarcastic, derisive, and a hundred other things she would never become.

Really? You know what she would never become? Someone is forcing her to become what you know is wrong?

You really need to get a grip on reality pal. Geoff Johns is a brilliant writer, and while you may not agree on the brilliant part, we can both agree that he is a writer. The writer of Teen Titans to be exact. So whatever he decides to do with those characters is what they become whether you and your obsession like it or not.

Suprise! She's just a comic book character. Get some real friends and you won't have to worry about them being written beyond your standards.

*sobsob* Dick would never give up being Robin *sob* Wally would never become the Flash *sobsob* Roy did heroin? *sob* Donna still has the most confusing origin ever?

Why? Why!?!?!

That's how you sound, swimming in your stagnant waters. The Titans aren't just about the teens, or the family or whatever else. It's about the evolution of younger heroes.

Raven is actually getting a personality? You should be celebrating.

 

[Kitsune]

Raven is actually getting a personality? You should be celebrating.

Raven had a personality, admitedly she wasn't my favorite, but doing a complete 180 is not character development. What if Marvel decided to make Peter Parker a silent broading moron? Should we cellabrate that? What if DC decided that Superman was a homicidal maniac who loved killing, wouldn't that be a great change.... or what if they turned Hal Jordan into a crazy evil bastard who killed off all the other Green Lanterns, oh wait, they did that last one.

 

[TalonTheater]

Really? You know what she would never become? Someone is forcing her to become what you know is wrong?

You really need to get a grip on reality pal. Geoff Johns is a brilliant writer, and while you may not agree on the brilliant part, we can both agree that he is a writer. The writer of Teen Titans to be exact. So whatever he decides to do with those characters is what they become whether you and your obsession like it or not.

Suprise! She's just a comic book character.

What, so I'm not allowed an opinion? That's stupid.

Get some real friends and you won't have to worry about them being written beyond your standards.

Oh, the ingenious wit. How am I supposed to contend with this?